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Location: where the fish are... | So I spent alot of time thinking about this thread. Last week my buddy and I were fishing a SE Wisconsin lake around 10pm. We had worked a few areas and decided that the northwest shore would be our last area after a long day of work and fishing. As we were working the area a boat with 3 musky fisherman pulled up very close to us and started fishing. My question is how close is too close on a 2000+ acre lake? I could honestly hear they're conversation and if I wanted I could have casted into their boat. They were casting in all directions including right next to my boat. Now I fish Northern IL and things like this happen on smaller lakes but on a 2000+ acre lake, this just didnt sit well with me. Anyone have a similar thing happen on a big lake? Oh btw we were the ONLY 2 boats on the lake. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'd have started the motor and moved or kicked the electric into high and moved away. On the way out, I'd have 'apologized' for apparently being in the way. Some folks just don't know they are doing anything untoward. Others know and don't care. One is worth a try to be reasonable and get an educational point across, the other not worth arguing with. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | If you can hit them with a cast, they are too close. Let them know that by throwing a pounder or weagle near their head. |
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Location: Missouri | RyanJoz - 10/20/2011 11:34 AM
If you can hit them with a cast, they are too close. Let them know that by throwing a pounder or weagle near their head.
Just be careful when they throw back since you're out numbered 3 to 2..  |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Depends on the spot. If it's a linear type spot that you work you way along by drifting or using your trolling motor, then I think it's ok if they fall in a couple of hundred feet BEHIND you. If it's a small spot, especially a complex spot that you need to hit from various angles, they should fish somewhere else imo. |
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Location: where the fish are... | no wind, same depth literally 50 ft away... my buddy asked "this must be a small lake huh"? |
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| I don't like it when boats start fishing the opposite direction as you on a weedline and then you have to cross each other. I am cordial, but I would like to say other things to them. The size and number of spots on that body of water is what we need to consider. If I can hear the "'ting" from tens, then you are pushing it. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | if they are cutting in front, thats too close. But if they are fishing in behind you.... no big deal.... If they want to fish close behind you whats it to you, but maybe in your "personal space" a little more than we care to have. Urban fishing like I have in Madison and like Milwaukee, you are going to have it. The more that get into musky fishing, the more we will see it. I have cut in RIGHT behind someone on a weedline, and gone the other way. My thought is this, I am jumping into a weedline behind someone, I am not touching thier fresh water. And I go the other way to get away from them as soon as i can. Usually I let them know what I am doing too so they don't think I am camping on them. Most folks have no issue with you jumping in behind them... Its all about respect and communication in my book.
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Location: NorthCentral WI | C.Painter - 10/20/2011 12:56 PM
Its all about respect and communication in my book.
LOL. Oh, okay Dr. Phil or is that what your wife told you? 
Edited by MartinTD 10/21/2011 7:22 AM
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| They must have just traded in there poontoon for a fishin boat , cause them poontoon people usally dont care who they cut off or move in on. |
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| Well, if you are on Pewaukee, that is simply a way of life. No spots are "sacred" and anglers who regularly fish out there are quite used to weaving in and out of traffic. If you fish there enough, you learn the boats and the guys in them and you can strike up a good conversation about the lake and the fishing. I'm not saying what the other boat did was "right", but I am saying that it is a way of life on southeastern Wisconsin lakes.
Like Sworrall said, either kick your electric motor and get away from them or start the big engine and move to a different spot. If the lake is 2000 acres, there is plenty of other water to fish.
