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| Just wondered if you find a nice area, and catch a lot of pike, can or will
there be muskies present also? Have found some nice weedbeds, and catch
an abundance of decent pike from them, but no muskies..
Just wondered if anyone else has found this, or can you get both in one area..
thanks
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| Of course they can. |
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Location: The desert | No. |
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| Oh yeah! Most of the spots I catch Muskies on hold very nice pike! |
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| I know that they will occupy the same spot of course but I read something from Bucher and he said if your seeing and catching more pike than muskie in a area your odds are better in another spot! another thing I have noticed is that soon as the muskies shut off and I see them starting to porpose alot shortly there after the pike start to get aggressive! maybe hit that spot earlier than normal and see if that works! |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Yes to a point. If they are "dinks" then no. I fished a lake and kept catching hammer handle pike one right after another. They it stop and then we raised and caught muskies. Of course, no fish will ever hang around if some other fish can eat them |
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Location: Home of the 2016 World Series Champion Cubs | Based on the fact that my partner once hooked a 29" pike that got t-boned by a much larger Muskie and taken for a ride before the Muskie let the pike go, I'd have to say yes. |
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| It was weird, spot looked great, kept getting hit, thinking it was a ski, nope,
just some nice pike..
Just would think there would be both.
definitely will try some different times, and maybe throw a bait that looks like
a pike too!!
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| May just be me, but if I catch a pike I have never caught a Muskie on the same day (same lake). Like I said I'm sure it's just me. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | I agree with bucher/lls for the most part but I have caught a little snakie then a ski on back to back casts. |
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| Almost every year that my group travels north of the border we get at least one pike that gets hammered by a musky while trolling lindy's. Where you find bait you find predators. |
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| bassinbob84 - 7/26/2010 10:12 PM
I agree with bucher/lls for the most part but I have caught a little snakie then a ski on back to back casts.
yah, I think I would'nt look too much into it! I know fishing some of the smaller lakes I like to fish sometimes some days all you see is dink northerns and then the next day on the same spot you see a bunch of muskies and some of them are dinks too! |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | bassinbob84 - 7/26/2010 11:12 PM
I agree with bucher/lls for the most part but I have caught a little snakie then a ski on back to back casts.
Same here. 24" pike then a 46" muskie on back to back casts, same bait.
I will say though, that if I'm into a bunch of dinks, I tend to move. May or may not be wise, but I do it. |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Caught a musky in a spot next to a rock than two casts later nailed a pike in the same exact spot. |
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Location: Lake Minnetonka | Just had this experience on Vermillion last weekend. Day 1, found a bunch of muskies in the prime ambush places you would expect them to be. That night a big storm, rain and cold temps rolled through and the next day, pike after pike after pike in those same spots including a 38 and 41 in the boat. So that same day moved to where warmer water is (in the same general area) and there the muskies were again. Next day, was the 2nd straight day of stable warm weather fished prime places again, and no pike but the muskies were back.
So our theory, is when those water temps drop, most, not all muskies, move to deeper water or hunker down in the weeds, and the pike move into those prime spots. Muskies comfort zone is warmer water temps than pike. When you get a couple days of stable warm weather, water temps go back up, they move back from deep and hunkered in the weeds to back up on the rocks and deep weedlines. The prime spots.
Of course there can be pike where muskies are, but in general, if we are catching multiple pike we get out of there and fish different kinds of spots. If you time it right, you can hit a feeding frenzy of muskies moving back from the deep and from being hunkered. Happened to us this last weekend. |
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| foulpole18 - 7/26/2010 10:10 PM
May just be me, but if I catch a pike I have never caught a Muskie on the same day (same lake). Like I said I'm sure it's just me.
