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| I've been doing some pre-shopping for boats and I'm interested in the X-190. The problem I have is that my truck is only a V-6 w/ a 5000 pound towing capacity, but I'd really like to have a fiber glass boat. I was wondering if anyone would have any specs on how much the boat the weigh w/ motor, trolling motor, batteries, ect. I saw it's rated at 1300 by itself, but I know how the motor and accessories add to the weight. The woman would probably be pretty upset if I traded in my truck just for the purpose of pulling a boat. Thanks.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | you would have absolutely no problem pulling an X190 with a truck that tows 5000#. the boat, motors, trailer, and gear weigh in at about 2/3 of that capacity. |
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| You can pull the X-190 with that rig without a problem.
This is a major reason we designed the X-190, a no compromise muskie boat that is in a more reasonable price range, easier to tow, and less expensive overall to operate. |
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| That's great to hear guys thanks. I'm looking forward to getting the booklet in the mail about the boat. Someone mentioned to me that there isn't much of a casting deck in the back, but that there's an option to add a bigger rear deck, is that true? How long would the boat be on a trailer w/ a motor? It'd be a shame to not be able to fit it in my garage. Thanks again.
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| Nathan I think you could pull it but it will be definetly be straining. You will really be laboring the motor, trans, brakes. Gas Mileage will suffer greatly, the motor will be reving much higher than a v8, plus there will be more wear and tear on internals of the motor and the trans due to the added strain. My buddy owns a trans shop...he said you wouldn't believe how many transmissions come in from overheating because of overload....just because your vehicle says it can pull 5k don't mean it will for to long. We used to have a jeep cherokee with a 6 cy, towing a 16ft lund we would lose speed from 72 down to 60 going up hills. It seems we always had the pedal matted just to go up hills or to maintain speed. The 6 cylinders just don't have the torque to maintain speed on hilly terain. If you have any more ?'s just pm me I'll let you talk to my trans guy if youd like.
Edited by mskyhntr 2/20/2008 3:00 PM
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| THE BOAT WILL ONLY WEIGH 2/3 OF THE ADVERTISED towing capacity.
The X190 was built to meet the market considering smaller vehicles, smaller garages, and smaller pocket books because of fuel costs. Rigged with a 150 OptiMax, the rig would weigh in at about 2800#, batteries and all.
The back deck area is plenty to fish from, but if you want a really big rear deck and an elevated pedestal, get the Esox Deep V model with the removable rear deck module. Just a few minutes to install or remove, and it's a storage module featuring gull wing lids, not a back deck 'board'.
Brakes on the trailer are standard.
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| You won't have any issues towing with your vehicle. A new 4.6L F150 4X4 is rated for only 6,000 lbs. If your vehicle doesn't have a transmission oil cooler, I recommend you add one. They are cheap, and help keep your tranny running longer. I'm more concerned with stopping when towing with smaller, shorter wheelbase vehicles. You don't want the load influencing the tow vehicle. The X-190 trailer will have brakes standard, so that takes care of that issue.
The boat on the trailer, with 150 HP motor down, and swing tongue to the side, will be less than 22 feet. Only 1/2 foot more than the 1890 with the 200 HP. |
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| The gearheads will tell you you need a big diesel to tow a john boat. Don't get discouraged.
Not everyone, for one reason or another, is in a position to get the *perfect* ultimate tow vehicle, that is reality.
I towed a 19 foot boat walleye for over 7 years with a 6cyl Isuzu Trooper, no transmission cooler and much heavier than the boat you describe. I sold it 6 years ago at 230,000 miles for $3000. It still ran like a watch |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Looks to me I'm not the only one that thinks a truck with a V-6 and a towing capacity of 5000lbs will pull this X-190 just fine. |
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| You pull with what you want and I'll pull with what I want.....I'll drive around your 6cy, get better milage, have less wear and tear on my stuff, and still have some left in the bag if the emergency arises.
