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| Are any of you guys paid members of the WRMA? Have any of you become members since the Louis Spray fiasco or made any contributions to the WRMA?
I'm just wondering if there IS an actual membership or even a following of this organization. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | There is an actual membership for WRMA, I know a few of the guys on this site are members and Steve Worrall made it on the "prominent members" list! http://www.worldrecordmuskiealliance.com/2009_WRMA_Application.pdf is the application, if you're interested. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Check out the site and look around. http://www.worldrecordmuskiealliance.com/index.html WRMA is more than just about verifying the current records. Look at the Beyond the Records tab and also the Simcoe Project tab give you some good information. I believe once the records are dealt with that great things will come from the WRMA concerning fisheries and management issues.
Edited by Will Schultz 7/31/2009 9:27 AM
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| It's pretty tough to verify a 50 or 60 year old catch. |
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| Thanks for the links to the WRMA. I am very aware of their website.
Doesn't seem like they had much luck getting the Spray fish removed from the record book. With all the evidence they had against it, Louie still holds the FWFHF record. WRMA never had much of a follow up after the Hall refused to disqualify Spray. They never were able to get public pressure to remove an obviously bogus record.
I was just wondering IF there is anyone who actually supports the WRMA with financial contributions or even supports it mission AT ALL......
The Alliance began with much fanfare but never seemed to get very much public or industry media support.
Haven't heard much from them since.
I've yet to meet anyone who claims to be a contributing member.
Are there any???
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| I believe this group is also about the establishing of legitimate standards of measuring and weighing for future fish caught of record quality. This would be to avoid any possible doubt regarding the accuracy of present day fish that are caught that are in this class, and avoid situations such as we have with the Spray fish, Johnson fish, O'Brien fish, etc. The last I heard, nobody has caught a single fish that met this organization's minimum criteria to be considered a "record". There are a lot of prominent members, and the organization is supported/endorsed by Muskies Inc. |
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| Lens Creep says;
"I believe this group is also about the establishing of legitimate standards of measuring and weighing for future fish caught of record quality."
The group you refer to is part of a separate org. that Larry Ramsell is involved in and promoting.
I don't believe the WRMA is associated or a promotes that group.
Are you a member of the WRMA Lens Creep?
Is ANYBODY?? Who are THEY?? |
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| If as you say, the WRMA is supported by MI, are they supported by the International or by individual chapters of MI?
If MI does or did support WRMA, why did they, or do they, allow the travesty of the Spray record to remain without any major lobbying of the FWFHF to remove his bogus fish in the face of the overwhelming evidence that it is not as large as claimed? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | Guest - 8/1/2009 9:18 AM
Who are THEY??
Who are you? Why would anyone care that you are interested?
Kevin
I'm a proud member of the GRSS. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Hopeful, well said. I'm a member, and I don't think this inquiry has any intent but to be anonymously negative, and since it wasn't placed to a member or to the WRMA is nothing more than sniper activity.
'If MI does or did support WRMA, why did they, or do they, allow the travesty of the Spray record to remain without any major lobbying of the FWFHF to remove his bogus fish in the face of the overwhelming evidence that it is not as large as claimed?'
Because no one can change the mind set of the Hayward Hall no matter what the evidence. Not too hard to figure out why.
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| Hopeful......I would think that ANY member of the WRMA would care that I am interested...no matter WHO I am.
Steve, this is not intended to be a negative, necessarily.
Since you are a member, I will address the question to you. Is there a membership that supports the WRMA? Are they a credible, viable organization? Are they currently doing anything about the current records?
Has WRMA has been working on the Cal Johnson fish for the last 3 years, since Spray??
As a supporter of the WRMA goals with regard to the records I'm frustrated that
there is no info available about just what is happening.
Jerry Newman posted awhile back that they are in fact "working"........why the secrecy?
I know a lot of you guys don't care...but aren't those who DO care wondering what's up??? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Q1) Yes
Q2) Yes
Comment 1) No news because this is a slow moving process, not an event
Comment 2) No secrecy...just no new items to report.
Comment 3) Apparently not. |
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| Thanks Steve.
I guess you're right. No one is wondering apparently.
It will be interesting to see the reaction if & when the Cal Johnson fish is shown to be just as bogus as the Spray fish. |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | I carry the registration book (like 10 pages of criteria) in my tackle box in a zip lock. I fish Green Bay often and I hope someday I am fortunate enough to be on the water and be able to help them meet all the strict guidelines to make the WRMA records...I will be calling Steve and Ramsell right away too. I have a few DNR numbers in my phone too.
Sometimes my friends get on the subject and I give them the book to read and their jaw drops in the water.
We have had discussions about ziplocking 2 nets together for a big in the water livewell. I have thoughts about building a 70" temporary livewell in the floor of my trolling boat.
It sure would be nice for someone to finally get a big one and leave the Spray crap for the FFHF history books.
