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Message Subject: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?
firstsixfeet
Posted 7/11/2008 2:43 PM (#326068)
Subject: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?




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This fish came from what I believe were probably both naturally reproduced
parents in the upper Turtle River watershed , Long Lake, and note the pike in the lake have a lot of green to them. Have also noted this type in the Chip and wonder if these maintain their pattern as they get bigger.


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SVT
Posted 7/11/2008 5:22 PM (#326084 - in reply to #326068)
Subject: Re: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?


i could look at tigers all day, these fish are amazing!!!
EsoxRookie
Posted 7/11/2008 6:12 PM (#326087 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: milwaukee		This fish came out of a lake in that area. I would say the answer to your question may be 'yes'.


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firstsixfeet
Posted 7/15/2008 9:44 AM (#326481 - in reply to #326068)
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This pic was put up by Cisco Kid, not sure of the lake or drainage this one came from. Another interesting pattern.



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schrump
Posted 7/15/2008 11:33 AM (#326511 - in reply to #326068)
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Nicely patterned metro tiger.




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stinger
Posted 7/15/2008 11:45 AM (#326514 - in reply to #326511)
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Location: Minneapolis, MN		This lil' stinker bit on a bass tube. Natural offspring (I think) of a WI muskie and northern. From the Yellow River system, northwestern WI. My smallest muskie ever and also the coolest pattern!


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schrump
Posted 7/15/2008 12:06 PM (#326523 - in reply to #326514)
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Awesome lookin' mini-ski there Stinger! Thats a purty one.
firstsixfeet
Posted 7/15/2008 12:30 PM (#326526 - in reply to #326068)
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Shrump has what I consider one of the common hybrid patterns. Stinger has something I have never seen before. Not positive that is hybrid or not, counted only 18 bars coming off the dorsal side, total. Wish we could see that in a couple years.
Bytor
Posted 7/15/2008 6:00 PM (#326584 - in reply to #326526)
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Location: The Yahara Chain		FSF the Chip tigers get darker as they get bigger. The bars end up being black.
firstsixfeet
Posted 7/15/2008 6:57 PM (#326592 - in reply to #326584)
Subject: Re: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?




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I have seen various patterns on Chip tigers, including one we caught in Crane Lake years ago that was the most beautiful powder blue you ever saw. I think there are actually a lot of patterns out there that people don't commonly see or associate with cross fish. I was just interested in some of the odder ones and if some basins are producing a repetitive type of pattern in their offspring.
hotlanta
Posted 7/16/2008 1:05 PM (#326738 - in reply to #326068)
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Edited by hotlanta 7/16/2008 7:46 PM
firstsixfeet
Posted 7/16/2008 6:58 PM (#326799 - in reply to #326738)
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It is hard to be sure with those pics Hot, but I don't think either fish you pictured is a hybrid. Not really interested in natural patterns, those have been documented repeatedly. More interested in naturally reproducing strains which hybridize.
sorenson
Posted 7/17/2008 7:30 AM (#326872 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: Ogden, Ut		All from the same lake; most from the same source; some from the same year class.

S.


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lambeau
Posted 7/17/2008 9:38 AM (#326927 - in reply to #326872)
Subject: RE: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?


All from the same lake; most from the same source; some from the same year class.

i like the contrast betweent the first picture and the last picture. lol...

those are MN/Leech strain on the muskie side, aren't they?
with Utah looking to secure it's own brood sources, what type of muskies are they going to be using?


Edited by lambeau 7/17/2008 9:39 AM
CM_IA
Posted 7/17/2008 12:01 PM (#326967 - in reply to #326068)
Subject: Re: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?





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Some of the tiger Muskies are Silver pike X Muskies. I guess those have a little different but very beautiful coloration. my dad got a little silver pike and it was just gorgeous.
sorenson
Posted 7/17/2008 5:22 PM (#327029 - in reply to #326927)
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Location: Ogden, Ut		All but the second to the last on were from fry obtained from Minnesota Muskie Farms. Whatever they use to build 'em is what we got. Our new source? I'll let you all know when it's finalized; the pike half is local though.
S.
firstsixfeet
Posted 7/17/2008 8:52 PM (#327056 - in reply to #326068)
Subject: Re: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?