Edited by mskyhntr 2/20/2008 5:35 PM
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| His truck will pull it just fine, although yours may be better, but that wasn't the question now was it.
Hey, you - I know you - I know you |
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| guest read my 1st post! I said it will pull it....but yes it will labor for sure. can you read english? What really gets me is when people sit their and LIE....ex. It will pull it no problem, really cracks me up! the vehicle probably weighs 4k+ the boat would be near 3k, now add gas,people etc. OUT OF A 6CY? that cranks out 250hp maybe. Please pass the drugs cause I need some. Make sure you call my trans guy when she starts to slip. |
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Location: Davenport, IA | A 6 cylinder that cranks out 250 hp maybe? 10 years ago v8's did not do that. 10 Years ago a diesel did not make that much horsepower.
As for towing a 16 foot lund w/ a cherokee being tough? Did you pull a couple spark plugs? I tow a 17' glass boat with mine just fine. If its really hilly you will lose speed...in overdrive. If you take it out of overdrive, the problem is solved. The only problem I have is that the vehicle is light, so it doesn't stop really quick.
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| I've pulled a heavier boat with a similar rig. Obviously you haven't. Yes when you go uphill in altitude you will have to step on the gas. Engines and transmissions of this size do this kind of work every day. If you are worried about it get a transmission cooler. His world and truck wont crumble apart by pulling that boat with it. |
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| You guys tell me how losing speed pulling is PULLING NO PROBLEM??? I THINK SOMETHINGS WRONG HERE! your 6 cylinder doesn't have enough torque to pull the weight that's why you lose speed. Torque over time make horsepower! Ask any mechanic any transmission guys and tell him what you want to do and hear for yourself. You should'nt lose any speed pulling. If so you underpowered NO IF AND OR BUTTS ABOUT IT!!! Take it however you want. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Have you ever seen a semi climb hills in the mountains.....they go extremely slow. Even a V-8 will go slow in the mountains and hills. That's what overdrives for. What do you want him to tow the boat with, a 1988 Buick? |
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Location: The desert | I'm no towing or physics expert, but if you go up an incline and keep dont add any force, you will slow down. The force of gravity works in you 'dis-favor'. Now if he was pedal to the floor and losing speed, then perhaps it would be a problem.
We towed a 21' aluminum deck boat with a 175 on the back with a pontiac grand prix. After 350k+ miles we decide it was time to let it rest. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the trans cooler has been the best advice so far on this one eh? ...
pulling something and being able to maintain or accellerate under any conditions is called "safe" too. be aware is the best advice i think ... and understand that maybe it's the boat you want and that you might be able to make a vehicle adjustment in your future.
i'm on the other side of the spectrum with a big, heavy boat ... it determines what i drive and i'd like to have more options and therefore am considering another size boat so that my vehicle choice is not so limited.
tj's easy to argue with too though so that always makes these kinds of threads fun. as long as you've got a chevy pulling a tuffy with a merc on back you'll be good to go! |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | jonnysled - 2/20/2008 11:29 PM
tj's easy to argue with too though so that always makes these kinds of threads fun. as long as you've got a chevy pulling a tuffy with a merc on back you'll be good to go!
Well, I definitely got a good laugh out of that one Sled. I try to make these threads fun, because believe me, I'm having a blast with this one! As are about everyone else that has chimed in on this one. But what you said isn't entirely true so much anymore. Trucks, boats, and motors are all personal opinion, that's cool. I will talk Chevy and Merc till I'm blue in the face. I can remember liking those two things from a very young age, and I don't see it changing anytime soon! |
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| 2800# for a 19' glass high performance rig including a kicker and batteries is not 'big and heavy'. Most aluminums will weigh as much or more with he same engines. |
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| Back to the question-
I guess it depends somewhat on how far and over what terrain you are pulling. In all, I would have to side with Brad.
If I was heading to LOTW or Eagle for my summer trip from Chicago, I'd much rather have the power to make the trip then wind up along 502 with smoke coming from my hood.
