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| What do you do when a party come's up want's to fish with you on there first day gps everything and then fish on there own for the rest of there trip?
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| Take them to spots where I've never seen a fish before?
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Location: Racine, Wi | Take them out and try to put them on fish as usual. I'm not in it to hide anything from clients. If they book me, I'll show them what I can and try to help them catch fish the rest of the week. I'd tell them to give me a call as well to try and help them through the week. |
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Location: MPLS, MN | To me GPS is too far. Plus I'd worry about not getting to many of thems best spots. It's not hard to make visual markers and come back on them. |
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| but after spending the amount's of money and time to find everything you have to just give them away so easy just dosen't seem right to me. even more when your trying to make a living out of it. i look at it more like there stealing from you. i've never brought a gps in my boat with me or map did everything with just my brian looked at the map before going out, so i say if i did it that way you can.
and to boot they never book you again ether
Edited by Anonymous 11/17/2008 3:26 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | muskynate;
If the fellow you are fishing with is an 'outfitter', whom you have hired to catch a fish, the bigger the better, I'd expect there may be an exception. If you hired a 'guide' who's job it is to teach you the way to those fish and teach you the water, there would probably be fewer objections. My take, anyhow.
Either way, if the client brings a GPS, I'll tell him exactly when to punch in a waypoint, no worries. Most clients don't hire me to 'just' learn the water (although some do, and if they own a hand held and do not use it, they missed an opportunity), most hire me, and then re-hire me, for the overall experience and what they can take home from it. There's much more to being a successful guide than knowing the water. |
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | I have hired guides in several states, and I always ask beforehand if bringing a gps is ok. I have never been turned down, in fact most have suggested it during our talk before we book. At Bull Shoals, a guide spent an extra 3 hours just motoring us around so we could mark spots, and this was after our day was finished. He really earned a big tip, and we booked him again and learned even more.
Being up front and honest usually works, and creates good friendships. |
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| i've spent lot's of time with guy's helping them out and showing them the lake and even giving a few free trip's. thinking it would help me out later with more clint's and re-booking's but has never happened.even more with the die hard guy's . |
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Location: syracuse indiana | Well i have no problem with it. i look at it this way, all my clients that i take out are doing it for a reason. and i hope to be able to teach them a thing or two , maybee something that they never knew. and that includes the lake and its spots and how to fish them, thats a must. i have had a few clients so far this year that have actually never fished for musky and after the day they went to the local shop and spent almost a grand in rods and reels and net and everything else to get started and then went out and bought a boat. they caught their first fish with me and they were hooked, and i have had them fish spots close to me. i want them to feel like they are number 1 in my boat.. they get the front and use of everything. and i dont hold back nothing. they get to learn it all.. so back to the question. yes they can bring a gps and usually i mark maps for them.. heck i have marked maps on lakes we didnt fish so they can try those on their own.. just my 2 cents on the way i do things besides work my butt of to get them fish.....bill
Edited by archerynut36 11/17/2008 4:05 PM
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | Often times, I help clients out to understand their GPS units and mark the spots for them. I have no problem with people hiring me and marking spots. I want them to catch fish, and not just when they are in my boat. I do appreciate those that ask before they bring them, but I will never discourage it.
Like Steve said, there is much more to being a guide than just knowing water. |
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| has it started fight's with you and other guide's in the area.because with me it has. |
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| i look at it as your a teacher as well not just a guide. |
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Location: syracuse indiana | not that i know of. here in indiana there are enough guides. and usually most of us get along. we even help each other out. like i said here in indiana waters there are around 15 guides. yea i know alot for so little water.. but we all get along..bill
anny you hit the head of the nail on that one..
Edited by archerynut36 11/17/2008 4:05 PM
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Location: Racine, Wi | Not in this area (SE Wisco). Most of the lakes are pounded and it's not necessarily the locations we are fishing, rather how we fish those areas. What we look for, what directions we work a spot and why, basically all the little stuff verses just setting up a drift and bombing casts away.
