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| Last Saturday I volunteered to take a veteran fishing on Minnetonka, and excited to do so, until about an hour into it I was cut off by another boat who also volunteered. The distance was no more than 50 yards, and I about lost it. So I left in order to reproup. Just to be cut off again by 2 other boats that day. All of them volunteering and people that I know on a first name basis. I know this discussion comes up every couple of weeks when the season opens, but seroiusly what has happened to common courtesy? I can handle plessure boaters, just because I figure common sense left them years ago, but fellow muskie anglers who are also volunteering towards the same cause?
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Location: brooklyn park mn | I see nothing wrong with making a joking remark to them about how close they are? Sometimes people need to hear that what they are doing isn't ok or proper. Most people I've met don't like confrontation so the next time they may not do it. Not all are doing it cause they don't care, a lot are just plain and simply stupid and have no clue. To the ones who do know better imo the sport could go without them. Takes a special kind of guy to malitiously cut off someone whether they fish for themself or guide. Pathetic but still anoying nonetheless. I have a lake I fish regularly and have been cut off by same couple of boats and had enough and asked them how would they like it if I did to them. Just me saying it tactfully but to the point worked with the two regulars I see out there. They haven't cut me off anymore. Doesn't always work as well. Just my 2 cents |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Oh NO!
Seriously, don't get all bent out of shape about it, especially during an event like that one. I've caught MANY muskies right behind someone who pulled in front of me....just fish. |
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Location: IL | Use their boat as structure, lake a nice lay down for instance. |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Ryan, think about this for a second.
The guy you just got cut off by is not throwing the correct bait, wrong color and not even at the correct depth. Why worry about him?
The guy that just cut you off has very little boat side skills and is not teaching his boat partner correctly. You move in behind him and stick the fish he blew.
The guy that just cut you off is not working the structure the way it should be. You follow up and stick a pig. Show him the pic and then bring up the cut off.
I could go on and on. I live and guide on Pewaukee Lake. It's one of the most over fished lakes I know of. I bet it's about the same as your area lakes. I have stuck fish following 3 or 4 boats deep on some local hot spots. I found out if I got peeed at all the cut offs and fished other spots I would not be hitting the prime spots at the prime times. I have clients catch fish on a regular baisis behind others all the time. More often than not someone that is in front of me will see us catching a fish.
Just fish it!!!
Fish it your way and don't worry about others.
How do you know that boat is actually going to catch the only fish in that area. Heck he could get a fish going and you come up behind him and stuck it. You can't tell me that would not be cool to do. Just fish and enjoy being out on the water.
Once people learn to just fish and don't worry about other boats the fishing seems to get much more fun and you will still catch the same fish or maybe even more because your head is in the game instead of peeed off and fishing some other area because a boat fished your spot already. |
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| Yeah that cut off thing by another musky guy kills me. Earlier this year we were fishing Kinkaid and a guy in an older Lund moves in right in front of us. So close the guy in second base in the boat I was in could cast out in front of theirs. The guy driving even has the nerve to ask "Hows it going?" Turns out he was the head of some big musky group down there. Maybe he thinks he has the right.
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| 50 yards is really not bad. as for muskies we were towing in a buddy and we caught a musky while towing them in. that was 50ft from our boat. muskies are not shy when there hungry |
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| Yeah I would say something to him and just continue to fish. I caught my personal best and this happened. A guy come from anotherake motored right in front of me and started casting. I said something to him and kept fishing. 10 minutes later I had 48" in the net. The guy was peeed and left. Tournaments and events are like that. But you would hope they would have more common sence than that. |
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Location: Northern New Jersey | 50 yards? thats half a lake shore in jersey! hell i normally dont get angry until someone scoots me at about 30 yards. then there is one of two things i do. 1. put on RUSH and sing karaoke. 2. return the favor and buzz in front of them1 |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Juhas - 6/18/2012 4:58 AM
Yeah that cut off thing by another musky guy kills me. Earlier this year we were fishing Kinkaid and a guy in an older Lund moves in right in front of us. So close the guy in second base in the boat I was in could cast out in front of theirs. The guy driving even has the nerve to ask "Hows it going?" Turns out he was the head of some big musky group down there. Maybe he thinks he has the right.