Short runs lake hoping is one thing, loading up for a week with all of the anticipation for a week fishing, add in the idea of responsibility to get there for the other members on the trip and the need of a bigger engine cannot be denied. |
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| So you are saying a vehicle with a total towing capacity of 5000# will have trouble pulling 2/3 that weight? Why? Every truck out there with a V6 can only pull, what, 1000#? that's just not true.
This fellow didn't ask if he should buy the ultimate towing rig, he asked if a vehicle with a 5000 pound towing capacity would tow a boat that weighs 2/3 that amount. The obvious answer is YES. I can't find a thing out there that warns against towing 2/3 of any vehicles towing capacity, and the rig trailer is supposed to have disc brakes. So I picked up the phone and called a Chrysler Jeep dealer. Asked them the question back in service, and they laughed and said OF COURSE the truck will handle that load just fine. Then I called a Ford dealer, same thing. Top mechanic in town, same thing. All said to get a tranny cooler if towing long distances during the summer. |
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| I think Hoop see's my point, 10 -40 mile runs sure. I wouldn't want to pull long distances with the 6cy. Anyone who believes a dealership is a FOOL of course they want you to pull with that thing. shoot they also will tell you it can handle a 620vs also it under 5000lbs. See my point. Advertised towing ratings are way overestimated. But if that's what ya got use it till it quits. it really doesn't matter to anyone anyways does it? |
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| I'm not sure where the problem is here. I don't know a lot of people that go on lots of extended trips. I'm from Missouri, so the annual trip to LOTW is a haul. The rest of our trips are no more than 2.5 hours each way to Kinkaid. My dad and I took 4 trips in his Chevy Trailblazer V6 pulling an 18' aluminum boat. He had a Tahoe, but downgraded to the Trailblazer because he didn't need the size. Did the Tahoe pull better, absolutely, was the Trailblazer a dog, nope. By the way, we did get stranded in Iowa coming back from LOTW when the tranny quit on the Tahoe. That sucked. I've pulled the same boat with my Jeep Cherokee numerous times. Just because I can't scream up a steep hill doesn't mean the Jeep can't handle the boat. Another guy I fish with pulls his boat to LOTW with an Explorer SportTrac. He's never been stranded. I just don't think you need to buy a huge truck or suv if you don't truly need it. |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Nate
I think everyone is right here, in one way or another. One thing that makes a difference is what type of vehicle it is, is it Full Size or Small truck, the wheel base make a big difference in the hanling of the vehicle, if it is a colorado or suv with shorter wheel base I think you will not like it, you will notice your front end getting light.
Second yes it is rated for 5,000 but probably also rated at about 8,000 for total load that includes truck weight, plus your boat plus people, supplies in boat and supplies in the truck.
If you don't go make frequent long trips, I would say you would be fine, but would add the tranny cooler if the vehicle did not come with a tow package, and also check with your dealer because you will not want to pull your vehicle in OD.
If you are pulling long distances frequently I would look at upgrading to a fullsize vehicle with V-8, much easier on tranny, lot easier on the engine, to pull with the V-6 to get the torque and HP, you will be running at much higher RPM, thus putting more wear and tear on engine and tranny. Also with the fullsize vehicle you will be running bigger disc brake, thus improving your stopping ability, than on a smaller vehicle.
Shep isn't the Ford 4.6 there small block V-8, I had that in my 97 150, it pulled 18' Alumacraft fine, but you could tell it was back there and when she went up hills.
