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| Say you have noticed that you are having some success fishing a specific dock on the edge of somone's property. One day ( after you have fished this place a number of times) the owner comes walking down frm their cottage and asks in a rather rude manner that you not fish near their dock or even in "their" bay. What do you do? If I could post a video I would show you an incident that I would rather not have again...
Here is the clip.... not very good quality, i grabbed my digital in disbeleif and was trying to watch and the screen at the time and then the camera died.you can see how close he is to the back of my motor though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0QJGjgQW5A
Edited by Will Dykstra 3/13/2008 2:01 PM
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | No reason to say anything, as you will lose that battle no matter what you tell him if he is that upset and irrate. I would simply ignore him and continue fishing. |
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| That is what I did and a "gentleman" on LOTW hopped in his boat and ran circles around me screaming obscenities, coming within 18 inches ( no more than 18 anyways) of my motor......
Edited by Will Dykstra 3/13/2008 1:50 PM
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| As a waterfront property owner, I admit it would frost me a bit to see someone repeatedly catching muskies casting at my dock. But the truth is that my property ends where the water starts. I own the dock, so tresspassing on it would be crossing the line. But nobody owns the water. The lake is for everyone, (unless of course it's private, which mine is not) and everyone is entitled to use it. That means catching muskies around my dock. If it were me, I might say something along the lines of "hey, I notice you have a fair amount of success fishing right here. I paid a lot of money for this property right here, and having a good spot right in front of my lot is something that means a lot to me. I can't tell you not to fish here, but would you mind keeping this spot under your hat?"
Now in your case, as the "offender" (relax, that was a joke) I would remind them that their lot line ends at the edge of the lake, and that you have as much of a right to fish that spot as they do. If that's not good enough for them? Well screw 'em. I have a friend who guides that encountered the same situation with a very irate property owner. I believe what my friend said in that case was "yeah, I heard 'ya. And if you don't shut the %^$& up I'm gonna come up there and beat your %^^ and throw 'ya in the $^%&$^ lake! How would 'ya like THAT?"
I wouldn't suggest that of course, but the guy did leave him alone after that.
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | why would it make you mad if you saw somebody catching muskies from in front of your dock? If you didn't like it...get your boat out and catch 'em before somebody else does!!! |
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| Sounds like Crazy Old Man Bay on the Goon.
I actually kind of thought that guy was going in the house to get his shotgun
I would ignore them and keep fishing. If that garnered the extreme response that you got...there may be a hookless Weagle upside the head. And then, we'd have a few "words" on shore |
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Location: Verona, WI | This one actually hits pretty close to home. Waldo and I were on LOTW in July and were fishing an island that had a bunch of little bays like fingers on the NE side. We were just fishing (nowhere near their dock or anything - just in a bay on the island) and no one had said anything to us or us to them. All of a sudden the folks on the island run in one direction. Next thing, out of the neighboring bay came the people that lived on the island in a boat in an attempt to ram us. Just as I was getting ready to decide to jump they pealed off to miss us and then spent the rest of the encounter screaming at us to stay off their water and that they owned the lake.
We didn't talk much but came back and reported this incident. Depending on the area these can get dangerous.
Shane
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| ShaneW - 3/13/2008 1:06 PM
Next thing, out of the neighboring bay came the people that lived on the island in a boat in an attempt to ram us. Just as I was getting ready to decide to jump they pealed off to miss us and then spent the rest of the encounter screaming at us to stay off their water and that they owned the lake.
WOW!!
What is WRONG with these people? |
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| anyone know how to post a video? |
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| People are really stupid sometimes. Makes you wonder how some of these crazies make it through the day standing upright. |
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Location: Michigan | If a scenario happened to me like that in my home state of Michigan, I would report them under the angler harassment law. Not sure what other states or the province of Ontario has something simular. |
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| Will Dykstra - 3/13/2008 1:16 PM
anyone know how to post a video?
put it on YouTube and link to it |
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Location: Waukesha, WI | Esoxaddict- I think you are wrong on two of your points. You are correct that your property ends at the shore line. You do not own the property beyond that. Therefore, if my lure lands on your pier, I have the right to walk on that pier to recover my lure. The pier is over the publicly owned space-the lake. I would never do it, but I believe I have the legal right to get off my boat and sit on your pier and fish. Then the comment about the private lake. Let's assume that there is a stream that comes through your property and I canoe the stream or walk the streambed, I can fish "your lake". If you have a large lake that is landlocked, I think I can land my seaplane on the lake and fish. |
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| Well, Mike... (Hulbert) its a combination of things, actually. $1600 a month for one. And the fact the reason I bought it was to be far away from the madhouse that urban lakes become, in a place with great muskie fishing and not many people. The idea that I can walk out on my pier and catch a 30 pounder is priceless. It's why I work for a living. Seeing someone right in front of my dock, catching a bunch of muskies? Yeah, that's gonna bug me. Not mad at THEM necessarily, they're just a bunch of guys who probably love to fish as much as I do. But dang, can't they go somewhere else, like 219' West? Or East?
Chances are if it ever happens it will be somebody I know anyway, so I really won't care. Knowing that I can fish there and catch fish while they're 200 miles away at home wishing they had a place on a lake? Well, that makes it better. Most I would say would probably be "nice fish!" and leave it at that. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | BALDY - 3/13/2008 12:04 PM
Sounds like Crazy Old Man Bay on the Goon.
