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Location: Bemidji | Senator John Carlson and Representative John Persell are authoring a bill that will allow spearing of northern pike on Cass Lake. The MN DNR placed a spearing ban on this lake in 1988 to produce trophy pike and to stop muskies from getting speared. If you are against this please email/call them and tell them you thoughts.
This bill was passed last year and later vetoed by the govenor but it is gaining momentum now. Last year the spearing ban stated that speared muskies, if reported within 24 hours, would not be count as a poached fish. That means it was legal to spear muskies within a 24 hour period without a fine.
Please call and stop this. Tell them that you do NOT want spearing on Cass Lake.
Senator John Carlson
[email protected]
651-296-4913
Representative John Persell
[email protected]
651-296-5516
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| I will definitely be voicing my opinion here.
Thank you Kevin and the rest of the regulars that keep putting in countless hours to protect both Muskies and the few remaining big Pike. |
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| Thanks for posting Kevin,
guys, we need to come together again, quick, to put this bill down. Please take a few minutes out of your day to respectfully call/email these two politicians and tell them you DO NOT support this bill.
Flood their phone lines and in boxes please. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | As has been said, please let Senator Carlson and Rep. Persell know your thoughts on this matter. They both spoke up at the Capitol claiming that there's virtually no opposition, at least not that they've heard. Time to flood their voice mails and email inbox!
Aaron
Edited by AWH 2/13/2011 11:02 PM
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| when writing or calling, make sure to reference the area such as yourself living in the area, visiting the area often, spending your hard earned vacation money ect.. One of the things that I was told is that when this happened last year is that 1000's of people responded and only a very small percentage were from the area or they believed ever visited the area.. I guess I am saying, try to make your email a little personal instead of just quoting data. I was told "most of the oposition came from the Twin Cities and accross the US" when talking about the previous bill and why they are running it again.. |
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| They both have stated they have not had constituents opposed to this, Rep Persell stated he only had one opposed to lifting the ban. In talking with people from the area the other day they claim to made many calls, so whats going on? I don't know. Please be respectful and voice your concerns for this.
Thanks for posting Kevin.
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Location: mn | THANKS FOR ALL THE TIME AND WORK YOU PUT TOWARD THIS ISSUE KEVIN. I'M SO SICK OF IT. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | e mails sent |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | This is like a one way teeter-totter! Senator Chaudry didn't think there was opposition either...until it came time to vote. Remember THESE guys when it comes time to vote again. Then get active in your district to send the message home! Until then we have to keep giving the input and making the calls, sending the e-mails and not let them run over a huge success story in Muskie quality. I think it is a good idea to always copy your Represenative & Senator on e-mails you send to a bill author. Let them know right up front that they have people in their districts that are opposed to the bill in question. |
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| Emails sent too.
I did make note in the emails that I have property in the area and fish Cass often.
Wanted them to know that than thinking the email was coming from some random person in Florida or something.
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Frankly emailing Carlson and Percel is good, but they're the ones that threw out the bill and aren't going to abort their baby now. What we need to do is to contact the chairs of the committees as well as the remaining members that are going to vote on the bill. Let's get the word out to those that we can influence vs. those that have already made their beds.
Senate:
Chair: Bill Ingebrightson [email protected]
Vice Chair: Dan Hall [email protected]
Linda Higgins [email protected]
Gary Dahms [email protected]
Paul Gazelka [email protected]
Chris Gerlach [email protected]
Kenneth S. Kelash [email protected]
Keith Langseth |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Keith Langseth http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/members/member_bio.php?mem_id=102...
Jeremy R. Miller [email protected]
Sandra L. Pappas http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/members/member_bio.php?mem_id=104...
John C. Pederson [email protected]
Tom Saxhaug [email protected]
Rod Skoe [email protected] |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | House:
Chair: Denny McNamara [email protected]
Vice Chair: Paul Torkelson [email protected]
Jean Wagenius [email protected]
Bill Hilty [email protected]
Paul Anderson [email protected]
Michael Beard [email protected]
David Dill [email protected]
Steve Drazkowski [email protected]
Dan Fabian [email protected]
Andrew Falk [email protected]
Tom Hackbarth [email protected]
David Hancock [email protected]
Rick Hansen [email protected]
Kate Knuth [email protected]
Duane Quam [email protected]
Peggy Scott [email protected] |
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Location: Minneapolis | What are the bill numbers? I couldn't find reference to the 2011 incarnations of the bills when I did some googling. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Everyone just wait a day or two. We have a new system that will log everyone's comments so when a legislator says "I only got 1 person against this" we will have the back-up to prove that they're "misinforming" the committee. |
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Location: Grand Forks ND | I can't believe they're bringing this up again. The experts (DNR) don't want it, so why do these legislators think they know better?!? I am so sick of politicians these days I could puke!
I see the legislature is also fighting the DNR wanting to make a small fishing/hunting license increase because they'll be running out of money in a couple years. |
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Location: Waconia, MN | Email has been sent! |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | What if we took to the offensive and began pushing for a state wide ban of dark house spearing?
I am firmly opposed to spearing of any game fish whether it is in the summer or winter. It is illegal to spear Northern Pike in open water, but add a little ice and its OK somehow?
So, what if we all go on the offensive and go right after the legality of spearing?
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| Idiots.
Absolute idiots.
The population of Cass can afford to lose neither Pike or Musky. The #*^@ native netting still goes on. How do these guys call themselves sportsmen? The hill billys around me now are looking forward to spearing Walleyes in a couple weeks in the river.... Seriously NORTHERN MN WAKE THE %$#& UP.
