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| Ask them to vote no and to remove the policy portion of the Environment finance bill and get our government back to work....
http://www.votervoice.net/core.aspx?APP=GAC&AID=1356&IssueID=25821&... |
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| I just did it. Thanks John for all your efforts. What happened was closed door politics at its very worst.
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| Its over, Thanks for all the support this years everyone. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | So, does anyone know if the language was removed from the final bill? |
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Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes | From what I have been able to find out no changes were made to any of the bills passed in special session.
UPDATE: Just read through the bill and no changes were made in special session.
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Location: WI | Any chance Dayton can veto that language. Pawlenty always seem to pick and choose if I remember correctly. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | It's a done deal. Dayton signed off. Sad day for MN fisheries.
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Looks like time to start working on a ban darkhouse spearing campaign. It sure seems like time to stop trying to be nice or trying to compromise and just go for their throat. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'm not surprised, but I am disgusted. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I have already begun contacting my representatives. Partly to communicate my disgust with the legislation and how it was passed and partly to ask for help in introducing legislation in next years session to ban spearing of all game fish in MN.
It is time to return fire and go after the darkhouse association. No more being nice for me. |
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| Let's get spearing banned. Even if we aren't successful it may get them on their heels rather than on the offense. They have shown a complete unwillingness to compromise. |
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| Sad day for MN muskies and pike for sure. A big thanks to everyone that had a hand in trying to save the large pike and muskies in Cass. It has sure been alot of fun going out there and enjoying the large pike and muskies since the ban was placed.
This year we showed the legislators that we have numbers of individuals that care about the resource. Unfortunately in the end it fell on deaf ears.
A special thanks goes out to John Underhill, Shawn Kellet, Rob Kimm, Aaron Meyer, and all the muskiefirst guys. I know Underhill works day and night to protect these fish and a simple thank you doesnt seem enough.
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| Kevin Cochran - 7/20/2011 11:46 AM
A special thanks goes out to John Underhill, Shawn Kellet, Rob Kimm, Aaron Meyer, and all the muskiefirst guys. I know Underhill works day and night to protect these fish and a simple thank you doesnt seem enough.
+1 - it's an honor just to have these guys working for us, MN is proud and thankful of all the hard work these guys have put in. |
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| sad day...its only monday in the spearers week,,,,their going for something else now you can BET on that their on a roll and they AINT stopping..if you want to say were yelling "the sky is falling"look at their past record and recent past record this will eventually end up at opening up muskies for speraring |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | Exactly, Hooker. A quote I saw from them since Dayton signed off on this earlier today:
"The process of returning the lakes of Minnesota to the people who own them has begun."
Makes it very clear they aren't done. They're just beginning.
Aaron
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Location: Minnesota | Very sad day indeed... A Pandora's Box has been opened... and due to stupidity, ignorance, and selfishness, Its going to be all of us that will suffer... |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | This is why we have to go on the attack. They will stop at nothing to take everything they can from us. So, lets turn the tables on them and let them have some of their own medicine. |
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| They are not trying to take anything away from you. They are only trying to get a little that was taken away. What makes you think there was not other groups involved. There was only 8 yes I say eight contacts made from members of the darkhouse members and over 20,000 email contacts made to get this bill thrown out. Sending the same email from 20,000 email addresses must have seemed a bit frivoulis. I have a feeling you guys are about to show your true colors and your over size egos. I sure hope it does not backfire for you again. ALL SPORTSMAN NEED TO WORK TOGETHER! |
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| Keep having your feeling of projecting empathy to the world lol Try hope next.  |
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| middleman - 7/21/2011 9:22 PM
ALL SPORTSMAN NEED TO WORK TOGETHER! Perhaps this is the approach that MDAA could have taken to address their concerns? Instead they run full page ads in Outdoor News and other publications, along with backdoor politics to run their agenda.
"Taken from them"? Hardly, because of these regulations the pike fisheries in those bodies of water are very healthy. Try explaining how deregulating them, hamstringing the MN DNR will make this better. Fact is, IT WON'T!
True colors? Funny, the MDAA cards have already been dealt and their true colors have shined through. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | is there a precedent for dark-house spearers mistaking and killing a bunch a muskies?
or are the musky fishermen all-of-a-sudden becoming pike hunters?
i don't get it ... been spearing since a very young age and it's a blast and a tradition that's lasted at least on the waters we use. not unlike any species, there are good years and average years but always action. it's not very hard to tell the difference and yah, there's a lot of people who may not know, but maybe no less than the number who don't know how to handle a big fish when caught out musky fishing.
the purist will always lose to the general use when legislation is in-charge.
i love to catch and release muskies and also love to sit in a dark-house ... so much of this makes zero sense. show me all your pics of monster pike out of cass that you catch ... maybe that will help.
