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Location: wild rose, wi | Is it just me, or do other musky fishermen consider using live bait like suckers and chubs as kind of cheating????? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's just you. |
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| Yes, just you, what is wrong with it? I feel It's just another lure in the water. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | Maybe some do and maybe some don't...it's kinda like the casting vs. trolling debate, everyone has there own preferred method(s) of fishing. For me using live bait is just another tool in the box to get a fish in the boat.
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Location: Oshkosh | ^^^^^ Very well said Matt, and just you.
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| Trolling and live bait are both cheating, and should be legally prohibitted. Hopefully we can get laws passed in the future to ban both methods for muskies. |
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| It's a personal prefference....casting......trolling.....suckers #*#*, some even spear them! |
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Location: N.FIB | is using minnows/worms to catch fish cheating,live bait makes it easier to catch fish,some lakes alot easier and some not much |
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| lets ban fishing all together! holy keerumba.. how long til the season starts in the north country?  |
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Location: NE Wisconsin | As a retired guide once told me, sucker fishing is the only way most fishermen can catch a large muskie. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | FSF is fishing muskies now. He's just....contrary some days. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | If sucker fishing were as simple as putting one on a hook and the muskies rush to them, I might agree. Yes, even the worst fisherman can catch a muskie on a sucker at times, even if they're doing absolutely everything wrong...but then again, we've all seen the video of a monster trying to crush a casted chicken breast. BUT, to sucker fish RIGHT and really work it to it's greatest advantage, thats an art. |
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Location: S.W. WI | I fish to CATCH fish. Sometimes a sucker will help me have a fun day. I personally enjoy catching muskies. Kinda why I go.
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| I guess I dont see the skill in two line live bait fishing,,,has in dragging a sucker behind the boat,,,if your going down a reef or weedline and your 12-15 ft away in the front of the boat slinging a bucktail/topwater/lure and the clicker goes off and you run back and set the hook what skill did you use to trigger that fish, to me it seems like the musky world equiv of "buy one get one free" I realize that it takes skill to play and land the fish but was there any skill in triggering it?? and it isnt the same has trolling where your watching the graph . I can see the skill in fishing two suckers where your devoting your total attention to it but dragging a sucker dosent seem to have alot of skill but more of a bonus app.
Edited by happy hooker 4/23/2012 10:15 AM
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Put simply, fishing with live bait is a sucker on one end of the line, attached to a sucker on the other end.
Is fishing season open for everyone yet??? |
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| hooker, first off, it takes a good deal of skill to rig a sucker in a way that'll consistently yield high hookup percentages and keep the sucker swimming well.
second, there is no mindless dragging of suckers. even one sucker needs a fair amount attention, especially when you're running a foil edge in the metro lakes, and you know this, man!
location, location, location - don't you still have to put a well-rigged sucker in front of an active fish to get bit? does it not take skill to find such locations?
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | And just another thought: if using livebait to catch muskies is cheating...I would think the use of sonar, a gps, hundreds of dollars in rods/reels and ur boat to come to think about it....
Go out in your canoe with a spear or a carved bone hook with hand spun twine and you can then tell me using a sucker is cheating. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Well Said Slamr
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| Slamr - 4/23/2012 10:37 AM
And just another thought: if using livebait to catch muskies is cheating...I would think the use of sonar, a gps, hundreds of dollars in rods/reels and ur boat to come to think about it....
Go out in your canoe with a spear or a carved bone hook with hand spun twine and you can then tell me using a sucker is cheating.
He said as he lit the fuse to the dynamite and threw it in the water...unfortunately there is a continuom of ways to catch them, and folks often want their particular favorite to be legal and NOT morally despicable, however, scientifically it makes no difference how the fish are harvested or damaged and die. So...it then comes down to what exactly are YOUR standards? People keep wanting to add advantages to their side of the game, but, you can add advantages all the way to spearing spawning fish, or netting them on their spring run, or even dynamiting them, so it is really just a case of where you draw the line. Should everything be about making it easier to catch your target fish? Really?? |
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| It is all about making it easier, stocking more fish and using ocean equipment. We are looking for the fish of 10 casts. H |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Homer - 4/23/2012 11:31 AM
It is all about making it easier, stocking more fish and using ocean equipment. We are looking for the fish of 10 casts. H
as long as it's 50" plus with a 26" girth |
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Location: north central wisconsin | jonnysled - 4/23/2012 11:36 AM
Homer - 4/23/2012 11:31 AM
It is all about making it easier, stocking more fish and using ocean equipment. We are looking for the fish of 10 casts. H
as long as it's 50" plus with a 26" girth
Can't use a globe to find it though.. |
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| The guys I've talked to who are against sucker fishing are guys who have no clue how to effectively fish a sucker.
Much like I think that trolling is a "weak" way of catching a muskiy. I can't troll for crap, so I might as well rip on the technique.... And I'm kidding, I don't think that trolling is weak, but I can admit to being quite bad at it. |
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| If sucker fishing is cheating, so is casting a lure that looks like a fish and trying to make that lure behave like a fish, and so is trolling. I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure do not strive to go out there and make it MORE difficult to catch fish. If you want that? Toss your electronics, your polarized glasses, all your lures and tackle, and just use one rod, and one lure. And make it a lure that is difficult to cast, and a lot of work to retrieve. Then, at the end of the day, when you've caught nothing, you can say "Well, at least I wasn't cheating!" |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I don't fish suckers much. In fact, I never have when I am fishing alone. Slamr is pretty good at it, and we lose a fair number anyway. TJ is good at it too, but I have yet to get one on a sucker with him. Lost a big one though.
I fish tip-ups and minnows for crappies too. FSF, you need to move west or south, buy the correct extremely expensive vest and clothing including the proper hat, and become a stream fly rod trout fly tying $1500 wader wearing card carrying snob so I can show up and outfish you using canned corn or Gulp salmon eggs. 
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Location: wild rose, wi | Wow, I knew that I'd touch a few nerves when I posted this thread, but I didn't think it would bring about this many semi-hostile responses. My opionions are mainly for what I enjoy as far as fishing goes. I don't condem anyone for using styles or techniques that I personally don't use, So long as it's legal... My largest musky was caught over 40 yrs. ago on a sucker. My appologies if I offended anyone.. Season is just about on us, so lets all have a great year and have fun fishing, however we enjoy it most... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | bronk - 4/23/2012 12:35 PM
semi-hostile responses...
hang around this place long enough and you'll be able read the message behind the message ...
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Location: Smith Creek | There is a point system for muskies caught, catching a muskie muskie on a sucker counts as .8 of one fish, unless you were trolling the sucker with a guide, in which case you take .8 x .5 (trolling) x .25 (guide) and you end up with .1. Now factor in the fish's origin, stocked or natural, multiply the .1 with .75 for stocked and 1 for natural, multiply by state (.75 for MN and Ontario, .6 for IL, etc.) and finally multiply that by the length of the fish to find out what you "officially" caught.
You may choose not to use this formula but don't come crying when the Muskie Police show up at your door with a warrant.
Edited by Flambeauski 4/23/2012 1:32 PM
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| jonnysled - 4/23/2012 12:58 PM
bronk - 4/23/2012 12:35 PM
semi-hostile responses...
hang around this place long enough and you'll be able read the message behind the message ...
Don't tell him this after only 7 posts, whatcha gonna do next, teach em the secret handshake?? Tard! |
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| Wow, when I got after Vince for intruding my area after catching a fish and another time for bashing the WLMC for every move we made, both times I was erased from the thread. What is the difference here? |
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