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MikeHulbert
Posted 3/22/2008 7:42 PM (#309067)
Subject: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
Looking to get a new camera for this year. Looking for something with the fastest delay time...if that makes sence...

The one I have is about 2 years old, 8 megapixel and it takes a few seconds between photos to snap another one. Looking to get one with 2 things...
1. Big wide screen in the back
2. Fastest delay time inbetween taking photos.

Thanks for any and all your help.
esoxfly
Posted 3/22/2008 8:44 PM (#309083 - in reply to #309067)
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Location: Kodiak, AK
Looking for a DSLR or a point and shoot?
shaley
Posted 3/22/2008 8:48 PM (#309085 - in reply to #309083)
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes
I run mine in movie mode then take the frames off you want.
sworrall
Posted 3/22/2008 8:51 PM (#309087 - in reply to #309067)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
We use DSLRs, D40 Nikon, D50 Nikon, and a D80. REALLY fast, great features and easy to use. The 40 also accepts the SDHC 4 gig card. Got my 40 with the 18 to55, plenty of lens for the rig, for around $475. Get a $60 Pelican Case and the camera can knock around the rig, even in the rain. You can also carry the Archos and hat cam in the Pelican.


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MikeHulbert
Posted 3/22/2008 8:54 PM (#309088 - in reply to #309067)
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
Just looking for a simple point and shoot with a wide screen and a fast. Any more suggestions? I'll look into that Nikon Steve, thanks!
Tackle Industries
Posted 3/22/2008 9:03 PM (#309090 - in reply to #309067)
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Location: Land of the Musky
I have four Fuji E550 cameras. Great camera IMO and you can pick them up on eBay for about $40-$60. Plug and play into a computer with no programs too. I take all my lure pics with one. They have all the settings (if you know how to use them). My first one cost me over $300 and was worth it then. I buy them when I think of it just ot have extra ones on hand.
James
esoxfly
Posted 3/23/2008 1:17 AM (#309129 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Kodiak, AK
I have a Sony Alpha. I would've like to have gone Cannon, but being a Minolta guy back in the days of film, I have a bag full of lenses. The Sony is a helluva camera though, and I don't have the first complaint.

For a point and shoot, I carry an Olympus 720. Submersable waterproof, shockproof, size of a deck of cards. They're up to a 770 now which is crush and freezeproof as well. They're 7.1 mp, and the shot-to-shot delay is quick enough for my satisfaction for taking fish pics, which is what I bought it for.
Matt Collins
Posted 3/23/2008 12:12 PM (#309199 - in reply to #309129)
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I have a sony cybershot, and it seems to recover fairly fast to take another photo. Only complaint I have(and this may be the case with most dig. cameras) is that thing sucks the juice out of batteries pretty fast.
Manta18
Posted 3/23/2008 6:58 PM (#309270 - in reply to #309199)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...




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Location: Long Prairie, Minnesota
Mike:

Have to go with Steve on this one. The SLR's are definately the way to go. I use an Olympus and it is sweet. Put a 2 gig memory card into it and can store 2000 pics on it. Plus you can shoot a ton of shots in a matter of seconds. Throw in a pelican case like Steve mentioned and you are golden. Might cost you some extra greenbacks in the beginning, but you will definately not regret it at all!!
esoxfly
Posted 3/23/2008 7:20 PM (#309283 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Kodiak, AK
Agreed. I use my DSLR in a boat, but on foot I don't like carrying it and trying to keep it dry. Then I carry the Olympus 720.
MikeHulbert
Posted 3/23/2008 8:13 PM (#309299 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
Those Nikon's look really nice, but I want a larger screen in the back. I have NEVER used the eye view finder on a digital camera and I want to have the biggest screen possible. Sony seems to have the largest screens....any thoughts on how fast their delay time is?
Jason Bomber
Posted 3/24/2008 11:26 AM (#309417 - in reply to #309299)
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I will never!!! buy a sony!

2 of my friends have the "nicer Sonys" $400-$600 range half the pics on both of them are terrible. Especialy at night be prepared to take 5 seconds between photos in the dark only to have 1 of 3 pics be blurry.

Fujis rock
I'm on my third now and a few friends buy them now because of it.
I've even droped an older fuji in the lake and used it for years after.
I would Look at the f series.

Jason




Manta18
Posted 3/24/2008 11:38 AM (#309420 - in reply to #309417)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...