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| i used to have a 4.0l V6 Ford Ranger pulling a Ranger 681 boat. it handled the starting/going/stopping aspects of towing that boat pretty well, but at highway speeds (70mph) the RPMs were in the 3000 range. this didn't leave a lot of "punch" if i needed to speed up for some reason (traffic or going up hills), and it definitely meant burning up the gas. not a big deal hopping around on local trips, but the 8-hour runs to Minnesota cost noticeably more money.
even on those long runs, i never had any problems with the engine over-heating or struggling (it had a factory tow package with the transmission cooler), it was just running around 900-1000 rpms higher than normal. worked just fine, and never any issues at all. i only disengage my overdrive if the engine is shifting a lot or there's a hill approaching.
when i up-sized to a 5.4l V8 F150, pulling the same boat there was only about 100rpms difference between towing the boat and running empty at highway speeds, and gas mileage was essentially the same with or without the boat attached. the extra power and weight of the full-size truck was a very nice thing to have, but that's not to say the Ranger couldn't "handle" towing just fine as well.
the X-190's a slightly bigger boat than the one i describe, but you'll probably experience about the same thing: a V6 can handle that kind of load, it just will have to work a bit harder than a bigger engine.
you'll also want to be more aware of careful driving: longer stopping distance (even with trailer brakes) and a bit more "push" from behind when slowing or turning by the boat because it's weight is a greater percentage of your overall truck/boat weight.
enjoy your new boat, the X190 should be a great ride!
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| Troy,
Yes, the 4.6L is the smaller of Ford's V8's. I have the 5.4L in my F150, and pull the Tuffy 1890. I can tell it's back there. I slow down going up grades, and when heading in to a strong headwind, and such. Does that mean I gotta get a new, bigger, more powerful truck? I don't think so. Not gonna happen for at least two years, and another 50K miles. That'll make 250K+ on this one. On the original tranny, with no work done to it.
When I went to Moline last fall, I towed with my partners DuraMax. Now that is a pretty nice vehicle to tow with. Never knew the boat was back there the whole trip!
As for the difference in pulling loaded and empty, there's a big difference in RPM's if you pull with OD off loaded, and OD on empty. If you pull in OD, the RPM's should be the same. Lockup convertor will make this so. I pull the 1890 with OD off, and my 75 MPH RPM's are nearly 3000. I tend to drive closer to 65 when I am towing these days. Way better mileage when I go 65 vs 75!
Yes, the trans cooler probably is the best advice here. I agree wholeheartedly! hehehe
As for 250 HP out of the V6, all I have to say is my 97 5.4L V8 is rated at 270. But I guess that 20 HP is all that is needed to make it a viable tow vehicle.
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Location: Brainerd,MN | Nate,
I'm a trans tech at a Chysler, Dodge, Jeep dealership and here's my thoughts. First of all what model, brand of truck is it? There's many V6's out there and each have their "comfort zone" if you will. Some are truck engines and some are car engines in a truck. See what I mean. Depending on what V6 you have I would say you shouldn't have a problem. I have a '94 Dakota but with a V8 and I pull a '07 1890 with a 200 Opti and don't have much problem at all.
Here's my best advice for towing anything. Make sure you have an external tran cooler...heat IS the #1 killer of transmissions. If you have an overdrive on/off button turn it off. Will you lose gas mileage? Yep...the rpm's will be higher but the trans will be in the best gear ratio for towing. Engine wise just make sure it runs well....plugs are good, air filter clean, etc. Braking? The trailer has brakes so that helps greatly. I had a 17' aluminum boat with no trailer brakes and I was worried myself about brakes when I went to the Tuffy with tandem axles. With the tralier brakes I actually stop quicker now with about 800lbs of more boat.
Of course a big truck and engine is the best option but if you just just take my advice you'll be just fine.
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| Thanks for all the input guys. For more clarification I have an 06' GMC w/ the 4.3L in it. I live in central IL so I wouldn't be pulling in hills, but I'd be making a trip up to Canada once, maybe twice a year. Other than that I'd be sticking around the area. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | i pulled a 5500 lb crownline with a v6 dodge dakota single cab 2wd. you would not believe the looks we got from people with 3/4 ton diesel's to pull a 19-20 ft ranger. never had a problem. this boat was out on the lake every weekend when it was warm enough. if you know what you are doing, you won't have a problem. truck never had a transmission, any engine work, or any overheating problems. also where in central illinois, i fish shelbyville a lot and if interested, we could get together. |
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