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Location: Madtown, WI | OK, I got my data transferred. All my icons are now way points.
Here is ONE of my issues. Now all these icons (that are now waypoints) are showing up with the name ICON on the screen for every single mark I put down....you know how many I have for a given weedline?? all the ICON words cluttering the screen I can't even see the marks! Plus whos bright idea was it to change a fully colored in green or blue X on the old units to a clear middle slightly shaded green or blue X on the new units...talk about harder to see. Looks "Cleaner or more advanced" when your up close at cabalas looking at it....but in the boat when the unit is at your feet...MAN its hard to see them...
Don't get me started on now I can't take my data from my LCX that is now saved on my HD and move it BACK to my LCX since now its all waypoints instead of icons...and now I have more than the 1000 allowable waypoints on the LCX...
I digress...
So my question is, has lowrance come up with a solution to fix this, other than me going into every one of my "ICON" 's and changing it to not show the name??
signed....a very frustrated lowrance supporter... |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | In your current situation, the only way to fix things is to rename each one of them. I just double checked with our Lowrance Tech and he confirmed to me that's your only option if you don't want each one of them to read Icon 1, Icon 2, etc. |
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| I have been running a new HDS 7 alongside my LCX 111 for about a month now. I have had to make some of the same transfers Cory mentioned, but with slightly different results, though a similar amount of associated head pain.
I was able to save all of my info to the card and load onto the HDS 7, with all of my icons showing up as icons and all of my waypoints as numbered waypoints. There is no "icon" next to the icons. However, when I saved the info to the HDS 7, my LCX was on and networked, and it translated all of my icons into waypoints on my 111, and it showed all of my icons on that unit with 'icon' next to it. I erased the entire 111, and loaded the data from the card and I was back where I started. I then erased everything off my HDS 7 and tried it again, but with the 111 turned off. This time it worked, and when I powered the 111 back up, everything was fine.
My main issue is with my 111 being completely full of icons now and almost full of waypoints. I don't like that I now have to use a waypoint from the HDS to mark weeds or structure where I once used icons, as I always used icons for the structure I wanted to work out from, and waypoints where I'd hooked or seen fish knowing I could go right back to them. Will take a culture shift, but I've no choice but to get used to it. Now to learn to manage my icons and waypoints for my 111 now that it is full. What software program do you guys recomend as being best for this?
Cory, you might also make sure that you HDS has the newest software(3.0 I beleive). You had once mentioned that yours did not read the Lakemaster cards, which it should/will with the proper software/settings. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | ok my bad.. I will ask it in "pc" way....TJ, can you ask your Lowrance guru when and if they are ever going to make the switch over from LCX to HDS a smoother transition w/ regards to icons...makes no sense to me..why they would make it so difficult..they are losing buyers and business because of it....true statement. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Brad, I'd assume Lowrance figured no one marks icon or waypoint every 10 feet along a weedline. That would be my guess. Isn't a locator suppose to be used to travel along a weedline? This is so very intriguing to me to think some guys have all these icons marking weedlines. Use your sonar, watch your depth and go.
I've never had a problem filling mine, along with many many others I know who have never had issues.
Reef, we've covered this issue, how do I know this? I made the same very phone call to a Lowrance Tech about this exact issue, it's been covered. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Majority of the pros use a NavPlanner. Navionics just came out with NavPlanner2, check it out.
http://www.navionics.com/MarineFeatures_NavPlanner2.asp |
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Location: Contrarian Island | Many many many guys use the GPS exactly the way I do ... 1000 icons is nothing...take a 10,000 acre lake and mark it up...it will be filled....I'm not bitching..it's an honest question that I think your Lowrance engineer would have thought thru... I'm no engineer but it seems asss backwards to take icons from one unit and not have them be transferred as icons to the "newer/better" unit....doesn't it???
they are losing customers for many reasons and this is one of them.... |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | lambeau - 8/19/2010 9:04 PM
I'd assume Lowrance figured no one marks icon or waypoint every 10 feet along a weedline. That would be my guess. Isn't a locator suppose to be used to travel along a weedline? This is so very intriguing to me to think some guys have all these icons marking weedlines. Use your sonar, watch your depth and go, this isn't rocket science.
oh my, please tell me you didn't just say that.
maybe i'm crazy, but sometimes i like to know where the rock point or the inside weed turn is at without putting my boat ON TOP of it...
USE A WAYPOINT! I use the Navionics NavPlanner2. If I'm at a lake and I lay down a bunch of waypoints, then I save them to a card and bring them back to put on the computer. Load the files you need before you go next time, that's how all the pros do it! Make sure to start fresh with an empty unit and an empty SD card each time.
