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| Lake Bemidji has been cut from the MN stocking list due to lack of funds. Quite a few people I know, (mostly Muskies Inc. members) have been throwing around ideas about fundraisers, other options for continued stocking on the lake to help keep a stable musky population. I know first thing would be to get DNR permission to stock fish. IF permission is granted, what would be some good ideas for fund raiser to help achive this goal? Any and all ideas appreciated.
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| in that part of the state,,gun raffles!!! not a joke,,in outstate people love guns especially deer rifles |
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Location: Big Falls MN | Happy Hooker is rite gun raffles work very well to raise one money. |
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
I can't see permission being a problem. You pay for it and stocking continues, not a matter of needing approval to keep a program going.
What is the current expense of stocking Bemidji? Right now we stock a 1000 acre lake. It costs our club $5000/year.
Maybe this will be a wake-up call to all those who continually bad-mouth MI and won't join due to personal issues.
The organization is about the muskie fishery, not about individuals.
JS
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Location: Contrarian Island | JS, The DNR has been putting in app. 1850 muskies every other year in Bemidji...
which if my math is right is going to take about $20k every other yr to keep up that amount as I believe you get muskies for about $10-11 each ???
if it is being cut, it makes no sense why they would cut this lake over some others that are not producing the fish like this lake has in the last 10+ yrs.
Edited by BNelson 7/22/2010 10:31 AM
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| ---Maybe this will be a wake-up call to all those who continually bad-mouth MI and won't join due to personal issues.---
Well that makes me want to join.
Plenty of ways to fund it if you can get enough people interested in the cause. Look what Operation Muskie does each year. Takes a hard working dedicated person to run it, though. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | It would probably be much less expensive to work w/ the MN-DNR and donate the money they need to keep the lake on the list instead of purchasing 1800 fish. If it's a matter of keeping minnows in their bellies that shouldn't be a problem for a chapter to raise the money. |
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The DNR is buying many of it's muskies that it stocks now. It costs the DNR about the same per fish to raise them and stock them as to buy them.
If this is going to be an annual expense that needs to be filled, and I see no reason why it won't be due to the State's financial situation, than a dedicated group will need to take care of this and whatever other muskie shortfalls will be coming in the future.
Nice; you may not like my blunt statement but there is truth to it.
Many people won't be part of MI due to issues that I would consider petty and insignificant. That's very unfortunate. Most of them are due to being competative and not being able to get along in a group of people that don't all have the same points of view. Kind of like a church congregation. Not everyone at my church may get along personally or ideologically but they all come together for common belief and purpose.
It's to bad more anglers can't do that.
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| the earlier poster is correct that fund-raising on that scale on an ongoing basis takes a lot of dedication to the cause, hard work, and effective awareness raising.
many local Muskies Inc chapters quietly do this kind of thing to benefit their fisheries every year. i donate every year to stocking efforts in both WI and MN through Muskies Inc, it's amazing what gets accomplished on the local level.
the Bemidji-Cass chapter of Muskies Inc seems to be an obvious group to make some effort on this issue, if they were to organize something i know i'd start contributing every year.
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| Interesting reading...
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/aboutdnr/budget/fy10-11/budget_from.pdf
Being I live in Minnesota, I seem to be contributing to several of the big tax categories (already) that fund the Minnesota DNR (already)...
Looks like Pawlenty cut 0.0035325 % for fiscal years 2010-2011 and this translates to Bemidji being one of the cuts.
Seems there is money to buy land for a state park up on the Big V.
Why not push for a non-resident musky stamp of lets say $100.00 for each out of stater?
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| Were any other lakes cut from muskie stocking? |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | john skarie - 7/22/2010 12:15 PM The DNR is buying many of it's muskies that it stocks now. It costs the DNR about the same per fish to raise them and stock them as to buy them. I hope they're getting a really good deal on them. The cost per fish here isn't anywhere close to the cost from someone like MN Muskie farm. Fundraising: I saw this on some guides webiste and thought it was cool! "The muskie waters in Michigan wouldn't be what they are without the work on Preservation, Restoration and Education of Michigan Muskie Alliance. 10% of my guide fee from every trip is donated to Michigan Muskie Alliance."
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | The DNR has an optional Walleye stocking stamp people can buy when they buy their license. How about having an optional Muskie stocking stamp? I would think $15 would be appropriate for those people who would be willing to contribute the price of an average priced Muskie lure.