This happened to me and a couple of buddies when we were down there and I suspect it may be the same individual (I know the gentleman's name but due to the rules of this forum, I do not want to post that in a public place). One of the guys in our boat was quite vocal and the guy in the other boat seemed to be un-phased.
Edited by RyanJoz 6/18/2012 7:27 AM
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | I you know them bring it up and make fun of them when you see them. I had some guys from our club do it to me (and admitted they knew they were doing it. After publicly humiliating them about it repeatedly they don't seem to do it anymore. Funny how peer pressure works sometimes. |
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I definatley don't think it's nothing to worry about, or ignore.
If people want to be "that guy", then treat them like "that guy". We as muskie anglers seem to be accepting this behavior rather then condemning it.
As Treats said, mention it in public, make fun of them. It's better then being confrontational and others will help pressure them into having some respect for distance.
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| sworrall - 6/17/2012 11:42 PM Oh NO! Seriously, don't get all bent out of shape about it, especially during an event like that one. I've caught MANY muskies right behind someone who pulled in front of me....just fish. +1 I agree. We as a group (muskie anglers) need to drop the "over-sensitive stuff" and just keep fishing. We all know you can catch fish behind that boat. We are supposed to be ambassadors for the sport, not bad examples of how muskie anglers are over zealous jerks on the water. In addition, this was a volunteer event, what are we telling the novice fishing in the boat with us--more rage on the water is a good thing? Smile, ask them if they are catching anything and then nail one right behind them--that'll be the best revenge. |
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Location: Angola, IN | It's just your attitude. You're letting someting get to you that shouldn't even both you.
Because to be honest, it's a body of water, owned by no one. I think getting upset about someone cutting in front of you is JUST AS RIDICULOUS as the guy who did it. On both ends of the spectrum, both parites have entitlement issues.
And to really clarify things, from my experience, most guys on the water are freaking idiots. Their ignorance is usually not diminished by how many years they have been fishing either. Most guys don't have a clue what they are doing or what they just did or what's proper and what's not. So palerider, don't be upset about it. I think there is a high likelihood that this dude didn't even see you there or didn't know what he was doing was impolite.
Peace.
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Well when you have to deal with a room full of people at a public meeting that are sick of muskie boats running around like everyone else is in the way, maybe you'll realize it isn't something we should just ignore.
Don't we teach our kids to be respectfull hunters? To follow the rules and have ethics?
I'm not suggesting physical or verbal, heated confrontations but to just ignore it doesn't do anybody any good.
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| I fish the same body of "rush-hour" traffic as Mike from Mike's Extreme Guide Service. Obviously, the way we talk about it later is not always "EXACTLY" the same language and emotion that is shared at the precise moment of a totally bone-head move having just been committed....but for the most part, he's totally right, as is Mike Hulbert though for entirely different reasons and mine is a bit different too. While I have no doubt that Hulbert can do it on his water too, I know from years of experience that Koepp is not going to get outfished on Pewaukee Lake except as that rare occassion when it can happen to anybody. And, folks are going to jump all over where ever he is too, so to have any peace in his life...he has to put it aside, even take it as a supreme compliment. Now, for the Junkman, it's no show of respect...people are just being dumb a-holes on a crowded lake. So, I say to myself, "Marty, you are out here to get away from the a-holes in your life, not find more of them!" Therefore, I merely wipe these people out of my life, they are not there, they do not count, I have not allowed their life to touch my life. I try not to look at them, or show them in any way that they have been noticed. I will, however cast at personal watercraft...there is a limit to what a person can stand!!! |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Actually something fun to do is if there's "that guy" on the lake, just follow him around and start doing it to him. The message is usually sent and you may even find some new spots |
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Location: Hudson, WI | Truthfully, on a lake like Tonka, you can't expect to have a spot to yourself. 50 yards is cutting it too close, but on most spots, there are one or two "spot on the spots" that people are going to want to get to. If you're on it, common courtesy would have them pull in behind you. If you're simply working a shoreline, you can't expect the rest of the world to follow in your whore water all day. |
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Location: sneaking out to get on the water ;-) | The other day my son and I were fishing near a guy we know very well.He had a fish on and was having a rough time so we swung over and netted it for him.Got the hooks out and he took the fish from my net and we took a photo for him and headed back to our spot.About 5 min later he motored up in front of us came about 3 feet off the side of us and about 4 feet ahead of our bow and anchored there.Talk about no decencey if my son weren't there it wouldhave gone differentely.What a moron guess who will never lift a hand to help him again!!! Same idiot runs to many rods and fishes before the season is open and shrugs it off saying they can't prove I'm not pike fishing.I wish their was more we could do turning our heads and letting it go seems to make these pieholes do it all the more. Russ |
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| I understand and for the most part it doesn't get to me, but having other muskie inc members pull right in front of me, and straight to the spot on the spot is annoying. I should have stayed and fished right behind them all, hoping to stick one they left behind. Either way, it comes down to ethics, and for me that's just common sense.