Not having the Icon feature sucks, but not all Lowrance users use the unit like you. Ask any of the bass guys how they use there unit, I'll bet you it has something to do with them! |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I sure in the heck don't have a problem following a weedline without an icon/waypoint every 10 ft. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | then you don't fish enough. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Brad, from talking with some of the biggest bass guys out there, when they find a spot they will use in a tournament, they simply put a waypoint in. Meaning that is a spot they'd come back to during the tournament. Watch Bassmaster on ESPN sometime, they talk about this numerous times throughout a season. They don't lay out trails along a weedline I promise you that!
Edited by TJ DeVoe 8/19/2010 9:15 PM
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Location: Racine, Wi |
 Gotta say, I'm with Cory, Brad, and Reefer on this one. I have waaaay too many icons on my GPS, and guess what, I use my locator at the same time as the GPS as well as chewing gum. Talk about multi tasking. Although, I do have a tendency to screw the words up to songs that I'm singing while looking at the GPS, locator, chewing gum though, so I'll have to work harder on this.
However, I'm not a pro by any means, so that may discredit any of what I mentioned above. Icons like Lambeau said, make it much easier to map a spot once..... review the icons, then go back and fish it pretty well the first time through. Plus, it gives me something to do on the deep clear lakes on a glass calm sunny day when all I have is warm beer in the cooler. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Joel, I use tracks. Lay out icons/now waypoints and connect the track through the waypoint. So, then all I have to do is follow the track I used, putting down a waypoint on an inside turn or something that is of significance along the way. I then save the tracks and can pop out the card for a particular lake or area I'm fishing. This saves me 100's of icons and waypoints, plus I have a track to put my arrow on and follow, pretty easy if you ask me, that's if your "good" enough to stay on the track!
Edited by TJ DeVoe 8/19/2010 9:20 PM
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| a "waypoint" is just a spot on the map represented by a little blue circle.
an "icon" is just a spot on the map represented by a picture (weed, fish, rock, etc.)
and here's some secret-squirrel info for you TJ: sometimes a piece of structure has more than one kind of element, thus making it kinda handy to distinguish between them visually with the little picture thingys rather than the little blue circles.
in all seriousness, as someone who cut my GPS teeth using Garmin units, i never really did understand the false distinction that Lowrance made between "waypoints" and "icons" in the first place...and Humminbird that i use now has never done so either; it's more work manually selecting the picture to represent each point up front, but they all transfer from unit to unit with the picture - even across generations.
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| You guys must lack the ability to use your locator then, I sure in the heck don't have a problem following a weedline without an icon/waypoint every 10 ft.
it's true, you can "follow" a weedline pretty easy without icons.
of course, "fishing" it is a different matter entirely.
and a track tells me where my BOAT was at, not where to focus my casts...
i gotta get to bed...gonna be up awhile chuckling over this one tho.
Edited by lambeau 8/19/2010 9:25 PM
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I know what a waypoint is or represents. All I'm saying is, you can save 100's of icons/waypoints doing some things differently. I like using the tracks, then you can actually see the piece of structure and how you ran it much more defined.
If the structure has some secret-squirrel info Lambeau, then mark it a waypoint for that inside turn or rock pile or whatever it is that makes that spot special. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | good enough to stay on a track? are the fish in your world TJ always located the same place on the weedline..they would never be 2 casts lengths in ..or maybe 1 cast length off the weedline?
how your boat ran a the structure imo does not tell you how the structure lays out ...not at all..icons draw out the structure so you can see it, visualize it, and then fish it correctly....
I guess in my world my boat doesn't always follow the same track..
maybe you catch more bass than me.
Edited by BNelson 8/19/2010 9:30 PM
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Location: Racine, Wi | Sorry TJ, I'm not good enough to stay on the track. I only run a Crestliner with a set of 14' oars off of each side (yeah, their long, but I'm pretty long too, so it helps leverage everything out) so it gets tough following the same track every time.
On a more serious note, do you always fish a spot the same way? Jump on a trail and giddy up. Like Mike said, there could be a big pile of boulders on a rock bar that has smaller rocks on the rest of it, a patch of weeds on a sand flat, a rockpile within a weed flat, a sunken boat suspended 16' down over 30' of water (don't ask, but the spot puts out fish and my icon lets me know where it is on that flat)..... You get the point.
I'm sure the pros who are fishing for fish that have a much higher density in the waters can lay a waypoint on a spot as there are fish all over the place so they don't necessarily have to pay attention to every last detail in a weedline, however in musky fishing, those little details pay off in consistent fishing. Hopefully one day, I'll be able to create a trail on my GPS and follow it well enough to catch one or two more though.