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Location: Long Prairie, Minnesota
Agree with Jason on the Sony's. While the one we have at work takes really nice pictures, the time between pics is way longer than any other camera i have used. The recovery time between shots only gets worse the more demanding the setting is for the picture, i.e. Nighttime, etc
MikeHulbert
Posted 3/24/2008 11:44 AM (#309423 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
Thanks Jason, I will look into those FUJI's!
Magruter
Posted 3/24/2008 11:56 AM (#309424 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Madison, WI
Sony's are nice but the big problem is their proprietarymemory cards (pro duo). You'll end up spending about $10 a gig for memory. Where secure digitals you'll spend about $5 per gig. The wife has a DSC-W80, it's take nice pictures and is pretty quick to bounce back after pictures. But if you're looking for very quick, as Steve said go with a DSLR. They are a little bulky, but it will take a much better picture and there's no delay.

Check out
http://dealnews.com/categories/Electronics/Cameras/167.html
for some good up-to-date deals
and for some reviews. I'll ask some buddies who have some higher end cameras to see what sites they use.
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/?tag=glnav
Magruter
Posted 3/24/2008 12:00 PM (#309426 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Madison, WI
Here's one.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm
and another
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/

cnet can sometime be a little bias.
esoxfly
Posted 3/24/2008 12:06 PM (#309427 - in reply to #309424)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Kodiak, AK
Magruter - 3/24/2008 9:56 AM

Sony's are nice but the big problem is their proprietarymemory cards (pro duo).....But if you're looking for very quick, as Steve said go with a DSLR. They are a little bulky, but it will take a much better picture and there's no delay.


Agreed on the DSLR, and the Sony DSLR (vice CyberShot) takes standard Compact Flash cards.
bn
Posted 3/24/2008 1:56 PM (#309453 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: RE: Another Digital Camera question...


Pentax Optio W30. Waterproof, nice big screen and even takes decent video
esoxfly
Posted 3/24/2008 2:16 PM (#309456 - in reply to #309420)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Kodiak, AK
Jason Bomber - 3/24/2008 9:26 AM

I will never!!! buy a sony!

2 of my friends have the "nicer Sonys" $400-$600 range half the pics on both of them are terrible. Especialy at night be prepared to take 5 seconds between photos in the dark only to have 1 of 3 pics be blurry.



Manta18 - 3/24/2008 9:38 AM

Agree with Jason on the Sony's. While the one we have at work takes really nice pictures, the time between pics is way longer than any other camera i have used. The recovery time between shots only gets worse the more demanding the setting is for the picture, i.e. Nighttime, etc


Are you guys speaking of DSLR's or Cybershots? There's a significant difference between the two platforms.

The problems each of you site, aren't the camera's problems, but are the nature of low light photography. The longer shutter speeds at night take more "information" into the camera. It has to sort through it and put it to disc. Instead of taking in 1/1000 sec. worth of image, it's taking in 3/4 sec up to 30 seconds of imagery. It's got to commit all of that digital information to memory. That's the nature of the beast. Some cameras can work faster, but you'll find that in the $1500+ bodies.

Likewise, "blurry" shots aren't a function of the camera, it's a function of the camera not being held still while the shutter is open. Even a $6000 Cannon will be blurry if you don't hold it perfectly still while shooting in low light.

Jeff

Edited by esoxfly 3/24/2008 2:19 PM
Jason Bomber
Posted 3/24/2008 3:30 PM (#309471 - in reply to #309456)
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I believe they both have DSLRs, but the fact of the matter is My old 3.2 fuji takes less blurred pics than the brand new 8.3 sonys.

"Even a $6000 Cannon will be blurry if you don't hold it perfectly still while shooting in low light. "

I do 90 percent of my fishing at night. All my photos are at night. The pic quality has nothing to do with me not holding the camera still.
esox50
Posted 3/24/2008 6:21 PM (#309505 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Along the same lines as Brad, my vote goes for the waterproof, freezeproof, crushproof Olympus Stylus 770. As far as point and shoot cams this one has been sweet. I have snorkeled with it for the last ~2 months and it has been fantastic. Have jumped off a 30' waterfall with it attached to my wrist and still no problems. Most cams have a feature that allows you to take up to 16 photos in rapid succession (a few seconds). Might be a nice feature for a guide to take a sequence of shots from the net, hold, and back into the water.
Willis
Posted 3/24/2008 9:51 PM (#309542 - in reply to #309505)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...




