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| Let me begin by saying that I hope that this doesn't get bumped in record time......
With that being said, and Slamr starting to tremble.....
I was watching Lindners Angling Edge today when a friend stopped by. It was good timing, since my wife and Taylor were gone doing something girly. We sat and watched and listened and when it came to the end of the program, my friend started looking for the remote. I told him to slow down, because there was another fishing program coming right up after The Edge.
He told me, "No, I just want to mute out the "sermon" that they give at the end of each program. I mean come on, what place does religion have to do with catching fish anyway?"
Well I'll come right out and say that I am a Christian. I don't get to church as much as I should, but I read The Bible and other Bible-Related or Christian backround books, and see nothing wrong with The Lindner's making their views on life, and their beleif in God public information. If they are not uncomfortable in doing it and the sponsors don't see anything wrong with it, I enjoy it.
I told him that with all that is going on in this world right now, I thought that it was anything but offensive to hear someone profess their faith in a no-nonsense way. Not that they go off like preachers and seek donations, they just like to leave a message for their viewers and I actually find it very refreshing. Sort of like when Hank Parker used to sign off with, "God bless ya, I'm Hank Parker."
So, be ye Jew or Gentile. Believer or non-believer. Do you find it offensive enough to mute the "sermon" or turn the station?
I personally find myself praying and giving thanks more in a boat or in the woods, when I find myself surrounded by God's wonderful gifts that He's left here for us to enjoy. As one of the random quotes goes....Better to be in a boat thinking about God than being in church thinking about fishing.
My apologies to any atheists or if any of our Jewish bretheren find a problem with this subject, I'm just wondering what your thoughts are and if you find a problem with the religious aspect of The Edge like my buddy does.
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Location: Sarell, MN | I'm with you, I enjoy it. I hope they don't change it. |
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Location: Iowa | I too am a christian man and told myself for lent I was going to read the bible (so far I am through Leviticus 9)...I find it somewhat refreshing as well that the linder's leave you with a piece of religion at the end of their show...it shows that they appreciate the gifts in which God has given us...each day is a gift given from God and it should be treated as though it is a gift...I give thanks daily for the glorious creations that God has given us and ask for foregiveness for the way we humans have taken it granted...I always live by the bible verse from the book of Phillipians...read below for the verse...god bless and treat everyday like it is a gift because we never know when our time is up...and I don't know about you but I long to bask in the kingdom of heaven someday...just not quite yet...
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | I may not watch the whole show because some segments don't interest me, but if I know the show is on, I won't miss the end. To me, that ending is one of THE best parts of their show. I hope they never give that aspect up.
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Location: Northern Illinois | I don't watch their show as much as I used to, mainly because they are constantly fishing for smallmouth. In addition, they shamelessly promote their products at all times. I don't care for their sermons at the end of the shows either. If I wanted to watch religious programs, I'd tune into the scam artist faith healers, whose deception and greed have been exposed in numerous documentaries. I don't want religion jammed down my throat under the guise of a fishing show. |
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| I don't have a problem with their message at the end of the show at all!
In fact they should all be that way! |
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Location: Verona, WI | Beav,
I think you hit on what makes this country great - it doesn't bother me that the Lindners want to promote their religious views on their shows and it doesn't bother me if someone doesn't want to hear someone's religious views.
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| I also like the endings, they seem genuine and aren't trying to sell one church or denomination. To hear Al tell it things really turned around for him and Ron after they "saw the light". As far as mentioning the products they use on the show I think all TV pros do that in one way or another. I think Lindner's program and The Musky Hunter are two of the best as far as giving information & tips. |
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| beav, well said. christian values built this country we are all so lucky to be a part of. thanks for sharing this post. don |
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Location: milwaukee | I also find it refreshing. Certainly *not* 'jammed down my throat', but done with class. And I am not a religious person by any stretch.
I envy those who have such conviction in their faith. Maybe one day I'll be so fortunate as to see the light. |
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| I'm with you Beav.
With my job, I rarely get to church. But still consider myself a Christian. Funny this should come up. I was watching one of their shows the other night and they had a passage from Isaiah. I had my wife write down the chapter and verse because I thought it was so good. I have not gotten around to memorizing it yet though. I also agree that I don't think they "jam it down your throat". I think it's presented in a very inoffensive way.