i don't get it and see no reason why both sides can't use the resource and it continue to produce down the line through natural and stocked management. spearing a big pike isn't as easy as you would think. |
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| Sled...i'm also one who believes that there's a middle-ground for things to co-exist, and i think the spearing tradition in MN is worth preserving. there was even a time when i was called "dangerous" by some muskie purists for daring to suggest such a crazy idea. ha! that said, there was already plenty of opportunity for spearing pike in MN. this is just a case of competing special interests, and the "wrong" side won this round through politics instead of science. yes, every spring there are reports and pictures of trophy-size muskies that were "released" under the ice with a line of spear holes across their backs. it's even worse when this is occuring in brood-stock lakes. it seems entirely reasonable (and supported by MN-DNR biologists) to have spearing bans in place on certain muskie lakes, especially those like Cass which are entirely self-sustaining. spearing also does impact pike size structure for pike. the research has been done that shows it. therefore protecting pike on some lakes from spearing is also worthwhile for developing trophy pike. Recreational Darkhouse Spearing for Northern Pike in Minnesota: Historical Changes in Effort and Harvest and Comparisons with Angling. Conflicts between spearers and anglers have led to questions about relative harvests by each group and their effects on northern pike populations. Creel survey data since 1980 show that summer and winter angling account for most of the northern pike harvest. Spearing accounted for 15% of the average yield of northern pike by number, but spearing is selective for the larger fish. In comparison with population estimates, spearing removes a small proportion of the total population and biomass of northern pike but an increasing proportion of fish with increasing size. Recreational angling, by comparison, removes an even greater proportion of all fish sizes in a population.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'that said, there was already plenty of opportunity for spearing pike in MN. this is just a case of competing special interests, and the "wrong" side won this round through politics instead of science.'
That's what is offensive to me.
Politicians running the fisheries programs, under pressure from SI groups...even ours...is inmates running the asylum. Bad idea. |
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| Sled,
For me it isnt about a spearer's right to spear at all or the concern over spearing muskies, really, though that may be an issue.
What it is for me is the fact that the MN DNR has done an excellent job improving the fisheries by instituting slot limits on Pike to get more desirable sizes and reduce the hammerhandles.
This is working VERY well with some real nice fish in the lakes where they limits are imposed.
What MDAA has done now is pushed for spearing and limit the capacity the MN DNR has on managing these lakes. Taking that authority away from them, the EXPERTS and given it to legislators.
I have no problem with spearing in general, but I have a major problem with how this whole thing came about and what it now means for the MN DNR and the lakes impacted. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that makes sense to me Captain and so does some of the stuff Mike posts ... protection from broodstock lakes as an example. but, if you protect broodstock lakes from spearing, why not from angling too?? having cake with the ability to eat it and pointing at the pot while standing in the kettle has been a dismal approach and i'm not at all surprised to the outcome. disappointment on this subject should not be a surprise.
law-makers driving a fishery ... where have i heard that before??? yah, totally agree that's a terrible precedent and one to be up in arms about.
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| I think it is crucial to push for a crazy slot limit like 26-44 must be released. By doing this it will limit if not eliminate spearing of pike on the Cass lake chain. There are ways to put a hurting to the spearing community, and the DNR is who gets to make the decisions on what lakes get the protected slots not the govt!
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I was a Northern Pike fisherman long before I ever fished for Muskies. I started fishing for Northern Pike in 1968 when I was 5 years old (1968) and have caught many large Pike in my lifetime. Northern Pike were my first love as I didn't start fishing Muskies until 1985. And Muskie fishing does not affect my opinion of Northern Pike at all.
I consider Northern Pike to be a game fish just like Walleyes, Bass and Muskies. And, as a game fish, I believe they should all be treated in a similar manner. I believe Pike should not be speared at any time of the year.
I believe all this "tradiiton" talk is nonsense. Just because something is considered a "tradition" by some does not make it right. Killing every Muskie was also a "tradition" at one time also. The term tadition has been used to justify many wrongs in the past. Such things as slavery, women not being able to vote, and even wars were all justified by "tradition". Sorry, but "tradition" means nothing to me.
I saw dark house spearing first-hand 40 years ago and considered it barbaric then and still do. I believe that dark house spearing should be banned. And my experience indicates that many other people in MN feel the same way.
We will see what the legisature decides on this issue in future sessions. But rest assured one thing, dark house spearing will come under attack like never before. And at some time in the future, it will be banned. It might not be next year or the year after, but it will be banned.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Guest - 7/22/2011 10:02 AM
There are ways to put a hurting to the spearing community
... and with this logo on your forehead you've accomplished what with your efforts?? |
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What we need it to push for legislation the will not allow the gov. to play with fisheries willy nilly.
More power and oversight needs to be in the hands of the DNR.
That should be our goal for the benefit of all MN fisheries.
Not this playgound battle with the spearers.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | fish = meat ... to many of the general use public. you guys make it out that these guys are out spearing 45-50 inchers at-will! and then wasting them ... holy crap.
barbaric to harvest your own meat by gun, hook and line, arrow or spear?? why?
reminds me of the person who protests the production of animals for the purpose of meat stating matter-of-factly "that's barbaric, i get my meat from the grocery store" ... |
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