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Yake Bait
Posted 3/9/2009 9:21 PM (#365221)
Subject: Batch of Blanks





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The weekend weather was pretty nice so I spent a few hours in the garage this weekend making a set of 8" glide lure bodies.  Generally I go 1 by 1 on lures but there is a lot of time savings when making a batch of lures at once.  These should keep me busy until the ice thaws and I can get the boat out.  Cabin fever is starting to set in so this is the only cure right now...

 

I've got to get a set of twitch lures in the cue as well before the ice thaws.



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tmusky
Posted 3/9/2009 9:32 PM (#365226 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks


starting to make my own gliders and wtd topwaters. noticed the holes for weighting. does it make a diff where the weight is located as long as it stays relatively horizontal, or better to weight at the pivot or center point?
Beaver
Posted 3/9/2009 9:35 PM (#365229 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks





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Very cool Pete.
Only guys from the basement could appreciate looking at blanks. Those tell me that you take alot of pride in your work and that you make a quality lure.
Now that I have been trying to make my own blanks, I have even more respect for guys who "roll their own" from start to finish.
I'll have to show you some blanks when I get some done.
Thanks for sharing.
Beaver
tmusky-the weighting is alot more than where the holes are drilled. The weights are what give or take action away from the wood. Where they are put is only one small part of the equation.

Edited by Beaver 3/9/2009 9:38 PM
Yake Bait
Posted 3/9/2009 9:56 PM (#365236 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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tmusky, I have done this blank style with dual and single weight placements and found the action to be quite simialr. Maybe a slightly better glide on the dual weights but this is kind of splitting hairs.

The main reason I have settled on dual weights is the ability to fine tune how the lure sits in the water relative to the horizon.  With a single weight it is very critical to find the right spot for the lead to go so that the lure sits right.  Every piece of wood is different so it is nice to have the ability to fine tune if needed. With dual weights, you can drill out a small amount of lead on one side or the other to adjust. This is more critical for gliders. On twitch lures, I tend to put the weight forward of the "center of bouyancy" so that it backs away from weeds or obsticals when paused. Haven't made a topwater before so I don't know what works best.



Edited by Yake Bait 3/9/2009 10:01 PM
tmusky
Posted 3/9/2009 10:21 PM (#365244 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks


thanks guys you both do some phenominal paint jobs! can only assume they have the action to match
Muskerboy
Posted 3/10/2009 4:45 PM (#365400 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Wow that is some great looking wood.
Yake Bait
Posted 3/10/2009 8:37 PM (#365452 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Thanks guys.

Had a few PM's with questions about the through wire technique used so I thought I'd put up a few pic's of how I do it.

Lure blank has a 5/64" tunnel bored through with an additional 1/4" bored out of the nose and tail tail to allow the tail loop to be pushed in far enough to make the wraps on the nose loop.  The nose loop gets pushed back in to hide the loops inside the bait.

Belly loops are hung from the main through wire which is threaded from tail to nose before making the nose loop.  These are also housed in 1/4" holes.



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Yake Bait
Posted 3/10/2009 8:44 PM (#365454 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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To lock the wire in place, I start by exposing the nose loop and filling the 1/4" bore with 5 min epoxy using a tooth pick to pump it into the cavity.  The nose loop is pushed into the epoxy allowing it to flow around the wire loops and eventually locking the wire into the wood much like screw threads.  I then flip over and fill the tail loop 1/4" bore with epoxy.  The epoxy flows around the wire locking the tail end in place as well.  Belly loops are done the same way.  Some light palm sanding cleans up any excess epoxy.

Epoxy does not actually bond to the wire (it is too smooth), but by allowing it to flow around the wire loops and bonding into the wood grain it all locks into place as well as sealing up the internals of the lure.

Lead holes are also filled with epoxy to contour to the original profile of the lure.



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tmusky
Posted 3/10/2009 9:56 PM (#365471 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks


question about pushing the wire ends into place. i assume that the wire bends a little that it doesn't push the opposite end back out after the epoxy cures. is that the case or did i missunderstand something?
tmusky
Posted 3/10/2009 9:58 PM (#365472 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks


sorry looked again and saw how you did it.
muskyhunter63
Posted 3/11/2009 2:40 PM (#365593 - in reply to #365471)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks




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Location: Richland Center, WI.
Thanks for posting the pics. Have made a few lures and was wondering how you guys are getting the wire in the blank and having the wire for the hooks attached to the through wire. Doh! Looks simple now.
Ken
ShaneW
Posted 3/11/2009 3:38 PM (#365604 - in reply to #365593)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks




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Location: Verona, WI
Quick question as I don't understand how you are doing the nose wire - are you applying pressure to the wire to force the nose wire to fit within the lure body? Basically forcing the wire to bend inside the bait?

