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Message Subject: New Lake Saint Clair Beast
lizajane
Posted 10/30/2009 5:25 AM (#407063)
Subject: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




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Long time fisherman Tony Jaros boated a 56 1/8 X 26 48.16 Pounder..


It has been weighed by the MOMC and released...

Rainman JD
Posted 10/30/2009 5:30 AM (#407064 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 260


Location: Lockport, IL
I can't wait to see a picture of this fish!
Roughneck1860
Posted 10/31/2009 4:22 PM (#407233 - in reply to #407064)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 295


Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
Tony is the gentleman in the middle.

Tim




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Rainman JD
Posted 10/31/2009 5:37 PM (#407242 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 260


Location: Lockport, IL
Congrats on a beast! Awesome fish.
Chasin50
Posted 10/31/2009 6:26 PM (#407245 - in reply to #407242)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




Posts: 378


Location: Michigan
Thanks for posting Tim. Maybe LSC does hold a 50 pounder after all
Roughneck1860
Posted 10/31/2009 6:35 PM (#407247 - in reply to #407245)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
Chadster - 10/31/2009 7:26 PM

Thanks for posting Tim. Maybe LSC does hold a 50 pounder after all :o



I always thought our area did. Just figured it would be the River not the Lake that it comes out of.

Good Fishin'
Tim
sworrall
Posted 10/31/2009 6:46 PM (#407248 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Beautiful fish!
Figure8Phil
Posted 10/31/2009 8:51 PM (#407260 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




Posts: 39


Location: IL
Congrats Tony, Very nice Fish!
JoeC
Posted 11/2/2009 9:26 PM (#407484 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




Posts: 19


Wow... what a fish
THA4
Posted 11/3/2009 8:10 AM (#407510 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 468


Location: Not where I wanna be!
beast is right!!!
esoxfly
Posted 11/3/2009 9:17 AM (#407518 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 1663


Location: Kodiak, AK
There's no big fish in Lake St. Clair. Everyone should stay away.
woodieb8
Posted 11/3/2009 4:52 PM (#407540 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




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for years we were told lsc has skinny fish. . just think folks. thru efforts from m.c.i momc,,and m.i. and mother nature, we have achieved a fishery that has numbers and a few slobs.the job is far from done though. we still need representation to stop all the bad things. habitat loss and invasives are high on the list.
Roughneck1860
Posted 11/3/2009 5:03 PM (#407542 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
Well said George.

Tim
jay lip ripper
Posted 11/3/2009 5:27 PM (#407545 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: lake x...where the hell is it?
just wondering if he thumped it, if not how was it weighed to not hurt the fish. AWESOME LSC BEAST, congrats to tony on a fish of a lifetime.
Roughneck1860
Posted 11/3/2009 5:41 PM (#407546 - in reply to #407545)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
jay lip ripper - 11/3/2009 6:27 PM

just wondering if he thumped it, if not how was it weighed to not hurt the fish. AWESOME LSC BEAST, congrats to tony on a fish of a lifetime.


It was successfully released. A lot of the bigger boats on LSC have HUGE live wells in them. There's also a few certified scales at marinas on the lake. The fish is caught.....placed in the live well.......transported........weighed and released.

Tim
woodieb8
Posted 11/3/2009 6:30 PM (#407549 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




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the boats equipped are the best known way to date. i personally have to thank the folks implementing proper handling.. juts think the fellow that caught the fish has seen years of ,thumping and now release. hats off to that boy. i love his personal choice.
Kingfisher
Posted 11/3/2009 6:45 PM (#407553 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




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Location: Muskegon Michigan
Nice fish!! its just a matter of time now and a 50 pounder will be caught in St. Clair. I have seen up close the new 60 inch live wells that those guys are using and they are light years ahead of any other way to get a true weight and still release the fish. Several marinas have the certified scales all set up when the guys radio in that they are coming with a big fish. These live wells lift right out of the boat and set on a cart. then they wheel it to the scales and weigh the fish in a bag . They can and do take the fish right back out to the same area where they were caught for release. Hats off to a great catch and release. Kingfisher
greg m
Posted 11/3/2009 9:12 PM (#407570 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Wauwatosa, Wisconsin
that fish looks bigger than Tony!!! Kudos!
jay lip ripper
Posted 11/4/2009 1:33 AM (#407584 - in reply to #407546)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 392


Location: lake x...where the hell is it?
Roughneck1860 - 11/3/2009 5:41 PM

jay lip ripper - 11/3/2009 6:27 PM

just wondering if he thumped it, if not how was it weighed to not hurt the fish. AWESOME LSC BEAST, congrats to tony on a fish of a lifetime.