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Well that would bring up another question. What northern pike strain is/was ever local to Utah?

sorenson
Posted 7/17/2008 9:08 PM (#327058 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: Ogden, Ut		Local is relative - it's a population that has been within the state a long time and has been certified as disease-free. it was introduced many years ago. No idea what 'strain' it may be. Certainly not native though, if that's what you were getting at.

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curleytail
Posted 7/31/2008 1:24 AM (#329080 - in reply to #326068)
Subject: RE: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?




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Location: Hayward, WI		Here's one from a lake in the Hayward area. Relatively, but not super clear water... if that makes a difference.




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ToddM
Posted 7/31/2008 8:57 PM (#329231 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: oswego, il		Here are a few hybrids caught last year, same lake up north.


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firstsixfeet
Posted 8/2/2008 8:14 AM (#329433 - in reply to #326068)
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That is the same pattern, and going back up the same watershed I got my two out of, correct Todd? I am of a mind these fish are strongly influenced by the pike side on pattern, and of note, my 2 and 2 you picture, sizewise could have been the same year class.
ILGreenhead
Posted 8/3/2008 3:34 PM (#329574 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: North Central Illinois		Very amazing thread!!! My nephew-in-law caught this 41 inch BEAST of a fish on 7/19/08 in a Northern WI brown stained lake. Apparently, this patterning is highly common of tigers in this region of "rootbeer water" lakes. Check out this fish that was successfully released hopefully to be caught again (by me!!!)!!!!!




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firstsixfeet
Posted 8/3/2008 8:25 PM (#329601 - in reply to #326068)
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PM me as to what lake the fish came out of, if you will, I am curious.
I don't think this pattern is water color related, but that this is a specific gene blend coming up like this. But, that's why I posted about it in the first place.
ILGreenhead
Posted 8/3/2008 8:55 PM (#329605 - in reply to #329601)
Subject: Re: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?




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Location: North Central Illinois		Here is another pic of the fish with my bro-in-law holding it showing the massive girth to this fish!!! It easily went 20 lbs or better!! I wish we would've girthed it cause we had plenty of time to do so, but didn't think about it!!




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Posted 8/3/2008 10:55 PM (#329635 - in reply to #329605)
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Location: North Central Illinois		Here is a 24 incher from July 2007!! Beautiful little guy! These particular fish seem to really fall for bass spinnerbaits!!



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Muskyfisher
Posted 8/14/2008 2:00 PM (#331444 - in reply to #329635)
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Location: Big Falls MN		why is it that tigers look like they are way better built than the normal muskie or pike. they always look alot bigger.
ESOX Maniac
Posted 8/14/2008 9:22 PM (#331504 - in reply to #331444)
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin		If you had seen Rick Lax's repo of Sorno's Utah tiger at the PI Outing last year, you wouldn't even ask this question. They are just plain purrty hog's!!!!!

It was also so sweet to see the expression on Sorno's face, i.e., a moment I will never forget!
Al
BNelson
Posted 8/22/2008 9:57 AM (#332847 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: Contrarian Island		here is a 48" tiger my cousin caught last week on a Lac Du Flambeau reservation lake in Vilas Co. , they were walleye fishing and fish would not release and died.
and a few I have caught...tigers might be the prettiest fish out there!


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firstsixfeet
Posted 8/24/2008 7:08 PM (#333122 - in reply to #326068)
Subject: Re: Hybrid patterns is there a rule of thumb?




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Really nice fish, hard to tell with size of the picture but it looks like similar pattern on a bigger fish out of clearer water. That should be the same watertshed Todd M and I were fishing.
Muskie Treats
Posted 8/25/2008 10:16 AM (#333234 - in reply to #326068)
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot		The fish that the MN Muskie Farm are from fry that have Leech Lake strain parents. The eggs are typically taken from either Rebecca or other metro area.
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