Shane
Muskerboy
Posted 3/11/2009 4:37 PM (#365614 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Thanks for the walk threw.
Yake Bait
Posted 3/11/2009 6:16 PM (#365636 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Shane,

First I make the tail loop and thread the straight end throug the lure. The tail loop can be pushed in flush to the end of the lure through the 1/4" bore giving enought room to make a loop on the nose end. Nose end gets filled with epoxy then is pushed back in before the epoxy sets. Tail loop and belly loops then get filled with epoxy.

Once set, the epoxy bridges between the inside end of the wire loops and the step between 1/4" and 5/64" bores. The strength comes from the compression between the wire loops and step in bore (wire cannot be pulled through). Hopefully the attached drawing helps to illustrate.


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Don
Posted 3/11/2009 6:56 PM (#365648 - in reply to #365636)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Location: Southwest Ohio
Hey Yake,
I just wanted to say thanks for all the educational tips on gliders. I do a lot of lure painting but have never tried making my own baits yet, other than a few in-lines.
Awesome job,
Don
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rustyman
Posted 3/12/2009 12:08 AM (#365705 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks




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Great looking baits and blanks. Do you have a jig for drilling straight thru the body. I've tried this a couple of times on bass baits a long time ago and couldn't get the holes to line up dead nuts. Please enlighten an ignorant person. I've been using screw eyes on gliders, but would like to do some topwaters in balsa so figured I'd ask. Thanks, Rusty
fatfingers
Posted 3/12/2009 9:11 AM (#365749 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks




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Nice clean work, Pete. I bet they run great too.
ShaneW
Posted 3/12/2009 3:43 PM (#365850 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks




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Location: Verona, WI
Yake,

Thanks - that helps and I am going to give that a try. I do my baits in halves but always have trouble with the front line tie.

Shane
BruceKY
Posted 3/12/2009 6:44 PM (#365881 - in reply to #365636)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Location: KY
Nice stuff! Thanks for sharing your techniques.
Yake Bait
Posted 3/12/2009 6:59 PM (#365884 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Rusty, I scribe a line on the side of the blank that I use to aligh the lure as I clamp it in a vice on my drill press table. I use a standard size bit, then switch to a 6" bit to get past the 1/2 way point. I then flip the lure and repeat the same process. It all boils down to precisely clamping the lure in alignment with the drill bit , then clamping the vice to the drill press table in the correct spot before starting to drill.  Also use sharp punch to locate the spot where I want t drill through on the nose an tail. This helpsto align he drill bit.

A 5/64" bit works better than somethign smaller, less tendencey to wander.



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Brian
Posted 3/13/2009 2:18 PM (#366056 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: RE: Batch of Blanks


Are these lures for sale? If so, what color patterns are available, and how much do you charge?

Brian
Yake Bait
Posted 3/14/2009 2:51 PM (#366192 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Brian,

Shoot me a PM regarding the lures.


Pete
FISH WITH TEETH
Posted 12/13/2009 6:57 PM (#412568 - in reply to #366192)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks




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Location: Westerville, Ohio
I have a question about the belly loops. Do you use a bending jig make those loops or, two pair of vise grips like in the picture. The way I am making belly loops now is Bending a piece of wire to look something like the letter "M", with the "V" in the center of the "M" hanging down much lower than the outer legs of the "M". I then hook the outer legs over the wire in the body and epoxy everything in like you do. I have been trying to figure out how to make the loops you make without a bending jig. What diameter wire are you using? Thanks in advance.
muskyslayer96
Posted 12/13/2009 7:20 PM (#412575 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Location: Madison, WI
Yake,
Great tutorial! What type of wood is that? Is it 1 inch stock? The baits are so clean do you router the edges? What is the final weight?
Could you explain the weighting / lead pouring a little, I use egg sinkers, but you have to drill so deep into the bait to add 1 to 1.5 oz of weight it becomes difficult.
Thanks,
MS

Edited by muskyslayer96 12/13/2009 7:24 PM
Yake Bait
Posted 12/14/2009 10:01 PM (#412810 - in reply to #365221)
Subject: Re: Batch of Blanks





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Teeth - I use a pair of Knipex round nose pliers to make the loops. They are similar to needle nose, but the plier jaws are conical as opposed to 1/2 round and flat. That allows you to make the round loops.

Slayer - pouring the lead leaves fewer voids in the lure and more control of weight placement without having to drill a mile into the lure. I sent you some info as a reply to the PM that you sent.

Haven't built any lures yet this winter but I guess it is time to get in the game! Got some torpedo shaped maple plugs that were turned for me on a lathe. Looking forward to giving that style a go. Also gonna try a tail prop topwater this year.
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