Did you tell your buddy if he reaches for the remote, he'll be light one arm??? Find it kind of funny that he would come into your house and think he ran the TV.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I'm a long time associate of the Lindners, and can tell you they have never 'rammed' anything down anyone's throat. They share their enthusiastic knowledge and expertise in all things fishing, and in many things life. Sponsors are what they are, and without them the show would not be on the air. Get used to it.
Everyone knows or at least should know that Al and Ron are religious folk. it's what they choose to do, and they don't try in any way to disguise it.
That's the beauty of using the remote, if you don't want to listen, change the channel. But don't for a SECOND think you will be able to belittle those folks here. Not until you are in a position to be able to say you have done 1/100000000000000 of what the Lindners have done for the sport of fishing; not to mention charities too numerous to mention.
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Location: Minneapolis | I don't like the religious ending, but I do support the Lindner's right to say what they like on their show. If I really didn't like the religious bit, I'm free to not watch their program.
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| I'm not a fan of the jesus stuff at the end, but if I know it's coming I can turn the channel. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | My apologies to any atheists or if any of our Jewish bretheren find a problem with this subject
Beaver-
Definately not necessary to apologize to anyone for your thoughful discussion- I totally agree with your opinion- I think its a great part of the show and glad the brothers got to do a show their way.
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| Would it bother you if they read a passage from the Koran? |
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Location: South Portsmouth, KY | Being a Christian myself, i really like the ending of their show. They are not "jamming anything down your throat". Their main goal for the ending is to try to get the person that is a non-believer to hear their message through a media that the same person likes or takes interest to watching. They are taking the advantage of being on a popular media outlet to spread the word that might not get to that person that doesn't go to church, doesnt believe, or the person who wouldn't hear the word anywhere else. To sum it up, they are trying to spread God's word to more and different types of people which is great! Hopefully this makes sense, Its hard to put it into words of what i am trying to say.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Now THAT is a great question. How about quoting a Choctaw prayer? |
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Location: The desert | Right on Beav. My roommate and I love the fact that some of the outdoor shows on the Outdoor Channel and VS. (old OLN). I get to church when I come home, which isnt often. But I make it a point to make fishing my church. I thank God for every fish that I land, and if I forget I make sure I thank Him a couple of extra times (it gets a tad chaotic when you are yanking dink gills through the ice as fast as you can get your hook down). It's an amazing place out there....if you havent taken a look around while fishing, try it. Think of how complex everything in nature has to work.....that happened by chance? |
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| I love it. I think its great. Props to them for trying to share the greatest gift one can give. |
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| I think it's GREAT! It's refreshing to hear and see people being who they are and not trying to be "normal fishing guys". To be a Christian person means you share the light of Christ with others. When I see the show it makes me feel good.
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| I stopped viewing the Linders when they started it. Not interested it....no place for it really in a fishing show, no matter how it is done. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I think that's exactly the point, the show is openly offered for exactly what it is. Some will like it and watch, some will not like the end but still watch, others will not watch.Isn't the USA a great place to live? |
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Location: Davenport, IA | I also agree that it is a great part of the show. Strange how the word Jesus offends people, but Budda or Muhammad doesn't. |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | I personally find the ending very refreshing. The beauty of TV - if you don't like what's on, change channels or turn it off, but don't mess with MY remote. |
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| If any of you have not read "First Light on the Water" by Al and Ron Linder, you should. It just may save your life.
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| True, they do have a great pulpit to reach thousands. You can watch the show, and miss the ending because you know that is when it is coming if you don't want to watch.
To quote 'Jesus Christ Superstar'....."Israel in 4BC had no mass communication."
I think for the Lindners to attain what they have and still make time to give thanks shows true appriciation and humility. I agree that they do so without ramming anything down anyone's throat. They certainly aren't television Evangelists.
Luke 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of me or my words, then I will be ashamed of him. |
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| The bottom line is that they're just trying to help other people. |
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| Beav,
I'm one who thinks that the Linder's are very dedicated to their believes whether it in their religion or fishing. I find it very refreshing. I think if more people took a stand and stayed there we would be much better off. I always liked the fact that Christ had fisherman for disciples. I've always had a strong faith but I'm not one for wearing it on my shirt sleeve. I think the show is an excellent example of a happy medium. I hope your season is a good one Beav.
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