Does anyone really see different results using different kinds of gliders? I mean, is there a point in having a selection of hellhounds, danczyk, slammers, amma bamas and tuff shad gliders? Should i have more of a variety in my box?
Posted 1/19/2009 6:58 PM (#356113 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 44
Location: Stevens Point WI
I would try as many different ones as possible. Each one has its own "personality" and will only like to be worked certain ways (ie. slow w/ long pause, fast and eratic, any speed, etc). Fish will respond differently to different baits' actions, plus gliders are probably the most "hands on" or interactive musky bait there is, so I find them to be fun to work
Posted 1/19/2009 8:59 PM (#356136 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
Posts: 20279
Location: oswego, il
I have more glidebaits than I will ever know what to do with. With that said it is good to have a few different kinds. Some can be worked fast, while other only work well slow. Some you can get going crazy with a good snap of the wrist while some, especially bigger gliders take more of a short pull. Some will work well when the waves are going and the boat is moving all over while some take some finess to make work and work work under the aformentioned conditions. That does not make them bad baits but very good baits under calmer conditions. Some go side to side methodically while other have some up and down in their directions too. Some you can work deeper and some stay up top. Some have a short side to side while others will glide 3ft in a direction. Basically most gliders have their own personalities and using one for the situation that your in is important for a good presentation.
Posted 1/19/2009 9:34 PM (#356146 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
Posts: 392
Location: KY
I love to hate gliders. I have way too many. Most of them are hanging on the wall. I do like erratic gliders that can be used as search baits, in contrast to the classic slow gliders that are typically used in cold water. My favorites are undertakers, hellhounds, cobb's, phantoms, and mantas. You can spend a lot of money on designer gliders if you want but you don't "need" to.
Posted 1/20/2009 10:13 AM (#356198 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 159
Location: Stevens Point, WI
ToddM and BruceKY, thanks for the info. My question is, can't a guy learn to work a particular glider in different ways to make it more versatile rather than buying more baits? Undertakers and hellhounds can be worked slow and constant, fast and erratic, slow with twitches, wide or tight. Then i can use a jerbait or twitchbait to get more crazy if need be. Can you give me some situations in which you'd rather have a different glider, or are these two baits less versatile than i think?
Posted 1/20/2009 4:48 PM (#356249 - in reply to #356198) Subject: Re: gliders
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I can work my gliders as fast as I want to and have them darting and dashing all over the place, or slow them down with light taps and have them gliding back and forth and then pause them and watch them futter down. I even stop them dead when I'm moving them fast and let them sink a little and then start it over again. Either way, fast or slow, I still get the majority of my hits from good fish on the drop.
Beav
Posted 1/20/2009 7:10 PM (#356264 - in reply to #356198) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 392
Location: KY
12gauge
You are spot on. The undertaker and hellhound are very versatile baits. They will work in most situations. So will phantoms, the Cobb’s crazy shad, or a drop belly. I don’t want to imply I have anywhere near the experience of others on this board. The undertaker might be too small for late season use. I have a couple of round nose Cobb’s that are better suited for cold water applications where a slower more methodical retrieve is called for. The manta & hang 10s are famous for gliding way out side to side, but not much else. With all gliders you are going to want to change it up to trigger strikes. tap, pause, tap, tap, long pause, tap, tap, tap, pause…….
Posted 1/20/2009 9:57 PM (#356309 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
Posts: 20279
Location: oswego, il
12 guage, it looks like you do well with two glide baits on either end of the spectrum. The hellhound is one of the easiest gliders to work, by far. The undetaker is more of a finesse glider and can be tricky but once you get it right, you can make it do tricks many gliders won't. If you can work an undertaker, then most gliders should come easy for you. Muskies like both of these gliders.
If I am fishing cover over weeds, I do not want a glider that pops up and down without my wanting it to. I run my rod tip up and use a glider that runs high, near the surface and sometimes breaking it.
For deeper water, it's rod tip down and a heavier weighted glider. Some gliders won't stay down no matter what but some do.
bn
Posted 1/20/2009 10:00 PM (#356311 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
gliders suck!
but if you are going to throw them...hellhounds, undertaker, sq phantoms and maybe a turmoil or 2 is all ya need...
use em as a last resort! ; )
Posted 1/20/2009 10:16 PM (#356313 - in reply to #356311) Subject: Re: gliders
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The Squirko is my personal favorite. I can give it light-ish taps and send it zig-zagging smoothly side-to-side. OR I can really THWACK it and make it juke left/right, and pop up/down. Most baits (exception possibly being Mantas) can allow you to do a lot of things by varying the degree to which you snap the rod down.
They will move fish when other baits won't. Definitely should have at least one hanging around at all times.
lambeau
Posted 1/20/2009 10:17 PM (#356315 - in reply to #356311) Subject: Re: gliders
Posted 1/20/2009 10:28 PM (#356318 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 32957
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Gliders rock. I like Beav's Perka, the Wabull, the Undertaker, Hellhound, Phantom, and all the rest, and have an entire monster Lakewood full.
Muskies eat 'em.
