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Location: Yahara River Chain | I got a letter as one of the presenters of the 54 inch size limit rule for Green Bay and the Lower Fox River. The Warm Water & Great Lakes Study committee will meet on Saturday September 27th @ 10am. Last year only one attended (thanks Greg Wells) and it was shot down. The meeting place is Royal Inn Stevens Point (HWT51/I39 and HWY 10)
If you would like to go and would like to speak, you will have to call Joe Weiss (Chair Warm Water) at 715) 635-2209 or Dale Maas (chair Great Lakes) at 920) 928-2131. I am not sure if only presenters are allowed to speak or the general public is?
Make plans to be there.
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Location: Appleton,WI | Is there anybody from appleton or green bay going to this That wants to carpool?? |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | If someone wants to email me any supporting documentation, I will be sure to get it in the hands of the two Oneida County CC members that I know, who are on the Warm Water Committee. They are both musky fishermen and I am pretty sure they will support this, but armed with info they will be much better prepared.
[email protected]
The wheel needs to keep squeaking!
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Mike contact Tom Betka [[email protected]] for that information.
I hope at least some of you can make it. I will be coming home from the Gil Hamm Chapter Challunge a day early to make sure I attend. A good showing of supporters would go a long ways to convince the Great Lakes Committee that we need this protection since stocking has been ceased. These fish are too valuable to be taken out of the system when they hit 50. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I will be attending the CC Committee meetings at 10AM on September 27th. If anyone needs additional information, please email me at the address in my signature file. I can give you enough to fill your evenings for the next couple of weeks...
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| Help me understand this. The 54" proposal was voted on and passed not once but twice and the CC is still debating whether or not they are going to make it a law.
Like I have asked before could some please explain to me why we even have the CC and the Spring Hearings if the results don't mean squat? |
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Location: Lake Forest, Illinois | TB Is there an email address for someone on the The Warm Water & Great Lakes Study Committee, that would be willing to accept support for the 54" Min via email, from folks who cannot attend?
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Nowhere is that information listed on the letter I got. i also checked the WDNR web site and its not listed there either. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I do not know about contacts on the Warm Water Committee, but my know someone who does know. Well, the information is on the DNR's website, located here:
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/congress/committees/
...but I don't have their email addresses.
EDIT: Almost forgot--to the poster asking why we need to go through this process. You need to understand the role of the CC...
The CC is not a body where the people can simply get together and, on a whim (let's say), decide to change some regulation. No, it's a body (the only one of it's kind in the US, if I am not mistaken) made up of 5 delegates from each of Wisconsin's 72 counties, assembled to give Wisconsin residents a chance to be heard on all matters regarding our natural resources. If there's something that a resident wants changed, he/she now has an avenue to do so--simply introduce a resolution at a spring hearing. If there's enough support, the resolution will be passed on to the appropriate committee, whose job it is to determine if that particular issue has enough merit to be forwarded to the DNR as a *non-binding* recommendation to make a regulation change. IF the DNR agrees, then they can choose to recommend it to the State Legislators, who in turn vote to make that (now) DNR recommendation a law. It's a long process.
The reason we have to do this yet again, is because it did not make it through committee last year--even though it passed in all but one county where it was introduced. It's unfortunate that the Great Lakes Committee simply didn't pass the matter to the full CC--as ALL the people of Wisconsin would then have gotten the opportunity to vote on the matter, before it went to the DNR...who then could have chosen whether or not to put it on the statewide questionnaire, representing yet another failsafe point. Instead the GLC chose to vote the issue down for, what many consider to be purely political reasons. I was not involved in 2007, so I cannot speak to whether or not this argument has merit--but it sure seems to me that there would have been adequate chances to defeat the proposal, were it to be found later that it did not have significant merit.
In any event, we went through the process all over again this year, and now it's going to both the GLC and the Warm Water Committee--don't ask me why...I think it's a bit silly to go to both committes myself. But nonetheless, that's the CC process we have, so that's what we have to work with.
I say that we should all be thankful to have an avenue such as the CC that provides the chance for concerned citizens to express their concern, and take steps to make a change. I for one am VERY grateful for this opportunity.
See you all on the 27th!
TB
Edited by tcbetka 8/27/2008 2:43 PM
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| Tom, First let me thank you for all the work you have done in this matter. I am not trying to pick on you but the whole CC thing is a joke! Like you said it was turned down for political reasons. The CC looked at what we all voted on and basically said "who cares? We are going to do what we want so screw the voters" So now it sounds like we will have to vote on it AGAIN in 2009 in a statewide CC hearing. Then maybe it will pass IF the CC decides it should pass. Maybe we should just contact a certain legislator from the Eagle River area to throw it on a budget bill, at least then it will get done!
I remember the whole feral cat issue where in an overwhelming vote the people of the state voted to let them be controled by the DNR. When the CC met later in the year the issue came up for a vote and the leader of the CC basically said that they would not vote on it because he didn't want to. Again, screw what the voters said.
