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| Local angler weighted in on cert scales a fat pre spawn muskie, Gregg Thomas's client today got a 50 incher. Also congrats to Big Daddy Love (Big Dave) on a fat 48 resently |
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Location: Cedar, MN | If he weighed on a cert. scale,I guess its dead then. Pre-spawn. |
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| Calm down guys.
Cave run is stocked fishery. Not really any spawning going on there.
Edited by BALDY 3/18/2008 9:06 AM
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| I guess weighing a fish on a scale from wal-mart...then testing it somewhere to make sure its acurate doesnt count... just saying, thats what could have happened....you dont know if its dead or not.
Congrats to the guy that got the fish and the guide as well.
Edited by Reelwise 3/18/2008 9:21 AM
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Lighten up. Nice fish guys. Tony please keep letting us know whats going on down there will ya.
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Location: Madison, WI | Have any pictures? I love BIG southern fish. |
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Location: WI | What's the state record down there? |
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| Guest, you should use your name, but, i agree.dead fish.
Even if that body of water does not have normal spawning habits, that fish has NO chance of becoming 45 pounds now does it. So don't jump all over somebody because he/she questions why it was bonked.
Its funny to me that the most publicity every year goes to the guy that KILLS a fish. give me a break.
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Location: Bloomer, Wi | tony can you get some pics of big Daves fish I havent seen that man in over a year. Congrats to him! and thanks for keeping us informed
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No one jumped all over anyone, Bad Brad apparently didn't know there's no natural reproduction on the Cave and that it's a 'put and take' stocked fishery, so a correction was posted, and someone asked a guy to login who then for some unknown reason advised himself to log in, which of course isn't required here so that point is moot.
Local anglers account for much of the Muskie harvest on the Cave, and the fisheries folks down there expect that muskies will be harvested and manage the system accordingly.
I'd like to see pictures of ALL the above mentioned fish! |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Present official KY. state record:
Muskellunge
44.38 lbs.
Scott A. Flatt
Lexington, KY
Cave Run Lake
05/09/98
Sooo, this one was just a bit shy. m |
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| Congratulations to the angler and guide! |
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| Bmax, I'm definitely not patting the guy on the back. I wish he wouldn't have killed it, but, like Worrall said, the fishery is managed for stuff like that.
Besides, we don't even know if he killed it for sure. All Tony said was it was weighed. That does not guarantee that it is dead. Chances are high, but we can't say for sure.
And if he did kill it...that sucks, but jumping all over somebody that kills a fish will likely not stop them from doing it the next time. |
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| Baldy,
I understand that we do not know if it was killed. IF it was released kudos. But if it was only two pounds from a state record, do we not think he thought it MIGHT have been a record and thats why it was bonked?
I am not trying to jump all over anyone. It just seems wierd that the most publicity this year was from DEAD fish. Does not seem fair to the guys who released huge fish that were as close to the records as others that were bonked and do not here anything about them.
I have seen many pictures on this and other sites of HUGE fish that were released. It seems we give them a congrats and then be on there way. IF it is a dead fish and someone speaks out about it, then whomever stuck their neck out to support what they believe in gets pounded by guys who are not willing to go against the grain.
this is just my opinion.
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| someone speaks out about it, then whomever stuck their neck out to support what they believe in gets pounded by guys who are not willing to go against the grain. this is just my opinion.
imho, no one gets "pounded" around here, we simply don't allow it.
we allow other opinions and disagreement to be expressed, but our expectations are that it be done in a respectful manner. even strong disagreement is not the same as "pounding" on someone in the sense of personal attacks; that's a very important distinction to us.
you're welcome to your opinion, Maxey, and just like everyone else you're free to post it here as long as it's done in a respectful way. in point of fact, your opinion is the majority opinion on release issues! that opinion runs awful dang strong on this site in favor of 100% release.
as you point out, it's absolutely legitimate to ask the question: "why did this fish need to be killed?" and to suggest there's no good answer, that every fish should be released no matter what.
it's also ok for other people to express their opinion that the harvest of a potential state record fish (pending being weighed on a certified scale) could be a legit reason for harvest.
there is no such thing as one-sided discussion. somewhat ironically, imho, the reason that dead fish have garnered more attention in some ways than released fish is the amount of shouting done about the fact that they were harvested.
just because we allow for various and different opinions to be respectfully presented does not mean that we personally support those opinions or condone harvesting of trophy fish. that's a gross misrepresentation of the perspective of the majority of MuskieFirst members and the editorial stance of it's operating team.