What do you all think?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | How does one then direct where the stocking fund dollars from the stamp go? JS, is that really an option? |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | non resident stamp for 100$$???
good luck with that one buddy |
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Location: Grand Forks ND | Herb_b - 7/22/2010 12:44 PM
The DNR has an optional Walleye stocking stamp people can buy when they buy their license. How about having an optional Muskie stocking stamp?
All for it!! |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I would be all for a non resident musky stamp that would go directly to stocking MN musky lakes....$100 might be a bit much but I think a $20-40 range could fly....
also, imo musky guides should also be asked to buy some sort of musky stamp etc..as they are making money off there being muskies in a lake to begin with...
A musky stamp to me seems simple but i'm sure logistically it could be a huge undertaking but with state budgets being cut more and more will more and more lakes be on the chopping block in the future...I agree with JS ...imo Muskies Inc does far more good for our muskies waters than anything negative some people have issues with
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I would think the funds would go to the DNR to use for Muskie stocking.
Just doing a little math: If there are 150,000 Muskie anglers in MN and one third of them (50,000) bought a $15 stamp, that would add up to $750,000 for Muskie stocking. And that is only about the price of one moderately priced Muskie lure for each fisherman. Seems doable, doesn't it?
How much is the DNR Muskie stocking budget right now? Might it be possible that we could support much of the Muskie stocking in this way? |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | There are other options too. For instance, how about some kind of Muskie bumper stickers that could be sold at retail stores such as Gander Mountain, Thornes, Reeds, Cabelas, etc. The proceeds could be sent directly to the DNR. People could then put the stickers on their vehicles, boats, trailers, etc to show their support for Muskie stocking.
I'd buy at least a couple of them. One on the boat, one on the truck, maybe somewhere else. 
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| Could you provide where this information came from? |
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| I'm fairly certain this is a misunderstanding. |
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| john skarie - 7/22/2010 11:15 AM
Nice; you may not like my blunt statement but there is truth to it.
Many people won't be part of MI due to issues that I would consider petty and insignificant. That's very unfortunate. Most of them are due to being competative and not being able to get along in a group of people that don't all have the same points of view. Kind of like a church congregation. Not everyone at my church may get along personally or ideologically but they all come together for common belief and purpose.
It's to bad more anglers can't do that.
JS
This is exactly the reason I havent joined the local chapter of MI. In principle I think they can do good things, but many of the individuals that I had the displeasure of meeting were not worthy of spending my time with. It's unfortunate, I had hopes that I could share ideas, spots, and a boat with some other people that had a similar interest, but each of these people were more concerned about themselves than anyone else.
I dont need any help catching muskies, but I am quite put off by my ambition to share with other people and then they just look down your nose to you for doing so or do not reciprocate. Heck, I would take paper maps and highlight them for people that were interested in musky fishing and give them some ideas.
All I got in return was "I caught it on Lake X"
Whatever, I learned what these folks were good for and they were just in it for themselves.
I like the stamp idea and I think it would do well, but what about making the out of state guides actually pay state sales taxes? There is a loophole that allows them to be here for a certain number of months and get by without claiming income here. If the state received some of this money, perhaps these cuts wouldnt have been made.
IMO it is a tragedy that Bemidji is cut from the list. Maybe there are other factors that led the DNR to selecting it, perhaps there is sufficient natural reproduction so they felt it could sustain itself? If that is the case, I think diverting the money to lakes that do not is wise.
Personally I would like to know this answer before hurrying to dump stocked fish in there. Maybe the money would be best spent elsewhere on other lakes? How about stocking Woman Lake? There are plenty of others that come to mind too.
I would need more information that led to this decision before dipping into my pocket. But $15 is nothing, but I want to make sure my money goes where it would do the best good. |
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| Do we know if muskies actually need to be stocked in Bemidji anymore? With the significant amount of stocking that has taken place, why wouldn't there be any natural reproduction?
Why is it that the focus of MI is stocking? It should really be called Stocking Inc. Where does habitat, come into play? It's much cheeper to let the muskies do it themselves.
Also, what role did the MN DNR have in this decision?
$100 out of state stamp is crazy. |
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MI has done lots of habitat work. Not that long ago we raised over $50,000 to buy land on Leech Lake to protect a known spawning bed. We've also been involved in petitioning developments across MN that could negatively affect spawning habitat.
The "focus" of MI has been very broad in regards to muskie and other fishery issues. The Stocking Inc. comment is based on lack of information.
If you want a specific lake to be stocked than you need to have a dedicated donation, in other words write them a check that is specifically meant for stocking lake Bemidji. You need to be able to commit a certain amount of money over a certain period of years to get the O.K.