I actually kind of thought that guy was going in the house to get his shotgun
I would ignore them and keep fishing. If that garnered the extreme response that you got...there may be a hookless Weagle upside the head. And then, we'd have a few "words" on shore
That was my first thought too. Fun times. He sure carried on for a while.
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| L.H.: I believe I also own anything that is physically attached to that property, which would include my pier. Pretty sure you'd be tresspassing if you set foot on it to get a lure. Not that I'd expect you to leave it there or anything, you paid $20 for it after all. Sitting on the pier and fishing? Well, I'd have to draw the line there. Unless you asked of course. As long as I'm not there, somebody might as well use it. |
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| EA, I don't get why it would bug you if other fellow musky fishermen would catch muskies in and around your pier?
Having a place up north too, I would get a kick out of it and it would not bug me in the slightest, in fact I would actually LIKE to see guys catching muskies near my pier. What a hoot that would be to sit on the deck drink a beer and watch a musky dude catch one by your pier.
If anyone came down to the pier and razzed me I'd laugh at him and tell him to lighten up.
Most of the time when fishing shallow in and around docks people come down to talk about the fishing and the crazy lures we toss and the to just banter. Haven't had anyone get ticket yet. |
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| I have run into this situation a few times. For the most part I ignore them, and usually I get out of there pretty quick anyway. However I did have a situation where the landowner made a treatening remark towards me, and this guy got to the point where he did step over the line. He then invited me to come onto his property so he could attempt to carry out his threatening remark. I did take him up on the offer, it didn't work out the way he had planned.
The way I looked at it after the fact was this guy probably has been intimidating people for awhile (he did look a little crazy) and he needed to be taught a lesson.
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Location: Michigan | Man thats bad! I would feel my life was in danger and protect myself at all costs by killing him. |
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| Wow....just saw your video. That guy needs a lesson.
What sucks about that is I'm sure it put a damper on your trip, if not for at least the rest of the day. Thats is not what we go up to places like that for. Too bad there wasnt a reef there. |
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In MN, you do not own the "area" of water that your dock covers.
Legally, it is not tresspassing to be on someone's dock. The only way it would was if you dock had no supports, or legs that went into the lake. If the dock only touched your property, and extended out into the water than I wouldn't have legal access to it.
Swimming rafts, same deal. Anyone can use a raft in the lake.
It's much like putting up a deer stand on public land. You might own the stand, but anyone can climb up in it, and you can't do a thing about it.
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Location: WI | I had someone run circles around me in their pontoon last summer in NW WI. They even followed me to the boat launch to try and fight me! Apparently they owned the whole lake. I called the DNR tip line and the town constable. Not sure what happened after that.
I would keep fishing wherever I wanted, I would just do it really early in the morning or later at night when they're not around or sleeping.
My inner smarta@@ wants to shoot a flare gun at them. |
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| You have 3 options.
You can leave well enough alone and never return to that spot,
You can ignore him and continue fishing and hope it never turns to blows,
or (my personal favoritie) you can scan in a map and mark the location of you new friend and encourage everyone on the boards to fish this area. |
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| You have 3 options.
You can leave well enough alone and never return to that spot,
You can ignore him and continue fishing and hope it never turns to blows,
or (my personal favoritie) you can scan in a map and mark the location of you new friend and encourage everyone on the boards to fish this area. |
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Location: The desert | Hoop - 3/13/2008 3:35 PM
You have 3 options.
You can leave well enough alone and never return to that spot,
You can ignore him and continue fishing and hope it never turns to blows,
or (my personal favoritie) you can scan in a map and mark the location of you new friend and encourage everyone on the boards to fish this area.
I like option 3, have everyone pick a day and just have a Ranger, Tuffy, Crestliner, Lund parade. |
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| Funnier still would be to take a bunch of pictures of his pier and then photoshop everyone you know holding a fish with his pier in the background. Then you could post them all here. 27 muskies in the same spot in one season? That's AMAZING!! |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | That clip reminds me of fishing in Indiana on a daily basis!!! LOL |
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| john skarie - 3/13/2008 2:08 PM
In MN, you do not own the "area" of water that your dock covers.
Legally, it is not tresspassing to be on someone's dock. The only way it would was if you dock had no supports, or legs that went into the lake. If the dock only touched your property, and extended out into the water than I wouldn't have legal access to it.
Swimming rafts, same deal. Anyone can use a raft in the lake.
It's much like putting up a deer stand on public land. You might own the stand, but anyone can climb up in it, and you can't do a thing about it.
JS
Under your theory, I could just hope in your boat, the same as using the swimming raft. You sure you don't mind me taking it out for a spin? |
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| i have this happen to me just about every day in the summer when i am bass fishing i have to walk buy a chirch camp swimming beach to get to a favorite weed bed of mine. If there are kids in the swimming are im not gonna throw into them so i walk out side of there little bouys. (by the way i am in the water not on shore) but if there are not kids in there i cut right through it and every day a differnet person yells at me for being inside there swimming area. And i just wave and keep on casting but sometimes they get really into it as running into the water but stopping short as like a threat but i just keep on fishing. I think that some people just need to chill life is too short to worry about people catching fish by your dock or cutting through a swimming area at a small bass lake. |
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