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| Tony was Greggs clients 50" the 42 pound fish or to diffrent fish?? |
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Location: Michigan | maxey - 3/18/2008 1:39 PM
Baldy,
I understand that we do not know if it was killed. IF it was released kudos. But if it was only two pounds from a state record, do we not think he thought it MIGHT have been a record and thats why it was bonked?
I am not trying to jump all over anyone. It just seems wierd that the most publicity this year was from DEAD fish. Does not seem fair to the guys who released huge fish that were as close to the records as others that were bonked and do not here anything about them.
I have seen many pictures on this and other sites of HUGE fish that were released. It seems we give them a congrats and then be on there way. IF it is a dead fish and someone speaks out about it, then whomever stuck their neck out to support what they believe in gets pounded by guys who are not willing to go against the grain.
this is just my opinion.
Brian Maxey
I know I hear/see quite a bit more about released muskies than kept ones, simply because most are released by muskie anglers.
It seems that the very few big fish that are kept and end up mentioned on the various muskie related sites would also get a congrats and be on their way, but instead it usually turns out to be a long drawn out affair because of a few individuals taking it too personally and criticizing the angler for keeping it (without knowing the circumstance). I think that is where the publicity comes from.
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Location: N.FIB | I fished the cave a couple of times,and found out that local anglers keep and eat them alot.I had a guy tell me at the gas station that he had a couple of keeper bass,told him I was muskie fishing and he said I would rather have a muskie than the bass.He said that he thinks muskies taste better than walleye down that way,maybe so,but keeping fish is a way of life down there. |
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| Dave Smith caught a nice 48 inch musky fishing with me last Thursday and let me know he had 4 fish again this Thursday! |
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| I don't think Gregg would let someone kill a fish on purpose. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | From what I get, the fish that was weighed was not caught by 'muskie guys', nor by guides. Getting that beast in on 20 pound test must have been something. Looks like I should stock up on nightcrawlers? m |
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| It just seems weird that the most publicity this year was from DEAD fish. Does not seem fair to the guys who released huge fish that were as close to the records as others that were bonked and do not here anything about them.
i dunno...
ask yourself what's more impactful on people who visit this site: the occasional (very occasional) mention or picture of a kept fish, or the literally daily posting of pictures of released fish? during open-water season there's a constant barrage of pictures of released monsters. heck, there's whole threads of release pictures, and they're one of the most popular/viewed threads every time.
and how about the front-page Lax Catch and Release contest? that contest alone generates more new registered members to this site than any other single thing...all so that people can enter trophy fish (released!) into a contest to win a replica. the numbers of entries and picture views there show the impact.
as for highlighting the released potential state trophy fish?
i believe that this released state record fish got more attention and page views in '07 than any thread about any kept fish.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=36...
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=38...
From what I get, the fish that was weighed was not caught by 'muskie guys'
which suggests to me that arguing amongst ourselves about these issues is sort of like spitting in the wind...pointless and messy.
what are people actually DOING to educate new or "old school" fishermen to the benefits and value of releasing fish? complaining about the occasional "nice fish" comment about a kept fish is hardly going to change the world...
this winter a new neighbor moved in next door to me. commenting on my wife's Tuffy jacket, he asked if i was a muskie fisherman and commented about how he likes muskie fishing too. he explained how he and his buddy go up to Vilas Co about 3 weekends a year fishing muskies, and that when they go they use his buddy's Esox Magnum because it's easier to control fish in the bottom of the boat than in his small v-hull aluminum.
so at this point i made a choice, rather than berating his poor fish handling practices, i simply invited him to go fishing the first week of the season. i figure that'll be a good opportunity to model and talk about fish-friendly methods.
that's the kind of thing that works, because it involves actual doing. it'll never happen by flaming people on message boards.
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this winter a new neighbor moved in next door to me. commenting on my wife's Tuffy jacket, he asked if i was a muskie fisherman and commented about how he likes muskie fishing too. he explained how he and his buddy go up to Vilas Co about 3 weekends a year fishing muskies, and that when they go they use his buddy's Esox Magnum because it's easier to control fish in the bottom of the boat than in his small v-hull aluminum.
so at this point i made a choice, rather than berating his poor fish handling practices, i simply invited him to go fishing the first week of the season. i figure that'll be a good opportunity to model and talk about fish-friendly methods.
that's the kind of thing that works, because it involves actual doing. it'll never happen by flaming people on message boards.