Edited by tuffy1 8/19/2010 9:29 PM
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| If the structure has some secret-squirrel info Lambeau, then mark it a waypoint for that inside turn or rock pile or whatever it is that makes that spot special.
hay de mi.
more info is ALWAYS better, TJ. why would you argue for LESS info???
a single waypoint can't speak to cast angles, depth relationships, bottom transition points, subtle changes, etc., that contextual icons give you.
sometimes the water is dark and you can't see those things with your eyes.
sometimes it's night and you can't see anything with your eyes.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Brad, the track is a reference man, that's all. If I want to back off the track and and be out deeper then I simply go around the track, not being right on the line, or if I want to be up shallower, I use the track as reference and the arrow will be inside of the track. I'm using the track the same way your using the icons, but with much less clutter on my screen. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I guess I'm no tthe only one who didn't pick up on your track thingy...
exactly Joel...it's all the little details that give the guys who boat the most fish the edge....very true, Lambeau..more info the better..to say that using 1000 icons on one 5000 acre lake is somehow wrong just simply crax me up....
Edited by BNelson 8/19/2010 9:33 PM
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Location: Racine, Wi | But if you only fish 300 acre lakes Brad, Those icons clutter things up much more.  |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I put an icon down every 3 feet on those lakes Joel... I like bass |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | I lay a track down the same way you do with icons. If something of importance, ie a rock pile, or that patch of weeds on a sand flat, or a rock pile within a rock pile or that sunken boat that's suspended 16 feet down over 30 feet, Joel, then mark a waypoint or icon. The track is used the same way, but with 100's of less icons and way points. Not only do I have the track, but I also have the sweet spot marked.
I've sat in the boat with Doc Samson, probably the single best electronics user on the planet and he doesn't lay down icons for a weed line or a rock bar. He maps with tracks.
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Location: Cudahy, Wisconsin | Lambeau, where did you find the "declutter icons" option? I could not find it on my 797si. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | TJ, one of these days I'll learn the water I'm fishing, then I'll take up golf because I'm going to need something to keep me even more bored than I'll be from knowing soo much about a lake that I can catch fish at will.
I don't use my GPS all that much to tell you the truth, but when fishing at night, learning a new lake quickly, or when I find something new in a lake I've been fishing for a while, I lay some icons down to get a good image of it.
All the guys above are accomplished musky dudes, so apparently using icons isn't all that bad as they all put nice fish in the net year after year. Hopefully we can all learn to use tracks so we can be as accomplished as yourself with our boat control one of these days. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Joel, I'm not saying what your doing and how your doing it doesn't work. Going back to the original post by Cory, he's having issues with all his icons from his LCX unit transferring over to way points that read ICON 1, ICON 2 etc.
I've been running two HDS-8's this year, I've had to adjust without the icon button myself. So, I have found by laying down a track, it's just as efficient and in my opinion better than using icons. Lay the track down, use the way point button to mark a sweet spot or fish or whatever it may be.
I use the track as a reference point, by no means is it the all knowing, have to be on that track follow that depth kinda deal, we all know fish can move and change locations within a piece of structure. I lay the track down, giving me a reference to how the structure lays. I then can move up shallower or go deeper by adjust my boat and using my arrow. I have an LGC-4000 gps puck for a reason, it updates 5 times per second, that's 4 times faster than the LGC-3000 the LCX/LMS units use.
Also, by using a track, your screen will be much less cluttered and won't take up those valuable waypoints/icons. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I fished with Doc Samson several times, and he literally maps structure using a Panasonic computer and special software hooked up to his Lowrance units. Tracks with waypoint marks for transitions (we were prefishing for a Walleye tournament, so waypoints for fish of consequence, too)were key to what I saw him doing, from my memory he was not laying out a trail of breadcrumbs using icons. The guy figured out, set the tracks, and mapped some very complex structure in 3 runs, and even mapped out small areas a few feet across where boulders were. lambeau, it was the entire run around Anderson Island on the Goon.
I looked over the tracks on the screens one Pro at Akaska used who is very well known for 'extreme contour trolling' and he was definitely using tracks marked with occasional waypoints where fish were contacted in practice and during the event. If one wishes to take the patch of submerged invisible willows 10' under the surface on the inside, that track and inside mark is where one goes, outside, then that one, over the top...you get the idea. The exact distance the board was held from the boat, and amount of line out for depth his presentation was holding as he ran the exact line he wanted to troll was really critical to keep from wasting time retrieving a board from a break-off caused by misjudging the track and position of varies structure along it. Every bit as sophisticated as what has been described here. He took second.
Just what I have seen recently in play with two of the top walleye guys out there. |
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Location: Cudahy, Wisconsin | When was the last time he cashed a check?? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | TUFFY - 8/19/2010 10:10 PM
When was the last time he cashed a check??
Who? Doc? |
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