It was successfully released. A lot of the bigger boats on LSC have HUGE live wells in them. There's also a few certified scales at marinas on the lake. The fish is caught.....placed in the live well.......transported........weighed and released.

Tim



thanks. if thats how you do it then i hope you guys get the world record and release her.

Edited by jay lip ripper 11/4/2009 1:34 AM
Roughneck1860
Posted 11/4/2009 4:32 AM (#407585 - in reply to #407584)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Southern Ontario, Detroit River and Lake StClair
jay lip ripper - 11/4/2009 2:33 AM

thanks. if thats how you do it then i hope you guys get the world record and release her.


LSC is deffiantly a different lake in how it's fished and who fishes it. I'm going to say at least 60% of the Muskie boats on it are between 29' and 36' in length and they have some serious live well set ups.

Tim

Guest
Posted 11/4/2009 6:45 AM (#407588 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast


I guess I just don't dont understand why the fish needs to be weighted. If your intentions are to release it, then catch it, take a few pics and let her go. No reason to throw her in the box, drive who know how many miles in who knows what kind of waves, put the fish in a bag, weight it, back in the tank, back out in the lake, then back in the water.

Seems alot easier to me and better for the fish to just catch it, measure it, pictures, release.

Mike
sworrall
Posted 11/4/2009 7:44 AM (#407597 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Close to 50 pounds, a livewell that's set up specifically for CPR, and they released the fish. I'd guess they wanted to know.
jay lip ripper
Posted 11/4/2009 12:34 PM (#407637 - in reply to #407597)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





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Location: lake x...where the hell is it?
sworrall - 11/4/2009 7:44 AM

Close to 50 pounds, a livewell that's set up specifically for CPR, and they released the fish. I'd guess they wanted to know.


i would want to know if i could, and i am sure alot of other guys would to if we could. if your are set up for it like these guys are and can do it WITHOUT hurting the fish and its legal then weigh away! and i am willing to bet that they dont weigh every fish, just the beast like this one. plus i would like to see more pics of weighed and released big fish. so i have a better ideal of what a fish that is not weighed is. you guys up on LSC just keep doing what your doing, its obviously working.
Contender
Posted 11/4/2009 2:32 PM (#407650 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




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Location: Algonac, MI
Here are a few pics, with a FISH ThANK in use.

These live well systems have saved hundreds, if not, thousands of muskies already. And will save thousands more, as people get them. Most of the serious bigger boats on LSC have them now, and many of the smaller boats too. Once you see one in use, you will have NO reservations about them.

The concept behind them, aside from keeping fish wet. They draw fresh lake water from the keel of the boat (ie not as warm as surface temps), and this water is continuously pumped thru the tank, and is essentially aerated. Note in the pics, the head of the fish, is nearest the fresh water inlet. The drain is near the tail. This more oxygenated water is better for fish survival, than holding them on the surface, in warm less oxygenated waters. (Also much safer than hanging over side of a big boat). In the event of transport, fish is held in place, to not bang around, for the safety of the fish.

Also - NOT every fish caught is run to shore for a weight. Most people do not weigh anything, unless it is serious business. Tony's fish is the single largest muskie ever recorded on LSC on an official scale. The fact it was done on a registered and calibrated scale, with over a dozen witnesses...is priceless. No Percy Haver or Art Lawton story here. This fish measured 56 1/8" length, 26" girth and weighed 48.50 lbs. No lies, no excuses, no guestimates...and no exceptions!!! Best of all, because of the Fish ThANKS system.. she swims another day.

Best Regards
Scott D'Eath - MOMC President

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woodieb8
Posted 11/4/2009 4:19 PM (#407664 - in reply to #407063)
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good job scott.
Chas
Posted 11/4/2009 8:01 PM (#407688 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




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That truly is a remarkable fish! Congrats to the older gentleman.