So due to that, no real issues down here. The spots aren't secret, but some little things that we do might be, or little areas under the water that we key on. Like has been mentioned before, showing them the areas to fish is only part of the game. |
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| well i look at it like hey were all out here trying to do the same thing why not help other people out.
that's why i asked just wanted to see what everyone else was going to say about it because it's some of the thing's i have had to deal with. |
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| I fished with a great guide a while back when the musky fishing in that area and at that time had been particulary tough. He'd been working hard at putting together a patern and was having more success than any other guide in that area but there were only a few spots that were producing for him. When we arrived at one of those spots, a small one, his clients from the previous day were already there. He'd asked them during their trip, as he did us, if they would avoid that area for a few days as he was using that spot to earn his livelyhood with other clients untill things picked up elsewhere. He was furious when he saw them and I can appreciate his position. I think it was just a matter of courtecy and I respected that. Besides, we caught a couple and had a great trip. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Then that fellow is an outfitter, not a guide, by that description. |
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| I fished with a guide for the first time this fall. I think as a custumer, I'm entitled to a couple of things. First I think I'm entitled to the guide trying his best to put me on fish. Secondly, I think its the guides responsibilty to explain the reasons for why he or she is trying a certain spot with a certain pattern and method. That is what I think my money entitles me too. Nothing more. Marking spots just doesn't seem to be in the contract as far as I'm concerned. This is a persons living and I don't feel that a paying costumer has the right to cut into that.
Besides isn't most of the fun of musky fishing trying to find those spots? I enjoy the satisfaction I get out of fishing new water and implementing what I've learn to new water. I don't maybe its stupid but that is what gets me off on musky fishing. |
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
What is the difference between an outfitter and a guide?
The way I see it, if a guide is on public waters, than any spot he takes you to is what you paid him for, and you're entitled to "document" that spot and use it whenever you choose to.
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| i think hunter has a great piont |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | An 'Outfitter' usually takes you to a place you would not go on your own. Some lease private waters and land. Others use public land and waters and are pretty up front they are about the client harvesting a trophy or in this case CPR a trophy, not learning the water or the land. The Outfitter specifically is hired to put a trophy in the hands of the client and has no responsibility to teach the client anything more than is necessary to accomplish that goal. Big game outfitters are good examples, and there ARE Muskie 'Outfitters' out there.
A 'Guide' usually teaches you the water and lay of the land, the way TO the water and the land, and how to CPR a trophy on your own so you do not necessarily need him/her to be successful there in the future. Most guides try very hard to put the client on a good fish, but have a different end goal and methodology.
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| nicely said steve
i would put my self in both category's |
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| It's no secret that it is a good chunk of money to hire a guide, even for a day. The client earns that right to GPS spots if they choose to do so. I think asking the guide prior to going on the lake if taking a GPS out would be alright is most necessary. I know if I hire a guide to help me learn a lake, I will ask if it would be ok to take along my hand-held. If they so no, I might take my business elsewhere. There are a lot of good guides out there that don't mind. I already know what baits work, most of my learning would come from learning locations. A big lake would require a GPS to find most of the spots again. My 2 cents.
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| i still thiink there should be some kind of respect to a guy that has shown you all his stuff, even more when he does it for a livin and you do it for fun
Edited by Anonymous 11/17/2008 6:13 PM
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
It's not about respect.
It's about why you are hiring a guide.
Are you hiring one because you don't know the ropes about catching muskies, or because you want to maximize your time fishing and learn new water?
I have more respect for people who show me spots that aren't charging money for that than those that do.
That statement isn't meant to be a knock on guides. I simply mean that I expect to be shown good spots if I'm paying for it. I apprecitate and respect the favor of those that do it willingly.
So fishing spots that a guide shows you is not a lack of respect for that person.
You're just reaping the benefits of your purchase.
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| but in hiring a guide or an outfitter you hire them to get you a fish of a life time arn't you.
Edited by Anonymous 11/17/2008 6:34 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Not necessarily, hence the difference between the two. |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Anonymous--
Since you are a guide and and outfitter, you certainly reserve the right to not allow GPS units on your trips. Be up front with your clients and let them know this ahead of time when they ask. We operate in an open market and each guide can determine for him/her self what they will and will not permit.
I have an opinion on the GPS matter, but it is not really relevant.
By the way, if you were to post your guiding/outfitters business' name on your signature line, you might pick up some clients. It is very easy to register here and you might discover that you increase your ability to share your knowlege by picking up new clients from those who see it when you post.
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| i don't see hunter's gpsing everthing when they hire a guide to get a big buck or moose, most of them hire that same guy again the next year. so what's so diffrent about it. |
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| outfitter's own there own land and don't most outfitter's only hunt, as far as i know you can't own the water in canada so there is no way of being an outfitter up here. correct me if i'm wrong.
Edited by Anonymous 11/17/2008 6:52 PM
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