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| I've had kayakers within inches of my boat. Now whenever I see one coming I breakout the Mag Dawgs or Pounders. You'd think they'd wise up after getting splashed a few times, but it never seems to work. |
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Location: 31 | "Last week my buddy and I were fishing a SE Wisconsin lake around 10pm." Just a thought; maybe it was too dark for them to see you? Otherwise, (if it was A.M.) that's pretty inconsiderate in my opinion... there's just no reason to get that close on a lake that size with no one else around in my opinion. Off subject somewhat;
I do a fair amount of trolling around casters and find it amusing that guys will go out of their way to push me further off the edge. Even if its just turning around and making a single cast. Earlier this year I was by myself short lining and had this dork start angling his boat away from the outside edge and cast the open water in front of his boat every time when he saw me coming. I got a little tired of it so I started angling around him just the way I had done before, and as expected the bow of his boat starts heading out again. Once I was sure he had his boat moving out good enough, I just did a quick tight circle and grabbed the edge. Left him there facing/casting open water with his boat well out of position, and yes, I couldn't help but chuckle. After that, he pretty much just minded his own business... exactly what he should have been doing in the first place.
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Location: Contrarian Island | if someone gets too close I usually like to ask them if they'd just like to fish in my boat! ; ) some are just clueless and some just don't get it.. one of my particular favorites was fishing a MN lake a couple summers ago at 2 or 3 in the morning...it was me and 1 other boat (local guide) to the 3500 acre lake...I was out on a small hump...he proceeds to join me ... no other spots on the lake have fish ? |
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| How about this-I motored to a spot along one shore and was drifting down the shoreline last weekend. When I first came upon the spot I noticed another boat at least 200 yards upwind. As I was drifting I noticed the boat was drifting and using the trolling motor and moving fast than I was. Believe it or not the clown decided to motor past me and was intending to continue on in front of me. Granted he was not casting as he pasted but was well within casting range and ear shot. I took exception to this and made it abundantly clear. His excuse was I slowed/stopped and had jumped in front of him. Is 200 or more yards jumping in front of someone? If it is I guess I am guilty. I really wish I would have stuck a fish just then. |
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Location: where the fish are... | It was dark but the lights were on front and back of the boat. Vegas I was just shocked since the lakes I usually fish this doesnt happen with other musky fisherman usually bass or walleye guys and I could really care less. I was just amazed at how close they were to us after we had been established on a path down a shoreline and had been working that shore for about 30-45 minutes. We also met someone at the launch there the next night who was nothing but nice. I guess you just never know. |
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Location: 31 | Iwould give them the benefit of the doubt and guess they just didn't notice you until once there, maybe they didn't want to acknowledge not seeing you or whatever. On just about any size lake it should be an unwritten rule to stay well away from the other boat if you are the only ones fishing... especially at night. If you stay at this game long enough your bound to run into about every kind of space infringement issue like this. Although I can't make claim to being his gentlemanly as Steve, I typically try to give the other people the benefit of the doubt. I tend to have less tolerance for people who are consistently getting in my way though, whether it's deliberate or not. My pet peeve is someone who tries to muscle me off of a spot, typically not a good idea. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | MartinTD - 10/21/2011 7:20 AM
C.Painter - 10/20/2011 12:56 PM
Its all about respect and communication in my book.
LOL. Oh, okay Dr. Phil or is that what your wife told you? ; )
LOL! Thats funny.... No the therapist did, SO I got rid of them both!
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Location: north metro, MN | 2t Critter - 10/21/2011 2:29 PM
How about this-I motored to a spot along one shore and was drifting down the shoreline last weekend. When I first came upon the spot I noticed another boat at least 200 yards upwind. As I was drifting I noticed the boat was drifting and using the trolling motor and moving fast than I was. Believe it or not the clown decided to motor past me and was intending to continue on in front of me. Granted he was not casting as he pasted but was well within casting range and ear shot. I took exception to this and made it abundantly clear. His excuse was I slowed/stopped and had jumped in front of him. Is 200 or more yards jumping in front of someone? If it is I guess I am guilty. I really wish I would have stuck a fish just then.