Chas
Chasin50
Posted 11/5/2009 6:29 AM (#407735 - in reply to #407650)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




Posts: 378


Location: Michigan
Hats of to you, your exec council, and membersip for pushing the CPR mindset within MOMC. Big changes in a relatively short period of time. Good stuff Scott!
lambeau
Posted 11/5/2009 7:55 AM (#407741 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast


the use of a livewell is obviously going to help with a good release more than thumping the fish! and from what people who have fished there a long time describe, this is a big cultural shift on LSC for the better compared to harvesting fish in order to weigh them, especially in tournament contexts. the people who have worked to make this change have done a great thing.

at the same time, the underlying belief system is still placing a big value on weighing the fish. why is that so important? even with elaborate large livewells, the transport and weighing of a fish involves additional handling when compared to immediate release. additional handling will increase stress on the fish, and the likelihood of delayed mortality goes up - this is unequivocable.

it is possible to congratulate someone on a great catch without condoning the transport and weighing of fish as acceptable "because someone wants to."
it's absolutely okay to question the "need" to weigh a fish (especially for tournaments!) and also okay to suggest that people consider not weighing fish or transporting them at all.


Edited by lambeau 11/5/2009 7:59 AM
sworrall
Posted 11/5/2009 8:09 AM (#407742 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: Re: New Lake Saint Clair Beast





Posts: 32934


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
lambeau,
I believe it was mentioned that not many fish ARE weighed any more, and therefore not many transported. I agree on the tournament context, bump boards work really well. paul Hartman has it right.

'Also - NOT every fish caught is run to shore for a weight. Most people do not weigh anything, unless it is serious business. Tony's fish is the single largest muskie ever recorded on LSC on an official scale. The fact it was done on a registered and calibrated scale, with over a dozen witnesses...is priceless. No Percy Haver or Art Lawton story here. This fish measured 56 1/8" length, 26" girth and weighed 48.50 lbs. No lies, no excuses, no guestimates...and no exceptions!!! Best of all, because of the Fish ThANKS system.. she swims another day.'

The new well systems described seem to have been devised primarily to allow anglers fishing from BIG boats to unhook to CPR the fish while keeping it in fresh, oxygenated water, something one can't do easily or at all; these are sorta like what we would consider 'salmon boats'.
Contender
Posted 11/5/2009 8:24 AM (#407744 - in reply to #407063)
Subject: RE: New Lake Saint Clair Beast




Posts: 360


Location: Algonac, MI
It is cleary ok, to question anything you want. We live in a great country, and can do that, its' our right. No one here stated, it couldn't be debated.

The large livewell systems, scope far beyond fish transport and the need to weigh a fish. In fact, well over 99.9% of all fish caught on LSC, are never weighed or transported. These large livewells, are mainly used, to resusitate fish, after capture, on larger boats. (old school was laying them on the floor until release) These tanks are far more valuable tools, than just for transport. My boat does NOT leave the dock, without it on board.

This year, I have boated 250-280 skis, and all of them went back, AOK. We did transport two fish, in tournaments, (both length tournys, not weight) and they went back strong, because of the tanks. Hypothetically... if those two fish died. 2 out of say 275. The release ratio is still 99.993%.... which is exceptional.

Our biggest issue on LSC, is not tournament fisherman killing fish, because of transport and delayed mortality. This accounts for a very a small percentage of the mortaility.

Mortality on LSC is as follows, order not specific: 1) VHS, 2) Newbie fisherman whacking the first big 48+" ski they ever see. 3) Non-muskie anglers, killing them because they eat walleye & perch, and 4) Wapole Island Natives gill netting for tribunal rights. (the last accounts for untold mortality..as gill nets do NOT discriminate)

Last - the best part. Being we live in such great countries (Canada & US), you have a choice whether or not to particiapte in these events, where transport is permitted. Being you have a choice, no disrepect should come if you choose to do it, or choose not to. For those who choose to do so, this is the best system we have come up with to date.

Edited by Contender 11/5/2009 8:35 AM
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