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Location: Indiana | Can a navionics chip be used in more than one lowrance unit? I know they cant share the data at the same time, but can I physically move it to my front unit for casting then back to the helm for trolling? I just dont want to mess it up, I have heard it will quit working if you try to copy or back it up. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Yes, you can take the chip from one unit to another. What model units do you have? You might be able to network the two with a cord which would allow you to put the chip in your console unit and then would also allow you to see the same stuff on your bow locator. |
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Location: Indiana | I have 2 28c HD units. Can I network them? That would be sweet |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Absolutely! Ok, what connector came with your units? Was it a double T? There should be a connection off each end and two in the middle. Or did it come with a single T connector?
Your going to need two things. One is a T connector. The other is the cord to run from unit to unit. So one T connector and one cord.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.j...
This is the cord that will connect the two units. You'll need one of these. Also, how far are your units apart? I would imagine you have at least a 16 foot boat? If so, I'd suggest the 15 foot cord. The 2 foot cord probably won't be enough and the 25 foot cord will be total overkill, I'd imagine.
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.j...
Here is my cell #(715)610-0630. I can walk you right through this. I just got done rigging my second boat like this and have rigged others. This is a very easy thing to do, as long as it's done the right way with the connections in the right spot. One messed up connection can throw the whole process off. So it has to be done a certain way.
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Location: Davenport, IA | As far as I know you will still need 2 chips if they are networked. You can share waypoints, but not navionics data. |
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| Schuler Thats how I know it to be also. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Schuler - 7/4/2008 4:52 PM
As far as I know you will still need 2 chips if they are networked. You can share waypoints, but not navionics data.
Nope, not on the newer models you don't. This was recently changed so that you could see navionics data on both units. I have two Lowrance X-27's I bought this spring and I have them networked. I have a navionics chip in my console one and share all information from my console unit to my bow unit and then from my bow unit back to my console unit. I can put a waypoint on my bow unit without the chip and see it on my console unit.
I assure you that this is possible, I've been doing this all spring and the past two nights on one of my favorite local lakes. |
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Location: Indiana | Just so I know I am asking the right questions, the units are supposely networked already. I can share waypoints fine between units. Is it possible that I need to change some settings and could be able to see the navionics data in the bow from the console unit? Or is it more likely I need to re wire them? |
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Location: Twin Cities | NO dice
One map chip per unit, there is no other way to see the map on both. |
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| You cannot share the chip between units. You will not get contour lines on the unit without the chip in it. That is Navionics data. Waypoints have nothing to do with Navionics chips.
I might be wrong, but I don't think so.
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Location: Burlington, WI | Shep,
That is how it is with my two LMS520C's that are networked to together via NMEA 2000 networking. Only the GPS info will run through the network, not the navionics data like you said. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | You can network these units so you can put a Navionics chip in your console unit and have it setup so you can see all contour lines on your console unit and your bow unit. I have this done on my units. Here is how your cords and t-connectors need to be hooked up. If you do not use the single t-connector and still network, your only going to get the waypoints on your front unit and no contour lines. But if you network the way I'm showing you in the picture, I GUARANTEE you that you will get everything that you see on your console unit that has the Navionics chip in it on your bow unit.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | The Wanderer - 7/7/2008 6:49 PM
Shep,
That is how it is with my two LMS520C's that are networked to together via NMEA 2000 networking. Only the GPS info will run through the network, not the navionics data like you said.
Exactly! I'll bet your both running the NMEA2000 Network with a LGC2000 antennae module? The new LCX-27, 28HD, 37, 38HD, 112, and 113HD are running the LGC3000 antennae module on the NMEA 2000 Network(the LGC3000 just came out within the past year or so). To be able to see the contour lines on your network, you HAVE to be running the LGC3000 module. This is new stuff and just became available recently.
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| TJ-
If I get an LMS 520 & LCX 38c HD and network them, will I be able to see the preloaded 38c maps on the 520? Also, will the navionics/lakemaster chip data be viewable on the 520 when it is loaded in the 38?
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | momuskies - 7/8/2008 9:29 AM
TJ-
If I get an LMS 520 & LCX 38c HD and network them, will I be able to see the preloaded 38c maps on the 520? Also, will the navionics/lakemaster chip data be viewable on the 520 when it is loaded in the 38?
