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| Simple poll: do you think the world record muskies caught by Cal Johnson and Louis Spray were as large as stated? |
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Location: Money, PA | Lets just say, we will NEVER know for sure....those guys were all in a race to get the world record muskie and IMO they cheated. How many legit 60+ lb muskies have been certified since those days out on the midwest?? Especially with all the efforts of C&R and preservation of the species/sport in recent years....to some they should come a dime a dozen....Ummmmm NOT! World Record = Ken O'Brien 65+lbs St. Lawrence....sorry guys |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | Credible or not, we will never know. But it does make for great discussion material as we look out the window at the frozen tundra!
Simplistically, the question should be, "Does it matter?" |
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Location: Lake of The Woods | Look's like common sense has voted.....  |
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| Im with Steve Van Lieshout does it matter you really think the guys putting in all those hours on the water would keep a fish to get certified of this caliber? |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I couldn't tell ya. There is no way that I could judge cause I wasn't there. Somebody needs to catch the new world record and make it official! |
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| Medinah13 - 1/9/2011 12:27 PM
Im with Steve Van Lieshout does it matter you really think the guys putting in all those hours on the water would keep a fish to get certified of this caliber?
Someone would. Maybe not the die hard anglers, but consider the amount of publicity and the amount of business a world record fish could potentially bring to the area in which it was caught. Suppose you owned a resort, and one of your guides/guests caught a potential record fishing out of your camp?
For the average angler, it might mean a few seminars, or maybe an interview or two. Potentially you could make a bit of money if you were the one who caught it, and you played your cards right. But for a resort, a town, the bars, restaurants, the local chamber of commerce, and the local guides? A world record fish is worth a lot more dead and verified than it is alive.
Edited by esoxaddict 1/9/2011 1:56 PM
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Location: Lake of The Woods | Medinah13 - 1/9/2011 12:27 PM
Im with Steve Van Lieshout does it matter you really think the guys putting in all those hours on the water would keep a fish to get certified of this caliber?
If it was a World Record i would think most would, some wouldnt. I think it does matter as there's allway's so much intesnse conversation about the subject and would lay to rest. |
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Location: Tower, Lake Vermilion | With all the crap people take about Big fish they post on the internet I doubt I'd be in a big rush to claim it, unless it was totally varifiable, and that would mean it would have to be dead. I also don't think anyone is going to get weathy just from catching a world record Muskie. There is so much jelousy and doubt in the Muskie world that at some point someone would try to disclaim it and muddy up the waters. Personally, it just wouldn't be all that important to me, even if I was lucky enough to be the guy that caught it. JMHO.
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| If Jesus Christ himself caught an an eighty pound musky on opening day of the next season with the Supreme Court right there in the boat with him and Andy & Aunt Bea right there video taping the whole thing it would be hailed as the most wonderous occasion in the history of the world, unless it was caught outside of Wisconsin... |
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| I'd keep it to break the record, hell I'd keep a state record to break that record.I live in the land of lincoln, and the Illinois record isn't even 40 lbs. Before everyone jumps all over my s***, I have never kept a fish before and would get a replica of anything less.
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| esoxaddict - 1/9/2011 2:40 PM
Medinah13 - 1/9/2011 12:27 PM
Im with Steve Van Lieshout does it matter you really think the guys putting in all those hours on the water would keep a fish to get certified of this caliber?
Someone would. Maybe not the die hard anglers, but consider the amount of publicity and the amount of business a world record fish could potentially bring to the area in which it was caught. Suppose you owned a resort, and one of your guides/guests caught a potential record fishing out of your camp?
For the average angler, it might mean a few seminars, or maybe an interview or two. Potentially you could make a bit of money if you were the one who caught it, and you played your cards right. But for a resort, a town, the bars, restaurants, the local chamber of commerce, and the local guides? A world record fish is worth a lot more dead and verified than it is alive.
i highly i disagree,all the thing you are talking about is wrong,wr musky dosnt worth $%?&
its not appropriate to compared musky scene with bass scene.
hardcore musky fishermans are less than 1% of all the anglers.or lets say something like 3000 max. |
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| The Devil Made Me Do - 1/7/2011 11:54 AM
Simple poll: do you think the world record muskies caught by Cal Johnson and Louis Spray were as large as stated?
Yes! |
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Location: oswego, il | I have seen Cal's mount many times. Never seen a fish "proportioned" like it before. IMHO it looks very altered in regards to the length and girth. I have yet to hear anyone question altering the head of the fish. It is interesting that Cal's mount is not left at the show unatended in the evening but removed from harper. I doubt anyone would ever sneak a backside look at the fish but just in case........ |
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Ace,
I hope a guy like you catches it.