It seems as though many of us took the Angler's Legacy challenge - this seems like a perfect opportunity to make good on that pledge. They may not be new to angling, but an opportunity to tell and even show someone the advantages of C & R, and to show them better ways to insure survival of captured fish is no less important IMO. What better way to convey how 'we' as muskie anglers conduct ourselves than to exhibit it right in front of them?
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| The fish was caught by local angler that fishes 20 days a year for MEAT. Most meat eaters down here only catch a few per year. They are not willing to work that hard for muskies. The says they can keep any fish over 30 inches, the state puts in over 2500 per year and I would guess that about 200 per year are caught by meat eaters, Probably another 200 or more killed by hard core muskie anglers. So who is right??? It's still the law. 18 years ago NOBODY released muskies on Cave Run including me now 90 % do let them go. The fishing has always been good down here. Remember in the 80's 2 fish at 57 and 56 inches were caught here, even with catch and release none since. If you don't think you KILL A FEW while practicing catch and release you don't know much about this sport...Great release, fast photo, quality handling or not, muskies die from stress of being caught. I am not defending meat eaters but can't understand why instead of saying Cave Run put out an awesome fish that few places do, we dwell on they guy who had the option and keep it. Too much computer time I think.. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tony, thanks. Keep posting the big fish from the Cave, I for one am very interested in all of them, released, harvested, or abducted by aliens.
Note to all who entertain themselves by making HUGE assumptions:
1) I support CPR. Have since 1984. Problem there? I don't think so, but maybe I've not been at it long enough to satisfy some folks...no idea. My comments on the Cave stocking (etc.) are the result of interviewing, in person, the fisheries managers there a couple years back, and are not my viewpoint. Like it or not, that's the way the fishery is managed, why shoot at the messenger?
2) What lambeau said in the above post. Thanks Mike, for trying.
3) Tony, KEEP THE REPORTS COMING!
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Location: Madison, WI | lambeau - 3/19/2008 7:46 AM
did you say abducted by aliens???
ROFL!!! What's going on there? |
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| Just like Men in Black...look in to this light and you'll forget everything that just happened!!! I want more weird musky pictures like these! Guys swimmin with the fish on the release, aliens, carnival cruise ship muskies...Awesome!! |
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| Tony,
Great post, thanks for the update! Just got back from the Cave myself and I got one in two days. Saw a couple of guys lose a pretty nice 48-50 inch fish. Heard of a few others who caught.
On the topic of keeping or releasing, I ran into an older gentleman down there who was trolling for musky in a 14ft jon boat. He and I had luch together in a little cove and he told me that he likes to keep the 30-36" fish to eat. Says that he lives alone and gets a few good meals out of a keeper. He prefaced telling me that by saying that he knows that it's not "politically correct" and said, "now don't scold me but I like to eat them". Very nice guy, he gave me some good tips, and good spots.
He said that he releases any big ones that he catches, only likes the "barely legals" but that he get's alot more out of fishing for them than catching crappie.
To each his own. Steve's right, it's a put and take fishery, and while I'd love to know that every musky caught down there is gonna grow up to be a 40lber, I sure wouldn't want to tell that feller that he's wrong for putting legal food on his table. |
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| I have to back up what Tony was saying here. There is a bad stigma that goes along with southern musky fisherman. The thought that everyone who catches a musky out of Cave Run keeps it, WRONG. Granted there are a few guys that will go out when the fish are really on and keep them for the table, BUT guess what, that happens everywhere, period. They vast majority of muskies caught on this lake are released.
As far as the guy who caught the 42 pounder goes, he was not with a guide and caught it on his own. The fish was weighed on a spring scale by hatchery biologists at 42 lbs. They told him that it wasn't official and if he wanted an official weight to take it to Krogers, which he did not. He couldn't care less about any record or official weight. It was the biggest fish of his life and he kept it. It was a legal fish so it really doesn't matter. I'm not saying I would have kept it but he did.
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| Was it caught by a muskie guy ? Any idea about lure ? Did he keep it for the meat or think he had the record ? I wish he would have released it . Still good to know there are 40 lb'ers in there. MD |
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