Edited by Jomusky 8/1/2009 12:26 PM
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| I thought this WAS the organization that Larry Ramsell is part of. That is the one MI endorses. Maybe I'm mistaken and this is a different entity entirely. I was refering to Larry's organization in my earlier post, and appologize for any confusion. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | In my ever so humble opinion, and please, no one take this the wrong way... but who cares? Go fish.  |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Muskies, Inc took no action in regards to the Spray fish. He (Spray) was not a member and while MI promotes trophy fisheries, it does not care about record fish from folks other than its members.
That said the MI Intl did vote to support the rules written for the new modern day record program submitted by Larry Ramsell (at the last minute & without review of the rules). No, I do not know why they did or cared for Larry Ramsell program. The vote was for support only and no money was ever given to Larry Ramsell's organization.
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| Lens Creep, Larry Ramsell was a prominent member of the WRMA at one time. I don't believe he is any longer. His name is off the masthead. The WRMA is not involved in keeping records. Larry's modern day record program is hoping to.
Jomusky, I hope an actual 67lb.+ musky comes from somewhere. I admit that I hope it is kept and verified and scrutinized thoroughly.
muskie nut, thanks for the info about the MI support.
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| PSYS - 8/1/2009 2:35 PM
In my ever so humble opinion, and please, no one take this the wrong way... but who cares? Go fish. :)
I agree who needs a record anyway, state records are released in MN all the time anyways. In my oppinion Dale Mcnair owns the world record because he let her go no kill it for his own ego!
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Location: The desert | Is there snow on the ground over there or something? We've still got some left in the mountains, but not enough for me to start caring about WR's. Plus, people catch wr's out of Pineview all the time. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | That''s my point exactly. Who knows how many individual PB's have already broken state records? or WR's for that matter? It's just not something that a lot of people take into consideration. I'm more concerned about having fun, enjoying the outdoors and getting the next musky on my line. |
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Location: On the water | I agree with dcmusky, who needs a world record!! Dales the man. Fish, have fun and let them all go for someone else to catch.
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| Yay for world records! |
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Location: oswego, il | "If MI does or did support WRMA, why did they, or do they, allow the travesty of the Spray record to remain without any major lobbying of the FWFHF to remove his bogus fish in the face of the overwhelming evidence that it is not as large as claimed?"
Becuase their non for profit status will be challenged. It already happened to one chapter that had some of the WRMA's founding members on their board. |
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| Here's my take, the Spray fish is part of musky lore. It's an era of musky fishing like the steroid era is to baseball. Back then they used to kill them and fill em with sand, some were just that big. Today we release them but some stretch the length and some are just that big. At least today they are released so they can fuel the imagination.
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | What bogas overwelming evidence ? There is none.  Marv. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Guest - 8/1/2009 11:22 AMHopeful......I would think that ANY member of the WRMA would care that I am interested...no matter WHO I am.Steve, this is not intended to be a negative, necessarily.Since you are a member, I will address the question to you. Is there a membership that supports the WRMA? Are they a credible, viable organization? Are they currently doing anything about the current records? Has WRMA has been working on the Cal Johnson fish for the last 3 years, since Spray?? As a supporter of the WRMA goals with regard to the records I'm frustrated that there is no info available about just what is happening. Jerry Newman posted awhile back that they are in fact "working"........why the secrecy?I know a lot of you guys don't care...but aren't those who DO care wondering what's up???
Guest (if that really is your name)...
Perhaps this line of questioning should be directed to those at WRMA and not a message board that will be full of opinions that may or may not be accurate. This e-mail (available on the WRMA site) should get you the answers you seek - [email protected]
If you honestly care about this (and aren't just trying to stir up $hi#) contact the WRMA and get the answers you want. It seems to me Jerry already answered your original inquiry on this board. Why not contact him directly and save yourself some time? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | For those who do not care about the World Record...cool.
For those who do, and I'm one of 'em, I'd like to see the World Record set straight, lore/legend/bullcrap aside. Make it real and therefore attainable, and eventually offer a REAL release division for the World Record; then we'd see some monsters....... |
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Location: oswego, il | I would like to see it cleared up too, what is right, should be set right.
I still find it funny, somebody can post a 52 that looks 48 and just get roasted on the message boards for a fish that absolutely does not matter to anyone but the person who caugh it but these same roasters could care less about the record. Imagine if Louie caught these fish today, posted the pics and said they were as big as he claimed. We could post the sattellite images of his arse getting roasted on the message boards. |
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| In an upcoming issue of Muskie magazine I'm doing a piece on how there could be a huge difference in the appearance of fish in photos depending on how you hold them. I see this a lot as MI's Photo Editor, such as fish that are actually about the same size except one looks like it could eat the other. As far as records I must say I agree completely with Steve. I'm not sure how a release record would work though. What would the criteria be, who would set it, and who would verify it? It just seems it would be a tall order to get an accurate measurement/weight of the fish and still be able to release it. I'd love to hear any ideasanyone may have for this. Good fishing all. |
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