Caught 2 very nice pike on the same day without seeing a musky. It's not just you. |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | I find muskie and Pike will congregate on the same spot, but I typically find they are not ON the spot at the same time. I think if the muskie have transitioned out of the prime spot and suspend over open water, the pike move to their feeding positions, and when the Muskie move back onto the spot, the pike move back off. I personally have never raise as many muskie at the same time as raising pike... especially little hamerhandles. Large pike might be a different story though. |
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| On LOTW, we have one spot that we've nicknamed "slime saddle" because of our propensity to catch pike on it....but we keep fishing it because it's produced some nice muskies as well. It's always a bad sign to be catching pike off of our prime milkrun spots, but it happens sometimes. When it does, we've learned to fish deeper water just out from the prime structure on those spots (away from the pike infested prime structure) and we've been rewarded with some nice muskies that way. When the muskies are "on", we don't catch any pike.
Back to the original question, pike and muskies will definitely inhabit the same areas. If the spot looks great and holds baitfish and is in close proximity to deeper water, you can bet that muskies will frequent it, and you shouldn't shy away from it just because you are catching pike. But shallow weedy bays that are not directly adjacent to deeper water tend to be snake pits, and in my experience are not good areas for muskies unless it's early in the season. Proximity to deeper water seems to be the key ingredient. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | My experience is that Pike and Muskie habits vary from lake to lake. The two species are often together on some lakes and nowhere near each other on other lakes.
For instance, we often find Muskies and Pike together on Minnetonka. More times than not, if we are finding Pike, then the Muskies are in the area too. That happened the last time out when we didn't see a Muskie until we caught a few Pike and then it was game on.
I've also seen other lakes where one needed to move if one started catching many Pike. Why, I have no idea.
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Location: Houlton, WI | If you find quality pike in a area chances are there are muskies there. |
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| Yes. The larger pike are often feeding on the same prey as the muskies. |
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Location: WI | I caught a 36" musky, made a 2nd pass through the same weedbed and got a mid 20" pike in the same area. If I'm getting lots of small pike I might try something different. I don't mind catching them, I just don't like em dulling my hooks up. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | I've caught a 36" pike less than 1 minute of having a follow from a 40" muskie. There is a lake by me that has pike, muskie and TONS of gar. If there are gar around, there are usually no muskies though. |
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| Just this year at Sabaskong. 1st cast with a Slopmaster nice Muskie. Released, and next cast the exact same spot hooked a very nice Northern. Day before we raised a low 40 Muskie, and shortly after had a 35-37 Northern miss a lure, not 8' apart. Many times we've caught Northerns and Muskies off the same structure. |
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| For me it's been one or the other, at least as far as spots are concerned. Might be different with the bigger pike, but if we're catching dink pike one after the other on a spot? Not a muskie in sight. Also seems to me pike are ALWAYS eating somewhere. The days when the whole food chain is active, though? It's just a matter of location. If the eagles are feeding and the loons are feeding and the bass are eating and the pike are eating? It's been my expericence that the muskies are eating too. Maybe not in the same spots as the pike, but of you find them, they are active.
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I beleive a good spot is a good spot. At any given time any predator fish could use it. When the big guy shows up the spot is generally turned over to him/her. The exception to this rule I have experienced more wolf pack tendacies in Northerns than in Muskie. And feel that when several larger N.P. show up ...well a full house beats a pair no matter how big the pair can be. |
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | We've seen the same thing in Ontario on trout water, where on a weather change the muskies shut down and the pike started to hit on this sunken island with cabbage on top. Same thing on a steep rocky shore, and even over soft bottom deep 35-40 foot flats . Seems to be rare in that lake to get both biting on the same spot at the same time even though they have to both be present.
LOTW in fall, we found muskies on rocks next to weeds and pike in the weeds next to rocks but the two never seemed to be in the same place at the same time, close, but not that close.
In Wis. I have less reservations about catching nice pike and muskies in the same spot, but the pike are generally deeper in summer. Maybe it's a function of lake size. |
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| Dave T. - 7/26/2010 6:24 PM
Just wondered if you find a nice area, and catch a lot of pike, can or will
there be muskies present also? Have found some nice weedbeds, and catch
an abundance of decent pike from them, but no muskies..
Just wondered if anyone else has found this, or can you get both in one area..
thanks
Dave
Muskies eat pike, so the answer is yes! |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | I have raised a 40" musky and caught a small pike from the exact same area within 5 minutes while casting a small river from shore, so yes. |
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| yeah sometimes
but its rarely a good news when pike are near a good sky spot |
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