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Location: New Brighton, MN
You should take a look at Casio's low profile cameras. Very thin profile, with a huge LCD screens in back, and take pics quick, VERY little or no delay.

http://www.casio.com/products/Cameras/Exilim_Card/EX-S10BK/

Edited by Willis 3/24/2008 9:57 PM
esoxfly
Posted 3/24/2008 10:13 PM (#309549 - in reply to #309471)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Kodiak, AK
Jason Bomber - 3/24/2008 1:30 PM

I believe they both have DSLRs, but the fact of the matter is My old 3.2 fuji takes less blurred pics than the brand new 8.3 sonys.

"Even a $6000 Cannon will be blurry if you don't hold it perfectly still while shooting in low light. "

I do 90 percent of my fishing at night. All my photos are at night. The pic quality has nothing to do with me not holding the camera still.


I'm not wanting to argue, but rather clarify. By blurry or blurred, are you referring to general picture quality, exposure, depth of focus and resolution, or the image actually being blurred, as in showing motion? If you use flash, you're good to go, and your shutter speed can remain nice and quick, and the image nice and crisp. But flash can wreak havoc on exposure and image quality if the camera didn't meter properly. This can wash out the image and ruin a good picture. And an apeture not set correctly can leave parts of an image out of focus, due to shallow depth of focus. But true blurriness is motion being captured on the sensor or film, depending on format, and unless it's a fighter jet at high speed, it has to do with slower shutter speed and camera movement. It's why you use a tripod and remote release when taking landspcapes and images of the Aurora or other night shots with no flash and slow ss.

Again, I'm not wanting to argue or get off topic, but I hate to see a camera villianized for the wrong reason. Sony makes a fine camera.
esoxfly
Posted 3/24/2008 10:16 PM (#309550 - in reply to #309067)
Subject: Re: Another Digital Camera question...





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Location: Kodiak, AK
Let me add- I can't speak to the Cybershot. They may very well suck. But the Sony Alpha platform is well done.
Manta18
Posted 3/24/2008 10:26 PM (#309551 - in reply to #309550)
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Location: Long Prairie, Minnesota
Sorry......and to clarify, I was speaking about the Cybershot.

The DSLR that I have is an Olympus.
sworrall
Posted 3/24/2008 10:28 PM (#309552 - in reply to #309550)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Ahh, I have the solution to all the worry about blurry...

This body and this lens, with VR....

Nikon D50, AF-S NIKKOR 16-200mm :3.5-5.6G ED
Lens will mount up with a D40 too.
Images shot with my knock around SLR: Panasonic DCM-FZ8, Image quality set at .3 megapixel wich is 640X480 pixels, perfect for the boards. When I use it to shoot anything serious, I set it to 7 megapixel. Cool little digital SLR


Probably more than Mike wants to spend, but when I point this camera and hit that shutter button, I'm going to get great images.


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sworrall
Posted 3/24/2008 10:55 PM (#309560 - in reply to #309552)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Another point:
One image was shot with the Panasonic at .3 megapixel, the other resized to the same pixel count. Which is which? Good glass is important, google digital imaging and you'll read article after article that the the lens quality pretty much determines the overall picture quality if the rest of the camera is made reasonably well.


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RyanJoz
Posted 3/24/2008 11:04 PM (#309561 - in reply to #309560)
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL
is the top one higher resolution? The ceiling in the back room is where i noticed a SLIGHT difference
bn
Posted 3/25/2008 9:02 AM (#309602 - in reply to #309067)
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Mike, with all the crappy days you spend on the water IMO you would be smart to look at waterproof or water resistant cameras...the Pentax is water PROOF so you can get it soaking wet, even take release pics underwater and not have to worry....
takes good pics, 7 megapixels, and has a big screen.
do you want a big bulky camera or something small that is waterproof and takes good pics?
as for the time it takes to recover between shots..it's minimal...
RiverMan
Posted 3/25/2008 12:53 PM (#309643 - in reply to #309067)
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Location: Oregon
Mike,

The lengthy delay you are talking about may just be a result of the image size selected on your camera. If you haven't already, change the size of the image to something smaller like what you would use to email someone instead of something with tons of pixels. With an 8megapixel camera the delay is probably the camera storing the huge image. Just a thought.

I bought a 6 megapix Pentax Optio WPI a couple years ago which is waterproof. I bought the camera because lots of anglers spoke highly of them here in the west. The camera has given me no problems whatsoever and like it for the most part. My only complaint would be that the movie quality is low. You might look at this camera.

Jed



Edited by RiverMan 3/25/2008 12:55 PM
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