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| palerider - 6/18/2012 10:17 AM
I understand and for the most part it doesn't get to me, but having other muskie inc members pull right in front of me, and straight to the spot on the spot is annoying. I should have stayed and fished right behind them all, hoping to stick one they left behind. Either way, it comes down to ethics, and for me that's just common sense.
"Sometimes losing is winning!"
Being a Muskie Inc member does not insure character, it just shows you spent a few dollars to join a club. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | maybe should ask em if they would support a stamp ... that would tell you if they're a good guy or not ... |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | When I am on Tonka I get cut off on a regular basis. I am not sure if it is the fact I am in a smaller boat, or people are just dingholes.
On Sunday morning I was fishing a point and moved a fish around 10am. I kept casting at it in hopes she would come back. As I look to my left there is a GIANT party boat with about 100 people on it heading in to drive between me and shore. There is another guy in a little boat crappie fishing not 60ft from me. This giant boat almost killed him, and of course I did not see that fish for the rest of the day. I really wasn't that far from the point and the fact that the boat came that close to the other guy really, really peeed me off. The captain of the boat even looked over at me and shrugged his shoulders. Said he had no room on the other side of me... as I looked back. if was a good couple hundred yards of empty space.
Tonka is hands down one of the worst lakes for jackasses on the water. There seems to be a new one every time you turn around. Sometimes I can't even stand to be on that lake. Drives me bonkers... But I am trying to not take it so seriously, otherwise I would be peeed every time I was on the water. I just have to start letting stuff go. |
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| 1. Start your motor, go around him, and cut him off, by no more than 20 yards. If he says anything at all, just look over and say "but it's okay when YOU do it?! Who the ____ are YOU?"
2. "Maybe you want to fish IN my boat instead of right in front of it?!"
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Location: Hudson, WI | Two friends and I were working a stretch of shoreline on the Croix once, and there was actually no one around us at all. Most peaceful fishing I've ever had out there. Along comes two dudes trolling down that stretch and yell, "How's the fishing?" Instead of going outside, they troll in between us and the shoreline...with a bunch of docks there, mind you, and we are close enough to cast into shore. Plus, the guy has planer boards out. He suddenly realizes he's going to run his inside line right into the dock and veers even closer to us, overcompensates, throttles down so we can actually push his boat back onto the right line, says "Thanks, guys", and then thunks his other board right off my transom and goes on his merry way.
An entire stretch of river from Stillwater to Prescott and the guy actually hit us with his boat going 3 mph. None of us even said anything for 5 minutes until one of us looks back and says..."Did that really just happen?" |
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| If you want to experience being cut off and getting spots robbed, try fishing tournaments like the WMT or PMTT series ive seen and experienced things during tournament series' you never would expect anyone with common decency to do. Pretty pathetic when it backfires though lol |
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Location: Okoboji | welcome to tonka, hope you had a nice stay |
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| Oh and maybe my remedy for the pleasure boaters (a pounder that was destroyed by fish that i removed hooks from) would work for the real morons. Just a nice toss to their boat side or transom leaving them with a startling KA-PLOOOSH can send a clear message |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | kodiak - 6/18/2012 11:13 AM
welcome to tonka, hope you had a nice stay
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