Someone pick on tournaments or something...
Back to lurking. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | 2 trailer park girls go round the out side... |
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Location: Cass Lake | Folks I encourage you to e-mail and call the Senators around the state more so than the authors of the bill. Last year in the middle of this war my mother spoke to Sen Mike Jungbauer of District 48 and he had no idea what was going on or how people felt about this crap. If you live in the Anoka area contact Mike, he wants to know how we feel about this...651-296-3733 and [email protected] Like Treats said, the authors have made their beds...we need to let the other Senators and Reps know where to lay their heads at night.
You also have to understand that most of the people and businesses here in Cass Lake support lifting the ban because they have been tricked into thinking it will improve there cash flow in the winter. They are not looking at the big picture of what it will do to the lake and their cash flow years from now. Many of the locals still think that pike and musky eat all the walleye and perch they love so much. |
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| Now that the ban has been lifted, when is spearing going to be legal there? Is it this season?
As far as spearing being detrimental to the muskies, spearing has always been legal on Leech - and the last time I checked, Leech has been a good musky lake since long before white men were here. The number of muskies taken by spearers by "mistake" is very, very low. After having a dark house on Vermillion for many years(until they put the big pike slot in place, which effectively outlawed spearing....  ) I know for a fact that telling the difference between a pike and a musky is very, very easy from a darkhouse.
Personally - I am glad the ban is gone and I WILL be making a trip or two to Cass to take my pike.l....... FWIW - if spearing was outlawed, I would STILL take my one or two 8-10# fish each winter for the grill.....
Spearing - don't knock it 'til you've tried it. |
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| I've tried it, but felt terrible killing the fish. That is my personal preference. I also don't hunt deer or intentionally kill any species for that matter. I do practice CPR on all species of fish. I am not saying that everyone should do this, but that is my personal preference.
I am not against the spearing ban because of muskies alone. I have great memories fishing with family for large pike on Cass Lake. We practiced CPR on these fish in an effort to conserve the resource. My concern is that spearing will harm the trophy pike population and at the same time will cause a few muskie to be taken by accident or otherwise.
I have nothing against spearing. I think that people should have the right to practice this sport, but I don't think that it is too much to ask to leave a few lakes banned to protect these species. IMO - this will have negative effects on Cass lake as a trophy pike fishery.
To each their own. I just wish there were more level headed people out there who could work together on a reasonable compromise vs. the embarrassing attacks that occur.
Ultimately the MNDNR should be the ones to determine these regulations, but that is a whole different story.
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As someone who grew up spearing, I can fully realize the want and need of people in MN for more trophy and just healthier pike populations.
It's too bad that so many others can't.
Glad to see such a good role model in the spearing community. Still willing to spear even if it was outlawed.
Guess that means you probably wouldn't have a problem ingnoring slots or sticking a walleye or muskie it if tickled your fancy, or would that be where you draw the line?
JS |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Remembering that this is America d'it! That means that a difference of opinions is OK, it's what we are all about as a country. Personally I don't spear, don't like the fact that spearing is legal in the country let alone this state. I feel it's day was gone along time ago and that spears thrown in error are all to common. That there are good numbers of wounded fish left to rot in the biomass from it. That there is good reason for over harvsting concerns. And if you have ever hit one of those blocks of ice left under the snow on your snowmobile you know that's a hazzard & 1/2. I would however feel better about it if they could come up with a catch & release method that doesn't wound the fish. Maybe count coo...touch the fish with a stick and be happy!!
But beyond all that I really do not like the Under-handed and dishonest in my opinion way that the spearing community with the aide of some questionable legislators rammed another bill down the throats of the anglers. What were those numbers? Something like 13,000 spearers, 1.5 million anglers, and 250,000 Muskie anglers....and the 13,000 get their "special interest" rammed into being????
The answer simply is at the poll's vote 'em out!!!! |
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| Yes, there is a lawyer in Mpls that has had an agenda against muskies for years. I dont know it for fact, but it wouldnt surprise me one bit if he were behind this whole thing since he was behind a bunch of other smear tactcs against muskies.
I really have no problem with spearing, never done it myself, but the way this bill came about and what it means to the MNDNR's ability to MANAGE the fishery and others like it is ridiculous! Lets put that responsibility on legislators, that makes complete sense.
Cass Lake has a very nice healthy trophy pike population right now and that is because of the harvest restrictions on that lake inlcuding protected slots. This fishery is now in jeopardy for what has been passed. |
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| yes but its heritage and tradition!!!!
spear[rs their fathers and their grandfathers did it!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm
My father carried a thompson sub machine gun in WW2 guess I can tote one next time in Northern france  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Guest - 9/30/2011 12:15 PM
As someone who grew up spearing, I can fully realize the want and need of people in MN for more trophy and just healthier pike populations.
It's too bad that so many others can't.
Glad to see such a good role model in the spearing community. Still willing to spear even if it was outlawed.
Guess that means you probably wouldn't have a problem ingnoring slots or sticking a walleye or muskie it if tickled your fancy, or would that be where you draw the line?
JS
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I believe this fellow meant he'd harvest a couple pike by spear if legal, and by hook and line if not. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | Keep in mind that there aren't many large Pike in Leech. At least certainly not as many as in Cass. Might it have something to do with the spearing?
A fish can be caught many, many times. But it can be speared only once and then it is gone forever. No one can deny that. |
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