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I've personally had very good luck with the Top H20 from Lee's Lures. THis thing is well built and has great action!  | |||
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Posts: 2270 Location: SE, WI. | From a recent batch made...here you go!!!  If Steve only heard this one!!!Edited by jdsplasher 12/9/2009 5:44 PM Attachments ----------------  IMG_0088.jpg (59KB - 468 downloads) | ||
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Posts: 4266 | I started making my own Turds when I was just a little baby boy I have several styles, but this is my favorite even though they all have caught fish. The more I used them and played around with different designs I settled on this on for a few good reasons. First, it's not small like most of the other Turds that I see floating around. Bigger diameter moves more water. I weight them so that they sit a little lower in the water than most, this gives them a good push of water, that and the flat face. Secondly, I found that if you positioned the blade a little farther back, you added 2 new movements to a lure that most guys think are too boring. With the blade farther back, it actually will move the butt of the lure an inch or more from side to side when the blade kicks out. At the same time the blade kicks out and the butt moves, the lure will roll a little on it's side giving life to a dead lure. The way that I attach the blade to get the extra length started with a barrel swivel but has graduated to a section of bead-chain. I use a round bend hook in the front and T it, and I've gone to a double hook in the back so I can use a bigger hook without having it get in the way of the blade or chain. I've tried several types of wood, but pine seems to come out the best when it comes off of the lathe. I thought cedar would work well too but the guy who did the lathe work complained about too much splintering. I might have to find someone from the basement to make cedar bodies for me to see if it will last longer. Even with sanding sealer and 3 coats of ETex, even pike can get through to the wood. I LOVE TURDS!! Edited by Beaver 12/9/2009 8:41 PM | ||
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Posts: 4266 | OOPS Forgot the picture. This is the Megaturd body. 7" long, 1 1/2'' diameter at the head tapered to 7/8 at the butt. Edited by Beaver 12/9/2009 9:51 PM Attachments ---------------- DSC_0440.JPG (74KB - 260 downloads) | ||
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Posts: 4266 | I throw it anywhere under any conditions. I've never seen a place where it really blew away other top water lures, but I like to throw it in very shallow rocky areas and around milfoil. It's also a great lure for beginers because they don't have to worry about how to work the lure. I gave a few to some different guides a few years ago, and the consensus was it was a great lure for rookies and that they did better in the back of the boat than the front. I was surprised that all 3 made the same back of the boat comment which makes me think......follow-up lure, tournament lure/ heavy pressure lure. More hook ups on the front hook than the rear. When they eay it, they schloop it right up. JIM?????? Edited by Beaver 12/9/2009 9:52 PM | ||
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Posts: 2270 Location: SE, WI. | Beav your turd looks like a turd from Mars...LOL...looks like some kind of firefly. I like a more simple action. I do not want my rear wiggling like you like it to. I want my lure coming in straight and easy for fish to hit. If the ass end is wiggling, fish might miss it. We have many opinions. I also like the blade nice and tight to the lure. Reason being...3 things. When blade is set back, the blade tends to do the spinning thing more under water than the flipping out. 2nd I like the blade tight because of the brass, peened cap on the rear of my turd . Blade being close to body creates the clicking metallic and pinging sound from blade kicking up and contacting the brass cap. 3rd, I like the blade closer to my hooks, which should give you better hookups. Fish locks onto sonics, then attacks the moving part which is the blade/body! Many guys now are putting a metal bead in the rear of their flaptails to create the clicking sound, which I starting doing back in the 80's After fishing with Mr Steve. I also put rattles in some of my pine bodies!! I like the turd application more with a chop than calm conditions. I believe there is some kind of contrast in sound with the noise of a chop, and noise from the flaptail. I never did real good fishing flaptails in a calm condition. I think there are better baits to throw in the calm waters. I also like casting flaptails over boulders. I feel that blade noise seems to draw fish in from further away. I think the blade sound bounces off the rocks and enhances the sonics. By the way...I still remember Mr. Worrall missing 2 that day on turds. I think he did not wait till he felt the Weight!  What you think gramps?Edited by jdsplasher 12/10/2009 7:37 PM | ||
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Posts: 4266 | The butt of mine does move when the blade kicks out, but not enough to make a fish miss it. When I went to the bead chain, I got a lot more 'kick outs' per retrieve. The speed of your retieve has more to do with getting kicks vs. spinning, that's why older people are better at working flaptails. I must disagree with you about fish hitting the moving part. If that was the case, fish would hit bucktail blades more than the body. Maybe I should go with current trends and build a turd with 2 huge blades! I think that the bigger profile of my turds makes them a better target, especially in any conditions that aren't flat calm. | ||
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Posts: 2270 Location: SE, WI. | Actually beav, I built a turd with two blades back in the 80's. The sonics are unbelievable. Double brackets. I just have to have some tricks for myself... As for the moving parts, The sound comes from the blade more so than the body coming through the water. (Steves trailerHook how succesful it was)! So musky will tend to hit short, especially when the sound is in the rear. Bucktail hair, tinsel, skirting, and maribou all undulate and display a moving part, thus musky again tend to attack from the back because they are chasing. I have to say though since the DCG's came out, I hear of more musky attacking the blades...hitting 2 and 3 times before a hookup. Going back to rear sounding baits, and they do catch fish...BUT that is why I built the headbanger, a front rotating thumper style that sounds come from the front of the lure hoping I will get less short strikes. I simply, for my time on the water do not throw a tail rotating lure much anymore unless it has at least front and rear sonics. Again, we are very opinionated and thats just my findings. TIME ON THE WATER MAN!Edited by jdsplasher 12/11/2009 9:52 AM | ||
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Posts: 2270 Location: SE, WI. | Beav; Someday I'd like to see that firefly in action and see what that chain does. Maybe I'll see you on Pewaukee in 2010. By the way...the Black flaptail above sold today...thanks Charlie. | ||
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Posts: 309 Location: Elgin IL | I like the old Cisco kid toppers with brass bushings and I think these work better because the Flaptail is attached with a ballbearing and really kicks up the water.....love it in calm water Attachments ---------------- cisco kid topper_1.JPG (46KB - 285 downloads) cisco kid topper_1.JPG (46KB - 239 downloads) | ||
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Posts: 2270 Location: SE, WI. | Hello dragginhook. How's that knee replacement doing??? Brian B. you have a PM. | ||
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