Just had this conversation with another guide who could catch state/world record fish----What do you do if your out at dark/after dark and your by yourself and you know you just caught THE FISH. What do you do?
My recomendation to him was keep it---Don't shoot---Have never kept a fish--And have argued publically for 100% catch and release. But for a stuggling guide who wants to get his name out there----what is the alternative? Basically if you don't keep it---like everyone says---It will just be discredited.
Interesting he suggested making a live pen on the lake where one could put a fish in the livewell and drop off for verification on certified scale and then release---Best of both worlds-- certified state/world record and a healthy release. It goes without saying this is my first choice.
Food for thought for those of us who fish trophy water. |
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| Storm Strike - 1/10/2011 4:20 PM
Ace,
Interesting he suggested making a live pen on the lake where one could put a fish in the livewell and drop off for verification on certified scale and then release---Best of both worlds-- certified state/world record and a healthy release. It goes without saying this is my first choice.
Food for thought for those of us who fish trophy water.
I can just about guarantee any fish handled in this manner would never be verified. Chain of evidence type thing. Length would be the only thing verifiable in this circumstance, imo. |
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| No - - - Todd K |
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| ToddM - 1/10/2011 2:45 PM
I have seen Cal's mount many times. Never seen a fish "proportioned" like it before. IMHO it looks very altered in regards to the length and girth. I have yet to hear anyone question altering the head of the fish. It is interesting that Cal's mount is not left at the show unatended in the evening but removed from harper. I doubt anyone would ever sneak a backside look at the fish but just in case........
Techniques for mounting were different back then, you couldn't buy forms ready made like now. Especially for a fish that size. Taxidermists made their own bodies. I would imagine some had more skill than others, the same as today. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 1/9/2011 12:59 PM
I couldn't tell ya. There is no way that I could judge cause I wasn't there. Somebody needs to catch the new world record and make it official!
Agreed. But
Even if somebody did catch a new record there would still be a ton of people trying to discredit it out of boredom, jealously or just pure meanness. Human nature. |
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Location: oswego, il | Buckey, have you seen the mount? I have many times. The body length and girth look altered. It ramps up behind the head and then ramps sharply down to the tail. Not much of a belly for that much girth either. Seen alot of oler mounts, none like that one. |
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| ToddM - 1/12/2011 8:36 PM
Buckey, have you seen the mount? I have many times. The body length and girth look altered. It ramps up behind the head and then ramps sharply down to the tail. Not much of a belly for that much girth either. Seen alot of oler mounts, none like that one.
Yes, but how many times have you seen it when sober Todd???  |
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| Next time you have a chance if you are in Canada ,stop in at Musky Jakes Bar at the Gannanoque Inn and have a look at the O'Brian fish.. real mount , believeable dimensions and there is some other impresive mounts there as well , I think this gets beat to death every year but i do enjoy reading the responses  |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Has anybody ever seen the mount in The Stove Works fireplace store in Hayward ? I don't know exactly how big that fish is but it is enormous. |
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Location: Toronto, Ontario | I'm not too worried about records but if there is one, it's the O'Brien fish.....best pictures, best documented and by far the most believable. |
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| I give the nod to the late Martin Williamson. His 61 lb 4 oz muskie is not mired in controversy like the O'Brian fish. |
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Location: Toronto, Ontario | What controversy re: O'Brien Fish? Caught, then weighed after sitting in the bottom of a boat....65lbs, certified scale. The guy was fishing for walleye, he couldn't have given a #*^@ about a musky record. |
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| obrien fish controversy,have been made by someone somehwere who have said the belly was water loaded
so many jealous.......
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Mackerel - 1/15/2011 9:33 PM
What controversy re: O'Brien Fish? Caught, then weighed after sitting in the bottom of a boat....65lbs, certified scale. The guy was fishing for walleye, he couldn't have given a #*^@ about a musky record.
Really ?
Check this link:
http://www.musky.ca/ontario-record-muskie-ontario-record-musky.htm
"O'Brien landed the fish during an annual (mostly fun) challenge muskie fishing match between two teams of anglers on Georgian Bay. No shortage of credible witnesses. "
Who intentionally fishes for walleye during a musky contest ?
If only the truth were easily differentiated from perception and hearsay..... |
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| Spray = No. |
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Location: oswego, il | FSF, they do not serve alcohol at the musky show so it was every time. Now had they, I would have mentioned how both of Cal's fish looked augmented.
The mount was not there this year, they just had a general hayward tourism booth at the musky show this year which used to be a resort booth. |
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