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| Muskie expo just ended,,,I and other members worked the MI booth 3 days and gathered signatures for the letter and petition for the 5 new muskie waters and we did very well but not everyone Im guessing- 60% - 75% signed for the show attendees,,,there were at least 6 other stations for sign up designated by bright green flags,,Public address would regularly make the announcement to "stop at flag areas and sign for the new lakes" with a discription of what the intent was,,,However some people would not sign??? and that has me stumped??? no reason was really ever givin by anyone some would just not reply and keep walking others a simple 'no thanks",,,,And 'YES' in our booth we made it a POINT to let people know this was not a telemarket sold list but one for the DNR.,,,
every one who signed got a sticker that we put on them so other people could clearly see and get curious about.
Im just trying to understand the mindset???
You came and paid to a "Muskie specific" show,,why wouldnt you want more lakes?? to me thats like traveling to a casino and not wanting to win???
the sign up stations were not all Muskies inc booths there were regular show booths too staffed with different people with different greetings.
I could understand it if it was a general sports show with everything lumped in camping,hunting,walleye,bass,trout fishing,,but this was a muskie specific show with muskie fisherman.
it wasnt like you walked in by accident?
To me its a puzzler??
or maybe not
is it just plain old Bystander apathy?
or maybe someone else has a slant Im not seeing ???
Edited by happy hooker 4/13/2010 3:41 PM
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| Many of us have sighned at banquets,muskie shops,ect...multiple signatures by same person can nul. a petition..... |
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| I was there on Saturday,I was one of the 25-40 % that didn't sign your petition...I pay NO attention to the loud speaker,I avoid Muskies Inc. like a cult...(Been there done that many times and have gotten nothing but put downs fron the club...) I went to EVERY booth ( except muskies inc), and NONE asked me to sign a petetion! I was there to shop for lures,and equipment,talk to friends in the fishing world and meet new people...I was NOT there for your cause! I live and fish in WI,I will not fish Mn again for many years... I wish you well in your cause,60% sign rate is pretty darn good!!!! |
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Location: Bemidji | I had three people that wouldnt sign the form. One guy was from WI and only fished Tonka and said that it didn't affect him. I further explained that the more lakes that got stocked the pressure would eventually decrease a little on the lake that he fished. It seemed like it was really hard for him to make decisions on other things so that didn't surprise me.
Another guy was very interested in the lakes that were being stocked and wanted the 5 additional lakes. He said, "Maybe next time." Didn't really understand that either. Another was with another big local retailer "Joe" and said that we would never get Long Lake stocked and turned around and walked back across the isle to his booth.
All three scenarios seemed odd but it isn't a requirement that they had to sign. So three out of the 200 plus isn't bad.
A BIG thank you to all that did sign. Your support is appreciated. |
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| I think alot of people are just plain self centered and they just don't want to deal with it unfortunately! If they would just think about it for a split second they would realize it is all around better for everyone, less pressure on lakes having more lakes and in return just plain positively effects everything! |
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| Look at the total % of people who vote for ''our''president of the united states lol.
And I think you will find you did well. Some people won't vote for anything, Including things that matter to them.
Congrats on your efforts! |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I signed at Kevins booth even though I'm from Iowa I still like the chance at new waters. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Seems like a no-brainer to me. If I were there, I would've signed. Why WOULDN'T you want to have additional stocked lakes...? |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I was there for a few hours on saturday, and I never saw a sign or heard a loudspeaker, and nobody asked me at any of the booths I visited. Guess I was too fixated on the booths w/ lures, gear, etc. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Got me a green sticker.
I was asked several times, but I was there for three days. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | OK,
I'm just going to be blunt, and say: ............some people are just selfish and don't want others to enter their comfort zone,.... and some people are just plain foolish for not wanting to help others
Jerome
Edited by Top H2O 4/13/2010 10:40 PM
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| Since we are being blunt.....................Some people just think they are Holier then thou and the world needs to fall in line with their thinking or there is something wrong with them.
Read some of the posts here and on the other site. If the post is contrary to the "normal" (whatever that is) thinking the guy gets lambasted and called a fool and worse. God forbid he justs enjoys fishing for Muskie. He needs all the release tools, he needs to hold the fish perfectly, the photo needs to happen in .5 seconds, ect. ect.