The idea of a CC sounds good but just wait until the anti's start to get people to go to them and they start to control it. They could get rid of all hunting and fishing in a couple years! |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Well, it is what it is...no doubt about it. And you're right--the whole state might have to vote on it via the CC process next spring. But then again, the DNR could simply advance it as a question next spring, by-passing the CC step. However they are not required to do this, and thus the process may have to be followed in it's entirety.
I can't argue with your assessment, but the process has to be followed or the effort has NO chance of being approved. There are definitely hoops to be jumped through, and sometimes it does seem that the spirit of the whole process (which I believe in by the way, because I think there needs to be a way to weed out resolutions that have no merit) has somehow been sacrificed for political gains. I wish I could tell you how to fix the problem, but it's a bigger mess than I can unravel, so I am simply riding the bus on this one...
So all I can say with certainty is that the process is underway, and the next step occurs September 27th. I have been asked to appear to defend the resolution, and therefore will be there to do just that. Our Biologist has publicly stated that, although he doesn't necessarily feel the 54" limit is biologically needed, he will support the effort if it's the will of the majority. I guess that's fair enough, and I believe him to be an honest man. Therefore we'll make another run at it and see what happens.
Finally, thank you for the kind words...
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Location: Sun Prairie, WI | reelman - 8/27/2008 6:03 PM
The idea of a CC sounds good but just wait until the anti's start to get people to go to them and they start to control it. They could get rid of all hunting and fishing in a couple years!
Thanks for making the perfect point of WHY we all need to attend and have our voices heard. No, this isn't the perfect process as you've pointed out, but the biggest threat I'm seeing to our outdoor pursuits is the growing number of anti's attending and making their points heard, not whether proposals get passed. There seems to be a double agenda here. 1. Sportsmen/sportswomen need to attend to vote on the matters at hand even if the process seems flawed. 2. We need to attend to vote and keep the anti's in check. It's unfortunate, but from my point of view, point number two is a very growing concern that is threatening to overshadow the importance of getting favorable proposals passed. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Everyone has a voice, but it sure seems that an irate voice gets heard first...
I agree--people need to show up. I was surprised that, after MONTHS of talking about the 54" size limit increase, there were so few anglers that showed up in support of it. Everybody seems to have something better to do when the all-important time comes.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | reelman, one of the reasons that it failed last year was because nobody show up in support (except Greg Wells). We do need to do this in the proper way, because we don't want our legislators making the rules like that Rep from Eagle River. It was just bad policy and it side stepped everyone in the process. We should be able to make our case because of VHSv putting a halt to all stocking in the Fox?Bay. I urge folks to attend. I heard many bellyaching about this issue last spring, well if we don't show our support now, then you might as well be happy with angler able to harvest 50" fish. Act now or shut up. |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | The initial post states a 10PM time . Is this correct or a misprint? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | ghoti, it is wrong. I mistyped. It is 10 AM.
Thanks for correcting me. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I will be looking for a ride that Saturday from Madison.
We need to be there in force or we may stand a chance that it won't happen. Some think the 50" size limit is enough. With no stocking and the threat of VHSv can we really risk not going to the 54 inch size limit??? Studies are nice, but when we have very few fish left, we will not be able to figure out whats wrong. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Anyone else going to this on Saturday? We'd love to see a show of support at the CC Committee meetings...this is for all the marbles here folks, and this is where it got defeated a year ago.
Both Jay Zahn & I will be going, so say hello if you see us. Hope to see you there.
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| If you are unable to attend the meeting to show your support for the 54" min in Green Bay, please send your support to Joe Weiss who is the chairman of the Warm Water Committee. It would at least be noted if Joe could produce multiple support emails at Saturday's meeting, His email address is:
[email protected]
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everyone on this site should send one! |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Email sent!! |
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Location: Appleton,WI | Email sent! |
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Location: north central wisconsin | A bit off topic, but does anyone know how the local biologist is positioned on this issue right now? Correspondance from him, in support, would go a long way in trumpeting your resolution this weekend.
Edited by Reef Hawg 9/24/2008 5:29 PM
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| You can also email joe to show your support at [email protected] please find the time to do this. Our fishery depends on it. |
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| What about Catch and Release only? People get such a hard time about keeping Muskie anyway! Just a thought. Dan Palmer |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Jason I contacted David Rowe about the meeting asking him if he was attending. He stated that he was not asked to be there but the DNR rep that was attending knew his feelings about the resolution. Basically David doesn't feel 54 is necessary as the fishery is being managed right now. He did say however if 54" is passed by the fisherman he would support it and then would have a public meeting with all concerned parties and talk about managing the bay and river as a trophy fishery.
I was encouraged by this but it still hinges on the question getting on the ballot for next year and the musky fishing public getting it passed.
Jay Zahn
VP Communications
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | Just got back from the meeting---the resolution passed !!! |
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| Really, thats great news!! |
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