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| When it comes to musky fishing should there be two catagories for muskies. ! being caught casting and the other trolling?
It just appear that so many of the huge fish are caught troling I thought maybe the casters should be given their due. |
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Location: New Berlin,Wisconsin,53151 | I agree....I've got nothing against trolling but how about someone catching a 55"r plus on a figure "8" and changing your "Depends" right after that.
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Location: Not where I wanna be! | A fish in the net is a fish in the net.... still gotta pick the right bait and put it in front of a hungry fish.
I don't see it as a lesser presentation at all as there is still much that goes into it that is not required when casting.
One technique does not require more skill over the other, each has their time and place. Being consistent on muskie waters requires a sound understanding of the fish including how and when they are feeding.
If you're an advocate of luck, then luck can be a factor in both cases. Its not illegal to be lucky....
just a couple pennies.... |
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| I disagree, a big fish in the net is a big fish in the net imo. |
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Location: Des Moines IA | Ask Tom Gelb if trolling is easier than casting .................. |
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| Anyone can sit like a stump and cast all day. Drive a boat around shoal infested waters at 6 mph + and see how easy it is not getting hung up and catch fish. |
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| Any idiot can drag a few lures around the lake and luck into a big fish, just like any idiot can blindly fling baits along a weed edge. But if you think that's all there is to trolling, OR casting, you've obviously not done enough of either. |
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| Could we just go back to last year and re-post the whole " do you get any satisfaction" thread . This crap goes on every fall/winter. MD |
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| How about those Bass fishermen , some fish the slop some crank some jig , should there be different records for each catagory , each technique has it's place , but i agree the relative danger factor in trolling fast and not hitting shoals and not getting baits hung up is an art all in its own
Edited by Trophyhunter1958 11/15/2010 5:02 PM
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Location: Brookfield, WI | There are mathematical formulas that need to be applied to adjust a fish's size depending on how it's caught. They should be well known by now.
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| if its fun and legal do it. unless the wife complains. |
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| I did not mean to imply either was a lessor catagory. I Just feel trolling on bigger waters give a greater chance to get a record fish. I don't need to ask Tom Gelb if its easier,I rowtroll also.
When it comes to trophy deer hunting a buck is a buck yet they have seperate catagories for bow or gun! When you think of it from that point of view I think it has merit to have two catagories. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Same weapon, a fishing rod, just differing manners of getting a lure in front of the fish. Much larger difference between a rifle and a bow than trolling and casting. I'd say no to two categories. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | What next live bait vs artificial bait? Or how about different kinds of artificials? I would think topwater would be more sporting than a cowgirl. That's too easy to catch them on cowgirls. |
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| And I've been on lakes where casting gave you a much greater chance of catching a big fish then trolling would due to weeds, contours, etc.
Serioulsy guys it's not even December yet. Do we really need to start this arguement already? How about a simple thread like "What's the best reel for CowGirls?" LOL |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | I agree... there should be a world record trolling category and a world record casting category...and a world record category for fish caught by me. |
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Location: Brainerd, MN 56401 | @ Troll "anyone can sit like a stump and cast all day", have you ever caught a fish sitting down and casting? I personally have never sat down while throwing Monster Medussas or Pounders for 8 to 10 hours straight, and I KNOW it's harder than dragging a lure around the lake. Trolling is lazy mans fishing imo, but still there should not be two catagories. I'll probably start trolling more when I'm too old to cast.
Edited by jranderson 11/16/2010 7:11 AM
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Location: Smith Creek | The hall of fame in Hayward has a seperate category for power trolling. I like Hopeful's formulas better but I don't expect the hall or IGFA will adopt it any time soon. |
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My goal as a muskie fishermen is to catch "trophy" fish using as many different techniques as possible.
Live bait, trolling and casting.
With casting you can even break it down further; topwaters, jigs, jerks etc.
Catching a trophy with as many different lure types and presentations is a challenge that keeps you learning.
If you think trolling is easy than try driving around all day in Oct/Nov. jerking a suick as you drive 3-4mph. It will keep you warm.
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| i guess wr will came from st-lawrence or goergian bay so i have to say trolling.
not really easy to cast those place during the fall/winter |
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| No need to start considering 2 categories now with the ridiculousness of the current musky records already in place. Just my $.10 (adjusted for inflation). |
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| It wont matter guys, the next state or world record fish will be caught by someone fishing walleyes.
IMO records caught while not targeting said fish should not count. Now how about we start a new set of books? LOL |
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| I understand it's just a discussion but... Do you honestly think someone will EVER catch a muskie heavier than 69 lbs 11 oz.
Estimates of the McNair fish last year were close, around 65 lbs if I remember right. Then the MI State Record that was caught last year, only 50 lbs and that fish was ridiculously huge too.
And look at the pics of those fish next to the pics of Louie Spray's fish. Craziness.
First, the current World Record must be dethroned.
Edited by MartinTD 11/16/2010 2:11 PM
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| agreed that the Spray fish wasn't 61.5x31.75 like the record book says and that would put the fish at 80lbs anyways. But I think that a 70lb Muskie is possible.. Every year the muskies caught in the fall are a little bigger and more common. A 58x31 is bound to sho her face somewhere. And when she does, I won't care who caught by what method, I just want to see the fish! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Oh boy, here we go.
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| Fish the way you want to fish whether it be casting or trolling. Personally I much prefer to cast, to me trolling is boring. Sure I would welcome a 50" fish trolling I'd rather catch it casting. Should their be two catagories-what difference does it really make in your world? Get out and fish when you can and be happy with the results. |
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| MartinTD - 11/16/2010 2:07 PM
I understand it's just a discussion but... Do you honestly think someone will EVER catch a muskie heavier than 69 lbs 11 oz.
Estimates of the McNair fish last year were close, around 65 lbs if I remember right. Then the MI State Record that was caught last year, only 50 lbs and that fish was ridiculously huge too.
And look at the pics of those fish next to the pics of Louie Spray's fish. Craziness.
First, the current World Record must be dethroned.
Truth be told, they are all lies. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | jranderson - 11/16/2010 8:07 AM
@ Troll "anyone can sit like a stump and cast all day", have you ever caught a fish sitting down and casting? I personally have never sat down while throwing Monster Medussas or Pounders for 8 to 10 hours straight, and I KNOW it's harder than dragging a lure around the lake. Trolling is lazy mans fishing imo, but still there should not be two catagories. I'll probably start trolling more when I'm too old to cast.
Well the end of your post is ALMOST the right thing to say. My wife and I have caught hundreds of Muskies. over a hundred this year alone. W e get them Casting and when we get tired because we are old we troll. Then when we are rested up we cast again. Instead of wasting all that energy casting at less then optimum times trolling covers more water and enables the smart angler to contact more active fish. Ill sit down and have a sandwich and a coke while I troll an edge or check out a piece of structure. The smart troller uses trolling to find the best spots to cast. At my age casting entire lake shorelines is asking for 800 milligrams of Motrin.. So Lazy?? hardly. Smart is a better word. We use it all, every tactic,lure and season. This sport has so much variations why single one out and bash it? Its all good. Mike |
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| Well said Kingfisher !! |
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| the guys that know how to troll know thier's a little more to it than just washing off lures hoping to get bit.
Plus you can't do the Zumba if your casting.
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