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| I've never used curly sues personally, but does anyone feel like there's a noteable difference between the two? |
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Location: Oshkosh | MADE IN THE USA!
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | Like all baits they have their time and place, both do something a little different so one won't replace the other, just another tool to use. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | Curly sues are made in the USA and are very durable. They will last you many fish. |
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| shaley - 2/20/2011 12:45 PM
Like all baits they have their time and place, both do something a little different so one won't replace the other, just another tool to use.
Do you have any examples of how you use the two differently? |
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| Curly sues have moe of a hopping action. |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I don't use them differently, sometimes the fish prefer one over the other. Curlies have a little more profile and fit inbetween a mag dawg/pounder, maybe they give off a different vibe in the water I'm not sure, can't answer why somedays a mag dawg will get all the action and a curlie or Super D won't get a look, or why some days they only want the Super D over any of the others.. |
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Location: Denmark | Generally I think the Sue's works i little higher in the water column than the Dawgs, using the same speed. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | MADE IN THE USA!
Yet the computer and monitor, keyboard and mouse you used to post your comment probably are not. |
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| sworrall - 2/20/2011 4:59 PM
MADE IN THE USA!
Yet the computer and monitor, keyboard and mouse you used to post your comment probably are not.
Is there anyting wrong with supporting american jobs whenever possible? Finding a computer made in america is alot harder than finding a musky lure that is.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No, actually it isn't. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Well, the Shack Attack baits ARE made in the USA by a great guy who is a great guy to support. Bulldawgs aren't made here, and are mass produced. Tackle Industries aren't made here either, but the company is owned by a very honest upstanding guy, who is also worth supporting... I don't ONLY buy my baits based on where they are made, so saying that:
Curly Sues are amazingly durable. You'll no doubt catch several fish on one before having to retire it. I have a blue/silver that I'm not even sure how many fish I have caught and lost on it, and it just keeps on going. They have more of a straight hopping action, but can be made to walk the dog a little. I think in their stock form they fish a little shallower, but you can bend them down slightly and they will fish quite deep. They come in sizes frm very small, to regular Dawg size, to between Mag and Pounder size, and also a Monster one...
Dawgs are good now too. Used to have very low quality, but that has now changed. They will usually catch several fish too before falling apart. Not as durable as the Curly Sues but pretty good. They have a little different action. Can be made to walk the dog underwater fairly easily.
I don't know if I could give a scenario where I would use one over the other, but Bulldawgs, Curly Sues, and Super Ds are all different and worth having.
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Location: Michigan | I personally do not like the Curley Sue and would definitely recommend getting some SuperDs, Dawgs, and HardHeads before getting Curley Sues. As people have said, the action of the baits are different and it just seems the fish like the action of the others a lot more than the Sues. I have also had great customer service experience with James from TackleIndustry, Roger from H20 Tackle, and the people from Musky Innovations while my experience with Shack Attack has been not great. All that said, buy some of each bait and work with them this year and see which ones you like to fish and which ones the fish like. |
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| A few years ago i was also on the fence as the original poster. What i did was went to the ohio musky show (closest show to me, still a 4 hour drive...) and actually felt both brand of baits in my hands to make my decision. After i felt the difference it was a no brainer for me, Shack Attack all the way. I do not have the budget to buy alot of similar baits so i went with the maker of quality baits. That is how I made my decision.
Try to get each brand in your hands (however you can, store, friends, buy one of each...) and feel them, its your money. Buy the one you like more.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Imports don't have much to do with our economic troubles right now.
I find many things made in China to be of equal quality and sometimes better quality when compared to items made here. The quality achieved is up to the company having the product built.
I find it very interesting that outboard motors, televisions, computers, clothing, food items, automobile parts, tires, and many other higher priced items don't even get a second look as to where they are made, but Muskie lures suddenly become a critical economic force.
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| Steve,
No disrespect intended, but it is attitudes like yours that are not helping the economy.
The reason musky lures get mentioned on here and not computers, TV’s etc is because this is a musky fishing website, but I am sure you already know that. This is what guys will talk about and is part of the subject being discussed.
Musky lures ARE a critical economic force to a lot of people and their families. What would happen if the likes of Phantom Lures, Suick, Drifter Tackle and some of the others sent all their products to China? There would be a lot of people out of work and it would be more than just a handful, it would be in the hundreds. Now tell these people that musky lures are not a critical economic force.
Unfortunately we don’t have a choice on everything we buy to make sure it’s made in America, but in the world of musky lures, there is a little glimmer of hope.
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Location: Musky Country | sworrall - 2/21/2011 8:30 AM
Imports don't have much to do with our economic troubles right now.
I find many things made in China to be of equal quality and sometimes better quality when compared to items made here.
Cool than Lets send more jobs oversea's GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Never had a suzy sucker that rolls. Did you store the bait so the tail hangs more to one side? Because that can cause it. |
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| MartinTD - 2/21/2011 10:35 AM
sworrall - 2/21/2011 8:30 AM
Imports don't have much to do with our economic troubles right now.
I find many things made in China to be of equal quality and sometimes better quality when compared to items made here. The quality achieved is up to the company having the product built.
I agree 100%. In today's global economy it is a no brainer why companies are sending work overseas. Thank your labor unions in the U.S. for that one! Besides, the companies that are having their product made in China are owned and operated by Americans; How many people do you think Musky Innovations has on their payroll in the U.S.? I would bet more than Suick! You can't blame them for wanting to be competitive. If sending the production work to China means making $3 on each lure instead of $1.25 for an equal quality lure, after selling the volume that companies like Musky Innovations do in a year - big difference in amount of profits to be made. It's a business like any other. The companies that ARE still making lures in the U.S. I feel are either, behind the times a bit OR small enough that they are mostly family owned and operated. Just my .02
BTW, I live in Antigo, WI - home of Suick and Mepps.