Stamp idea sounds great, but in reality not that many anglers would buy one, and it's expensive to make and distribute stamp.
It's much easier to sell a raffle ticket, people like to win something when they "donate", just the way it is.
The only real solution here is for an organization to say we'll commit X amount of dollars every other year to supplement stocking. Than it's up to the org to come up with the cash.
I don't know any details of how successful muskies are spawning on Bemidji. It most likely wouldn't be nearly good enough to keep that lake up to it's current levels of fish/acre.
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| Dont have to be Sherlock to figure this out its too much of a coincidence,,,there had to be some kind of inducement to lure Mike Habrat/tfoot up,,,prime rib sandwiches and 2 martini lunches everyday are eventually going to eat into that districts budget,,fish had to go!!
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| Bemidji can get by on natural repo????
how many of you have plans to hit leech this year,,,or Winnibigoshish people want and flock to stocked fisheries because their easier,,Tonka,Mille lacs,Vermilion have been hit HOW hard since 2000
raising money for fish isnt all the problem,,,finding private fish rearers that can PRODUCE enough fish is the bigger problem |
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| Just hold some tournaments during July & August on White Bear Lake, Tonka, ect. and raise some money for stocking the lakes up north |
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| you can get permits on TONKA IN the summer???? you got a scoop! the Bass guys have all the available permits grandfatherd in |
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| Captain - 7/22/2010 2:10 PM john skarie - 7/22/2010 11:15 AM
Nice; you may not like my blunt statement but there is truth to it.
Many people won't be part of MI due to issues that I would consider petty and insignificant. That's very unfortunate. Most of them are due to being competative and not being able to get along in a group of people that don't all have the same points of view. Kind of like a church congregation. Not everyone at my church may get along personally or ideologically but they all come together for common belief and purpose.
It's to bad more anglers can't do that.
JS
This is exactly the reason I havent joined the local chapter of MI. In principle I think they can do good things, but many of the individuals that I had the displeasure of meeting were not worthy of spending my time with. It's unfortunate, I had hopes that I could share ideas, spots, and a boat with some other people that had a similar interest, but each of these people were more concerned about themselves than anyone else.
I dont need any help catching muskies, but I am quite put off by my ambition to share with other people and then they just look down your nose to you for doing so or do not reciprocate. Heck, I would take paper maps and highlight them for people that were interested in musky fishing and give them some ideas.
All I got in return was "I caught it on Lake X"
Whatever, I learned what these folks were good for and they were just in it for themselves.
I like the stamp idea and I think it would do well, but what about making the out of state guides actually pay state sales taxes? There is a loophole that allows them to be here for a certain number of months and get by without claiming income here. If the state received some of this money, perhaps these cuts wouldnt have been made.
IMO it is a tragedy that Bemidji is cut from the list. Maybe there are other factors that led the DNR to selecting it, perhaps there is sufficient natural reproduction so they felt it could sustain itself? If that is the case, I think diverting the money to lakes that do not is wise.
Personally I would like to know this answer before hurrying to dump stocked fish in there. Maybe the money would be best spent elsewhere on other lakes? How about stocking Woman Lake? There are plenty of others that come to mind too.
I would need more information that led to this decision before dipping into my pocket. But $15 is nothing, but I want to make sure my money goes where it would do the best good.
Well thank you uhm..."captain anonymous" for proving John Skarie's point in one useless post. Also like the bit at the end where you would have all these conditions before dipping into your pocket. Yes, I am sure that your unorganized voice is going to be meaningful on that. Agree?
You miss the whole point of MI, and then demonstrate your own ego driven midget mentality with your restrictions before YOU would come forth and contribute. More and more, musky fisherman will face resource problems in the future, and MI is the only organized voice out there trying to deal with things like this. It aint all about YOU, it IS all about US, and it IS about the resource. We can all be a disorganized bunch of ineffective whiners, or we can bring some organized thought and pressure to the table. MI wasn't created to stroke people's egos or give away information, it was created to deal with problems in, and raise the potential, of the fishery. Lack of organization is part of the problem Captain Dufuss, not the solution. |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Here we go again....another open palm to the sky.
If the stocking was a planned event but was cut back or completely because of the lack of funds then it would seem that there is a known $ amount needed to complete as planned. Those dealing with the DNR should find out that $ amount and the min amount to make an effort to continue. (Might be less fish but some stocking is better than no stocking).
Sure makes you wonder why with the "lack of funds" how the Game & Fish subcommittee thought that cutting the funds raised by license's was a smart move???? |
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