had this happen to me last year walleye fishing up on leech, one of the tongas pulled right down wind of me on a drift, i figured he did it by accident and just let it go. i finished the drift and motored back up for a new drift, tonga pulls in about 7 yards down wind again! that got me going, took a big can of mace and let it fly.. settled in on the so called guide and his customers. they tore out and left me alone the rest of the day |
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| I was fishing a spot with a friend of mine in his boat when a boat motored in way too close and stopped in front of us. My friend proceeded to smack his lure off their outboard and said loudly and gruffly, "You're too close!" The boat started back up and left. Not what I would have done but very funny to watch. My friend was kind of an intense guy and probably scared them half to death. |
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Location: north metro, MN | muskytom50 - 10/26/2011 11:14 AM
. My friend proceeded to smack his lure off their outboard and said loudly and gruffly, "You're too close!"
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | A cowl for a newer outboard can cost up to $1200.00 or more. Bad idea to hit a motor with a lure. End up in court over a stupid 'spot' on a big lake...just sayin'. |
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| have bass guys do it all the time on small lakes i fish. Take a hang 10 or a mag dawg and start landing it right next to their boat and keep landing your bait over and over again right at their feet and at their trolling motors. works everytime for me. |
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| Ive got a great video i should upload regarding this topic.. Except it isn't about other musky guys cutting me off, just your classic Asshat pleasure boaters |
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Location: north metro, MN | swanezy - 10/28/2011 9:28 AM
Ive got a great video i should upload regarding this topic.. Except it isn't about other musky guys cutting me off, just your classic Asshat pleasure boaters
lets see it! |
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Location: Ludington, MI | Two words: Bottle Rockets. |
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| I'll see your two words and raise with a number...
Ruger Mini 14 |
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| Learn some fishing respect, these guys were a$$ bags... If it wasnt for muskie tom i would have put a weagle right at there face.... We were in 25fow +/- not even on a spot, just a mile + long shore they knew we were there... Any closer and i woulda jumped in there boat, grabbed there keys and dropped em in the drink... Well of course that was my first thought.... Oh well its over with... |
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Location: Mallard Island Lake Vermilion MN | Hello, hello, hello!
Dudes you have to mellow out.
Fishen sposed to be fun....not stressful an violent. Just plain silly acting like a lil kid either way. We are all in this together or sposed to be.
Some people suck but don't go the way of being a dick yerself...no way.
If yer tossing big lures loaded with big hooks on them at motors or boats or LIVE people to hurt them or their property well your simply not thinking.
They for sure will call a cop an maybe end up with you in jail an owning all you an yer friends stuff.
Not to mention with all the people pack'n heat these days you might just find yerself leaking life if they feel they have to defend themself.
Maybe for fun or to make yer point if you must...just say the move they made sucks an some stuff you might want to do to them or their sisters but come on...just move on as menetioned, laugh it off already.
Fishen sposed to be fun.....muskie fish swim.....go findem!
Never use to have to say anything on this matter ever until a like five years ago.
But nowadayz I mention to friends / clients that if something comes up during trip like people coming in to close we are moving as we gots a lots a places to play an enjoy the day...no confrontations on the lake of any kind..period.
Never have had a problem an we always have fun.
I have a few fun stories of people moving in on us or me but always have fun ending.
Bu then again I can do a really good Charlie Mason an having three or four hounds on the bow helps also.
: )
50 or 70 yards would be a good distance I guess.....for me ......but fish big water and really really like a 1/2 mile?
Its not that I don't like people...I just feel better when they aint around.
Keep on rocken!
Tommy
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| I don't know, I fish a lot in southeastern Wisconsin and crowding is a way of life. Some guy did make a mistake by crowding you, but you shouldn't retaliate. A quick wake as you take off usually lets them know that what they did was wrong and isn't a big deal.
I was out on Saturday and there was always a boat or two next to us. It really isn't a big deal and can be fun when you know the guys and the boats that you are fishing around.
My advice would be to err on the side of caution if it happens again. Like others said, it is just fishing and not worth ending up in court over. |
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