The preloaded maps, I do not think so. I honestly don't know for sure about the preloaded maps though, I only have the LCX-27's without the maps so I would have to take a look at a HD unit to find out.
Ok, first off, are you running an LGC-3000 module? That should have been the module that came with the 38c. |
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| I just talked to Lowrance and was told because of copy right laws that each unit must have a map chip in it to be able to see map details. If you have a HD unit this information is already in the unit and will show. If you do not have the HD unit with the preload data, the only map that would be shown on the unit without the chip in it is the base map without details. This is information given by the 2 Lowrance tech support people with whom I just spoke. This is with the LGC-3000 module. This is also the manner in which my units function. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Southshore - 7/8/2008 10:29 AM
I just talked to Lowrance and was told because of copy right laws that each unit must have a map chip in it to be able to see map details. If you have a HD unit this information is already in the unit and will show. If you do not have the HD unit with the preload data, the only map that would be shown on the unit without the chip in it is the base map without details. This is information given by the 2 Lowrance tech support people with whom I just spoke. This is with the LGC-3000 module. This is also the manner in which my units function.
I just pulled my boat out of the garage and turned on my units. I have a Navionics chip in my console unit and can see every contour line from that chip in my bow unit with no chip.
Obviously, now that Navico has taken over, the service reps have not be updated with the new equipment. If you follow the way I linked the double t-connector and the single T-connector like I posted above, you will see contours on your bow locator.
This afternoon before I fish league, I am going to shoot a short video clip about how my units are hooked up and are running. I promise that what I have stated in my previous posts you can do. But you HAVE to do it the way I have pointed out. One little misplacement of a t-connector, or a cord will not allow you to run the system I'm running.
Also, the Lowrance reps you have talked to are still talking the way the old blue connectors worked with the LGC-2000 antennae module. They are now on red connectors as you saw in my picture posted above. They have NOT been updated on the new information.
Look for my video clip late tonight or tomorrow. |
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| The techs were talking about the new red connectors. I would really like to see your video because my units are wired in the exact same manner as you show but there is no detail on the unit without the chip. I really want to see how you get the results off your units. I am running an X27 and a 520c but I was told by the techs that should not make a difference. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Southshore - 7/9/2008 7:53 AM
The techs were talking about the new red connectors. I would really like to see your video because my units are wired in the exact same manner as you show but there is no detail on the unit without the chip. I really want to see how you get the results off your units. I am running an X27 and a 520c but I was told by the techs that should not make a difference.
I will try to do the video today. I didn't have anyone familiar enough with a video camera around last night to do what I wanted. It was also very windy on the water last night and doing this by myself won't turn out as good but I'll do my best. |
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| It finally stopped raining and I was able to take a look at my 2 units on my boat. I believe the techs are correct and you are sharing waypoints but not map data between the 2 units. What you believe is the map data from your chip, is really the built in map data.
I am able to place a waypoint on a preloaded lake map that is built into my x27 and have it show up on the same lake map on 520. However, these maps were part of the preloaded software in each unit and not data off a chip. I tried this with several lakes in Vilas County (Lac Vieux Desert and the Twins).
I can do the same for LOTW using the chip in the x27 and get the waypoints to show on the base map (without detail i.e. contours, islands rocks). However the detailed map will not be shown without a chip in the unit.
If you have a chip for a Canadian lake or any other lake that is not preloaded, (i.e. the Cisco Chain) try it. I believe you are reading only the preloaded data as the techs have stated. This is with the 3000 antenna and the newest software.
Those techs work with these units everyday and field hundreds of calls each week. They are pretty good at what they do and are always eager to help.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Southshore - 7/10/2008 7:10 AM
It finally stopped raining and I was able to take a look at my 2 units on my boat. I believe the techs are correct and you are sharing waypoints but not map data between the 2 units. What you believe is the map data from your chip, is really the built in map data.
I am able to place a waypoint on a preloaded lake map that is built into my x27 and have it show up on the same lake map on 520. However, these maps were part of the preloaded software in each unit and not data off a chip. I tried this with several lakes in Vilas County (Lac Vieux Desert and the Twins).
I can do the same for LOTW using the chip in the x27 and get the waypoints to show on the base map (without detail i.e. contours, islands rocks). However the detailed map will not be shown without a chip in the unit.