With regards to Curly Sues - I do not like them due to the fact they seem to turn on the side all the time. Same is true with the suzy suckers. I feel like the tail has good action and everything but when I get it close to the boat, I can see them coming in on their side which is annoying. As if their is not enough weight on the bottom of the lure. Not sure if anyone else has experienced this...
Martin,
Perhaps I am a little behind the times and should get everything made in China, then I can sit back and drink cocktails all day long and count my money. I will stick with the way I am doing it, as I respect the people I help make a living supplying me the materials I need to make my lures.
As for who employs more, Suick or MI, think about it, Suick make all their own lures and thus have to employ people to do it. MI has their stuff made overseas, so how many people does that take? You live in the same town as Suick and Mepps, perhaps you should do some homework and find out how many people in your area would be affected if these two companies sent everything overseas. I don’t know the answer to that, but you could find out and let me know.
By the way, I am in no way here to bash any other lure companies and how they conduct their businesses.
Also, if you have a problem with any of my lures, just send them back to me and I will take care of you and make sure that you are happy with my products. Seeing as I make the lures, I only have myself to blame if they don’t work properly and I am always looking for ways to improve my products.
this is my last post on this subject, as I don't have time to spend in front of the computer, I have lures to make. |
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| I have been on both sides of this table, and have so much to say about this, but this isn’t the forum for me to do so. I do just need to say though that I have worked in manufacturing my entire life and I have seen countless jobs, businesses, and heck even towns disappear due to work being outsourced offshore so someone can make a few extra bucks. I think that is a shame. It was manufacturing that made this country great and the continued loss of it has VERY much to do with the economic times we are in right now. Yes it is hard to find “Made in USA” in all products, but when it comes to musky tackle, I have the ability to and the preference to buy and source it local, and I will continue to do so. |
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| http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/world-news-made-america-challenge-g...
this looks like an interesting experiment |
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Location: Freedom, WI | I am with mrichardson on this one as I think he has a better handle on it than I do.
Martin do not blame one thing as the problem, there are lots of them. One big one most overlook or do not know is the money changers on Wall Street and the laws that where in place, companies had 2 choices, putting money in aging infrastructure which cost money and not a fast return or going off shore to help their bottom line look good. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | It must REALLY be the middle of winter if even Worrall is debating economics in a thread about rubber baits. 
Why don't we get back at it and discuss the effectiveness of these baits, not where they are being made.
Regarding those rubber baits rolling over on their side, maybe they just had to be tuned (bent) one way or the other? I have several of them and never had one that couldn't be tuned to run just how I wanted it. Most if not all ran true on the 1st cast.
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| Shack Attack - 2/21/2011 9:18 AM
Steve,
No disrespect intended, but it is attitudes like yours that are not helping the economy.
The reason musky lures get mentioned on here and not computers, TV’s etc is because this is a musky fishing website, but I am sure you already know that.
Thank you. |
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| sworrall - 2/21/2011 9:30 AM
Imports don't have much to do with our economic troubles right now.
I find many things made in China to be of equal quality and sometimes better quality when compared to items made here. The quality achieved is up to the company having the product built.
I find it very interesting that outboard motors, televisions, computers, clothing, food items, automobile parts, tires, and many other higher priced items don't even get a second look as to where they are made, but Muskie lures suddenly become a critical economic force.
amen to that
i would also add the following
more than 80 % of musky lures dosnt create a single job,the owner build his stuff so what the difference if the bait is made in china or usa?
btw if china economy is bad usa is gona get in trouble,they lend lots of big $$ to usa,like it or not.
i want something that caught fish not a lure that have stars and stripes or in my case a red maple leaf |
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| I respect everybody's opinions here, but I'm really just interested in which one works better and why. Thank you to those of you who actually answered my question instead of showcasing your economic brilliance. |
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| I threw the dawgs for many years until the and they went to the initial solid wire internal harnesses and in my opinion the quality of the lures declined. I then moved away from throwing soft plastics.
I then found Shack Attack lures and found the quality and durability to be much higher. However, the fish did not respond to my presentations accordingly. Basically, where the bulldawgs would fall apart on me, while attracting muskies....the Shack Attacks held up perfectly, but I could not get the fish to react to them. I caught fish on dawgs which fell apart on me. The Shack Attacks were indestrucatable but I caught no fish on them.
Last year I went back to giving Musky Innovations a try and found that the pro dawgs attracted fish, but ran poorly with anything but a very slow pull-pause retrive. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I fish alot in Canada, and I use the Curly Sues and the Suzy Suckers, and the Muskies on the Lakes I fish will inhale them. They do have a different action/fall rate then a M/I BullDawg, which I will not buy. Thank U Andy for a Quality Bait. U can't work all baits the same, take some time and work with the bait, somtimes a different leader will change the action of a bait. |
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Location: MN | Both are good baits and both catch fish.
Here's a little mod. If you fish any lakes with ciscoes, you can move the eyes of the Curly Sue up forward and make it look similar to the eye positioning / head of a ciscoe. Not sure if it makes a difference, but my "Suzy the Cisco" (as she's named) has had some awful big Vermilion & Mille Lacs muskies look at her and this little guy wanted to mate with her. Pic below shows the new eye positioning.
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| PIKEMASTER-"sometimes a different leader will change the action of a bait"- That is so true, Try a weighted leader from Stealth tackle on either bait you will be amazed at the increased action. Gives both alot better hop, triggers more strikes and gets the bait down where it needs to be. Adding a splitring to front of the bait will help with action as well.
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madisonmuskyguide.com |
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