While Muskie Inc. and many, many here do a real good job, there are the few fanatical guys that really turn me off. I guessing I'm not alone either. I wasn't at the show so I don't know who was pushing what. Just remember not everybody marches to the same drummer as some people here.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's a given folks will disagree. We do our very best to see to it they can do so reasonably. There's quite a community visiting here, and a city this size will contain folks of all stripes, so to speak. Wouldn't have it any other way, myself.
I was at the show, and the case as to why I should sign was properly and carefully presented. If I had said no, I'm absolutely certain no one would have given me a bit of trouble.
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | I signed the petition at the show and I would just like to applaud all of the guys that took the time out of the busy schedules to get as many signatures as they did. We need more fighters on our side if we are going to get these new waters, I know the dark house assocations are fighting us tooth and nail.
Thanks again,
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
Seems to me people should be able to seperate "fanatical" behavior that turns them off and supporting expanding muskie waters.
Nobody was asked to join MI or to change behavior in regards to muskie fishing.
Having bad feelings towards MI or other anglers shouldn't over-shadow supporting what makes sense for MN muskies and all muskie anglers who live and fish here.
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| john skarie - 4/14/2010 6:53 AM
Seems to me people should be able to seperate "fanatical" behavior that turns them off and supporting expanding muskie waters.
Nobody was asked to join MI or to change behavior in regards to muskie fishing.
Having bad feelings towards MI or other anglers shouldn't over-shadow supporting what makes sense for MN muskies and all muskie anglers who live and fish here.
JS
Well, there are a lot of things going on in people's lives today and some of us just like to fish...so when there is a constant request to send emails, fight for the cause, fight for expansion the enjoyment people seek in muskie fishing, the "getting away from it all" to just get out in nature and fish is diminished. It is not a crazed passion for everyone and the constant pressure of your not a good conservationist if you don't help me will erode at the support you previously enjoyed, especially during times that many just really need to be able to enjoy their time on the water or even just spending time with friends at the shows...BR |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I completely agree with Skarie....
So BenR signing a piece of paper in support of more musky waters is asking for too much and is somehow putting people out of time or money or anything because it just takes so much time to sign your name....BS imo... anyone who fishes for muskies whether it's 1 hour a year or 1000 should have signed the petition, no question about it... you may not like MI but this was not a MI thing...it's a musky fisherman petition
it's funny you say there are some that just want to go out and fish...um yah, it's funny that those same people will be some of the ones fishing the new lakes in MN when they get stocked from all the hard work and signatures on petitions like this done by others...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I think the point is some people don't feel obligated to support one state's or anthers battles for muskie fishing issues, or may have other reasons not to sign. It's not 'BS', it's democracy at it's finest. It's the job of the folks who want that petition signed to sway those folks if they can, and not everyone will be.
As I said, they did a great job making sure I was comfortable signing. But, that's me, and I was there. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | Ok so I'm curious what reasons a musky fisherman would have not to sign a piece of paper for more musky waters...what are they? I'm being serious..I can't think of any...so enlighten me
Edited by BNelson 4/14/2010 7:46 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Social, political, personal.
As was pointed out, quite a few people don't vote during the election for the President of the United States.
Maybe an argument with some of the folks supporting this. Maybe some folks think the muskie stocking issue should be driven by fisheries professionals, not the 'public'. Maybe some folks don't like signing their name to something they don't completely understand or have had the chance to investigate. It could be any number of reasons. As I said, Democracy at it's finest. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
Guess I see it as Steve Worrall does. Regardless of how many said no, more people signed than if people were not there pushing for it. One more name is better than one less.
So a few chose not to...no problem and honestly, no real big deal either... I see it that more signatures were obtained which the more support the better.
Its all good people....the intent to get more signatures. The result...more signatures.... Success in my book!!
Thanks to those who asked me to support and sign. I'll be honest...I didn't even know they were there doing it until I was approached....and am glad they did.
Steve
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
My point is directed towards those that come up with the "I don't like MI or the muskie elitists" responses.
I don't care who you like or don't like or why. This is about the fisheries that as fishermen I would assume we all like.