If you have a chip for a Canadian lake or any other lake that is not preloaded, (i.e. the Cisco Chain) try it. I believe you are reading only the preloaded data as the techs have stated. This is with the 3000 antenna and the newest software.
Those techs work with these units everyday and field hundreds of calls each week. They are pretty good at what they do and are always eager to help.
So your telling me this is preloaded data on a unit that supposedly doesn't have preloaded data? Sorry, don't think so. This is not preloaded data I'm talking about. The only units with preloaded data are the HD units. I have LCX-27's that don't have preloaded data of any kind. So the only data you can see is the chip data. The newest units with the preloaded data include the LCX-28HD, 38HD, and 113HD. Those are the newest units with the preloaded data. So there is no possible way I'm getting preloaded data from one unit to another. That means it has to be the chip data. I understand the techs know there stuff, however, I worked with Ron Hunter who is the tournament support Lowrance guy and he's the one who helped me set my network up. I specifically asked him if this is going to work with a chip and he said yes. So I'm sticking with what I have heard from him because he would know.
As for your statement about the 3000 antennae and this being the newest software. It wouldn't make any sense if I was getting the preloaded maps on the 27 when they sell the 28HD with the preloaded maps. That unit costs another $100, why would anyone buy that unit if they can get the preloaded maps on the 27? |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Another point, when I pull the chip out, the data on both units goes away. That tells me I'm sharing chip data, not preloaded maps that I don't have on a LCX-27. |
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| You are wrong when you say the newer units don't have these maps already loaded on them. When I went to buy my units, I also believed that the x27 did not come with preloaded data. I thought only the HD cme with any preloaded data. The HD has 30GB internal hard drive preloaded with high-detail mapping/charts for coastal and inland navigation in and around the U.S. and Hawaii; much more data but the x27 has over 3000 lakes.
I just found this on their web site check it out.
LCX-27C
7" (17.8 cm) 16-bit color, SolarMax™ enhanced display, and includes built-in background maps of 3,000 U.S. lakes, and Lowrance radar compatibility.
http://www.lowrance.com/en/Products/Marine/Large-Screen-SonarGPS-Ch...
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Location: Edwardsville, IL | I have a lcx-27c on my dash (which does have the lowrance preloaded maps) and a lms-522c on my bow. I have them networked as was shown in the picture with the 3000 puck. I have my navionics chip in the dash unit and I cannot access that chip from my bow unit. On my bow unit when i go to map data the only map choice I have is the lowrance preloaded map. |
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| I FINALLY got my Michigan Lowrance chip, Lakemaster if I remember right in the mail this week. I got the pair of 520c's in late May. I have the 3000 module. I am eager to go out tomorrow and try this out. I was planning on moving the card from unit to unit, when I went to the bow to cast. I learned early on that 2 cards would be needed, one fellow said as he had just got off the phone w/Lowrance. We shall see... |
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| Just bought an 28HD. installed it and noticed it's the 2000 puck. was told by navionics and the dealer that the only difference is the connecting to the unit (need an extra cord with the 2000 puck) and radar capabilities. I was told networking to share data won't be a problem. at this point i don't have a GPS unit up front but will upgrade eventually. Comments are appreciated. |
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| I have my units (113 and 332) hooked up the same way as in the picture and I can not share chip data. I realize that the 332 is not the newest unit out there but if I could share chip information between the two I would gladly buy a new unit.
MercKid, It's been a while since you posted on here have you figured out wether this actually works or not? |
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| There is no way the map can be viewed with one chip unless you are viewing a lake that is preloaded on the unit. Merc Kid was seeing the built in map data and thinking the chip was being shared. Buying a new unit will require buying another chip. To see the detailed map on both units you need a chip in each unit or each unit must be preloaded with detailed maps (as the new models X27, 520C etc ).
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| I used the 520c last night with the Michigan Lakemaster chip and it was dead on. Passing over a hump, it showed us right on it. This is our local lake that has an enhanced version on this chip. Others wont be as detailed. Shows our breakwater arms and buoys that are not on our background maps. It would be nice if both could use the one card but.....  |
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| Merckid sorry to burst your bubble....but the newer units do have maps loaded on them...NOT just the HD units...how do I know that...522c has maps in them w/ no chip loaded...
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