Mjr
Posted 1/21/2009 11:25 AM (#356376 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
I just love Tuff Shads, and I think that they are one of the Easiest to use,and fish just love them, And it does not matter what State you are fishing in. They catch fish Everywhere. Mike Sr.
Posted 1/21/2009 3:13 PM (#356450 - in reply to #356446) Subject: Re: gliders
Definately the gliders, always pick up the box later!
bn
Posted 1/21/2009 3:15 PM (#356454 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
Lakewood..
muskies do eat them but imo the return on investment is very low with gliders...ie, they are in the water a lot with really not very impressive results in general ...most of the time..sure last May me and my friends had 30 fish in my boat on them, but that is rare...
results are what counts right? how many guys on here can say they have 48+ on a glider? or say 25 fish or more per yr on gliders? they are in the water too much by too many guys..yah they look cool, but c'mon..a few fish per year on gliders isn't exactly impressive imo
get a few...know how they run/work and then find the times the fish actually do eat them over other stuff...great at moving fish when they won't move on much else...
Lakewoods first! ; )
mota
Posted 1/21/2009 4:35 PM (#356471 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
Posted 1/21/2009 5:37 PM (#356494 - in reply to #356076) Subject: Re: gliders
Location: SE Wisconsin
bobtodd - 1/19/2009 5:43 PM
Hellhounds are for catching WI river walleyes....you need to find a different glider bait for the muskies.
Hmm...
All time favorite is the MMT Slidin' Shad. . . I love drop bellies. On the other hand, I have always been an advocate of Hellhounds and Wabulls. . . Just never caught a walleye on the Hellhound. . . Interesting theory though.
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Posted 1/23/2009 11:32 PM (#356905 - in reply to #356494) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 337
Location: Central WI
On the other hand, I have always been an advocate of Hellhounds and Wabulls. . . Just never caught a walleye on the Hellhound. . . Interesting theory though.
I was just messing with 12 gauge...he caught a walleye this spring on a Hellhound that was just under the 30" mark. We both thought it was a muskie until the fish was in the net.
Those Slidin' Shad look like a really nice bait....
Posted 1/24/2009 10:27 AM (#356951 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 283
Wabulls and baby wabulls are my favorite since you can really make them go crazy like making them nose down and up instead of just side to side like a normal glider
Posted 1/25/2009 3:44 PM (#357145 - in reply to #356047) Subject: Re: gliders
Posts: 159
Location: Stevens Point, WI
Thanks again for good info. I have an additional question. I throw gliders, just not many different kinds. This year we got 94 muskies and only 1 came on a glider, though hours were put into throwing them. Do you find there are some lakes where gliders just don't work, or is it more of a problem of working the wrong glider the wrong way? We get bass, walleyes, and catfish on the big gliders more than muskies. What's the deal?
bn
Posted 1/26/2009 2:07 PM (#357319 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
12 gauge...your data is about the same as most i would think...again, return on invenstment with gliders is very very low for most of the season...sure they have there time and place, just like any lure...but the i would bet that as a category they have the lowest # of truly big fish caught on them over any other lure type..
get a few good ones, know how to work them to trigger strikes and that is all you need..i use to have over 40 i think back in the day, now i have about 10
if you want to actually catch lots of fish over the course of the season...put down the gliders...most of the time.
Posted 1/26/2009 2:42 PM (#357324 - in reply to #356454) Subject: RE: gliders
Posts: 32957
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
bn - 1/21/2009 3:15 PM
Lakewood..
muskies do eat them but imo the return on investment is very low with gliders...ie, they are in the water a lot with really not very impressive results in general ...most of the time..sure last May me and my friends had 30 fish in my boat on them, but that is rare...
results are what counts right? how many guys on here can say they have 48+ on a glider? or say 25 fish or more per yr on gliders? they are in the water too much by too many guys..yah they look cool, but c'mon..a few fish per year on gliders isn't exactly impressive imo
get a few...know how they run/work and then find the times the fish actually do eat them over other stuff...great at moving fish when they won't move on much else...
Lakewoods first! ; )
Posted 1/26/2009 3:01 PM (#357331 - in reply to #357325) Subject: Re: gliders
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Gander Mt Guide - 1/26/2009 2:44 PM
"or is it more of a problem of working the wrong glider the wrong way? "
If you're getting lazy follows or aren't seeing fish, odds are you're getting into a rythm with your retrieve. You must change up speeds and pauses.
I fished the hell out of gliders for a couple years, and had nothing but lazy follows and a few ummm "operator errors". I was doing exactly what GMG described -- a nice rythmic cadence, side to side. Hypnotized a lot of fish that way. I haven't given them a ton of time since, but I've had the opportunity to fish with a handful of "glider freaks" as I call them, and the one thing they all do differently from what I was doing is that they incorporate a lot of jerks, pauses, and erratic movements into their retrieve.
I think there's a time and a place for them, like any other lure. But the key to gliders in my opinion is making the fish want to eat them, something that I definitely plan on improving next year.
bn
Posted 1/26/2009 3:02 PM (#357335 - in reply to #356047) Subject: RE: gliders
i don't work them like "most people" either Steve, but numbers and results don't lie... they just aren't a lure that produces very big fish or lots of numbers...most of the time...
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