This isn't about being offended because you can't get along with MI members or think people shouldn't talk about fish handling topics that you don't agree with.
Not supporting something that you take full advantage of because you don't like somebody or a group of somebodies that do support it is simply childish.
JS
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Location: APPLETON, WI | john skarie - 4/14/2010 9:48 AM ...Not supporting something that you take full advantage of because you don't like somebody or a group of somebodies that do support it is simply childish. JS I concur. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | John,
You just made Ben's point, IMO. One can't expect everyone to support everything and everybody some think they should. I've seen great ideas and projects shot down because some folks don't like/understand/know/whatever the people trying to get them done. We almost lost the 50" limit on Pelican to that sort of thing; it was a misinformation campaign, but enough people listened for us to lose the question state wide.
We won locally, so we should be OK. I hope the effort in MN is successful too, I see no reason why it shouldn't be if the DNR is solidly behind the goal of the petition. |
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| just to clarify,,,when I posted this its was in an attempt to 'learn' more about getting people to support these types of things in the future and what follows after something like this which is the next step-"public input meetings" and if we CAN learn more about getting people behind this-improve when the next step comes.
A few references to Presidential elections and the % of people who get involved,,,however with a presidential election lets face it you are NEVER sure what your going to end up with be it Democrat,Republican,independent . The thing for me that makes it such a slam dunk is that the DNR is behind these lakes and if we look at the performance record of the Minnesota DNR muskie program and the wonderful fishery they have established out of both large AND small bodies of water the % of this being just a big positive for Muskie anglers seems like a total win,win deal.
based on the "track" record and past perfomance if this was a Horse in the Belmont this would come off has a even money favorite. |
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Location: Smith Creek | Sometimes when you put a signature and address to a piece of paper you open yourself up to annoying e-mails, spam and phone calls. Not saying that would've happened here but it may have been a concern to some. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I think to work on swaying more people is to get information from them first before bringing up the real point....find out where they stand as far as where they fish, how they fish, etc....gather more information before asking if they would like to help support the cause. I would be sure to include where the cause is based...as in this case the DNR is asking for input and looking to see if there would be enough support to move ahead with the proposed lakes.
I think much of it comes to approach....everyone is different, so getting a feel for what would work with the person at hand is a skill few have mastered...it's tough.
To be honest, (and....hindsight being 20/20) I think having a DNR fisheries manager or spokesperson there asking for input might have been helpful since for them, they really have no stake in it, other than to gather public input. They also would have the insight into the why, the overall plan for the lakes in question, etc. since they are put in charge of managing the fishery. In other words, I think they would be a little less biased in conversation, which can be a great tool in creating an environment that is maybe not so....."pushy" (for lack of a better word right now..)so to speak.
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| happy hooker - 4/14/2010 10:19 AM
just to clarify,,,when I posted this its was in an attempt to 'learn' more about getting people to support these types of things in the future and what follows after something like this which is the next step-"public input meetings" and if we CAN learn more about getting people behind this-improve when the next step comes.
A few references to Presidential elections and the % of people who get involved,,,however with a presidential election lets face it you are NEVER sure what your going to end up with be it Democrat,Republican,independent . The thing for me that makes it such a slam dunk is that the DNR is behind these lakes and if we look at the performance record of the Minnesota DNR muskie program and the wonderful fishery they have established out of both large AND small bodies of water the % of this being just a big positive for Muskie anglers seems like a total win,win deal.
based on the "track" record and past perfomance if this was a Horse in the Belmont this would come off has a even money favorite.
Well.... some muskie anglers are democrats and some are republicans and in Minnesota definatly some independants. lol. You could hold a white piece of paper up from across the room an some one would swear its black.
To expect 100% on anything is definatly positive, but not realistic.
Take the ball and run.
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Location: Eagan, MN | I just want to clarify... I would have happily signed it if I was aware of it. I know a lot of people put in a lot of work to get the signatures that they did and I applaud them.
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| Why don't we get more signatures from this site? Mail a letter in with a signature to support MN muskies. I signed it at the show, but I knew to do so before I got there. I don't remember hearing any announcements on the loud speaker about it. |
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