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Location: Brookfield | I am having a problem with my glide baits. When they get with-in 20ft of the boat they tend to pop out of the water. I am running hellhounds, phantoms, dunrights, and mantas. I dont have a lot of problems with the manta but they do pop out occasionally. I am running with the rod tip down and have tried all different speeds, pauses and lenght of pull. The hellhound is giving me the most trouble.
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| I have a couple Dunnwright Dancers and a Hellhound. They will rise on the jerk/tap as well as move to the side. I can only guess that you need to incorporate pauses in your retrieve. This will allow the lure to sink back to the depth you want to run it. These baits will also wobble on the pause which could trigger a strike. I think you might be just working them too fast. Good Luck. |
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| Rod tip down may not be low enough, keep the tip right at the waters surface. It sounds like your line angle is increasing as the bait gets closer to the boat pulling the bait towards the surface. |
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| put a heavier hook on the belly/head hook hanger or add a small bell sinker there.
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| This may sound silly but work your gliders so that the lure action is imparted more from the crank of the reel handle instead of from the rod tip........ its hard to describe but here goes....keep your rod tip pointed down at the water....snap crank the reel handle and softly pump the rod at the same time....its a timeing and coordination thing but it works.....I fish my Reef Hawgs, Smuttly Dogs, Mantas and Magic Makers this way and it works great if you can get the hang of it....it is much less tireing and helps to keep the slack out of the line for the hook set....another thing you may need to do is count the lure down a bit after it hits the water.....I usually cast out and crank/pump a couple times to trigger strikes after the cast.....pause...countdown...then begin your retreive....good luck!...hope this helps....... |
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| I upsized the hooks one size on the hellhound and it kept it a bit lower in the water....try that |
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| SLOW DOWN!
Twitch, twitch, twitch, REST, Rest, rest, rest, BANG!!!!
Twitch, pause, Bang.
Not the lure but maybe the reelie!
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| Fartboy, funny name...
gliders don't have to be worked slow to get hit...some of the craziest action I've had was working a hellhound mach 1...
upsize the hooks and it adds just the right weight.... |
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Location: Rhinelander. | slow down is right and also as said work with just reel handle. Adding weight usually ruins the action.
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| Slow down is right, just tap tap tap for a slow sexy glide. All of the baits you mention work fine at a slow speed, just pause, retrieve, pause, retrieve  |
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| Go easier on the taps. Sounds like you're working em to hard. |
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| Hi,
Slow down way down. I've had the same problem as you and over the past two seasons. Patients is the key with gliders. I learned to fish glide baits using Cobbs countdown maybe the most painfully slow glider to use. If I can do it you can too.
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| muskyboy - 10/23/2006 11:38 PM
Slow down is right, just tap tap tap for a slow sexy glide. All of the baits you mention work fine at a slow speed, just pause, retrieve, pause, retrieve ;-) LOL!!!!! |
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Location: oswego, il | I am with Brad nelson and what the other guys are saying. Let the fish tell you what they want. Having that bait break the surface near the boat can trigger strikes. Mach1 on a glide bait can get the fish nuts. There are times too when they don't want them that wayand fishing them slower is the key. It also depends on what glide bait you are using. The X-glide and nitro from www.h2otackle.com I have never benn able to break the surface with them nor have I the deep phantom which you can get at some sport shows only. You can also put a big weight in a viper and not have a problem. Hoosire hand made musky baits also come in a deep model. |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Like bob said, make sure rod tip is close to the water when working glider agressively, every now and then raise the tip and get the glider to break surface. Also make sure you are not double working the bait, by this I mean not using the real handle and rod to create the action of the rod, either use the rod or reel handle.
Good luck
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Location: Racine, Wi | Don't listen to Brad, he doesn't throw gliders. |
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Location: Oregon | If the gliders are worked too fast they will come to the surface;
If you hold your rod tip up they will come to the surface; and
If the glider sinks really slow it will want to come to the surface.
Work the glider slowly or choose one that sinks more quickly.
jed v.
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| that is sorta true! I do throw them, once in a blue moon! one day it was the only thing they would look at on mille lacs..hellhounds going mach 1... but yah, for the most part gliders are about the last resort!
not sure why so many guys think gliders need to be worked slow to be effective! Ok well then don't try them fast...it doesn't work! lol
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Location: north central wisconsin | Sometimes a slightly longer pull can pull the lure down too. I am not one to slow down alot(even now) so I need other methods to maintain depth. Popping out of the water is something I look forward to quite often though, but if I don't want it to happen, a longer pull every now and then can get them to dive some. That said, I had a couple hellhounds that popped out all the time. My newer ones do not. I guess that is why I prefer Phantoms, Reef Hawgs and Nitros for the fact that I can control the depth a bit easier than having to slow down to do so with some of the lures you mentioned. |
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Location: The desert | I'm with Brad on this one. All I have thrown this fall is gliders. I work in heavy current areas too. Try to work a glider slow in the current! If you do all you will have is your bait floating down the river. I cant work my bait fast enough to keep it up with current. Yes long slow steady glides work, but dont count out the fast erratic crazy gliding that can be done working a bait fast.
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Location: Iowa | I'm with Fartboy here...my buddy told me the same thing about a year ago and I caught more fish this year than I had in the previous 4 years combined...SLOW DOWN!!!!...rod low...twitch, pause (1001, 1002); twitch, pause (1001, 1002); twitch, twitch, pause (1001, 1002) etc...trust me dude it works...you'll catch more fish with gliders...
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| Perc
in your case, it's not the technique....its your rod?  |
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| Hellhounds slow an easy can be flipped to wiggle so slow an nasty sideways on da drop they ost often get killed.
Real paint chipper moves.
FAST, well lots of lures can be run fast.
I thought the dude was asking about why it did this or that.
Can only mumble what I know from experience.
But even fast I do the rip, rip, rip, wait, wait, wait, WAIT.....RIP LIPS!!!!
Deeper running a good glider at an any speed really is good no doubt.
If you know fer sure what it is doing down thar then it can be absotivly gobbled up by something nasty.
Oh ya!
FB
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| Big Perc, How many did you catch in the previous 4 years combined? 2? Gliders work slow or fast, let the fish tell you what they like. |
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| Here's an additional thought. I've noticed some guys trying to work their gliders as these guys have said but the boat is moving too fast. It's tough to maintain control when you're turning to try to get the bait to keep up with the boat. So keep your boat control in mind too. |
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Location: Oregon | That's a very good point Pete.
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Location: Waukesha, WI | I fish with gliders a fair amount and have seen the nose come out quite often. It has to do with the weight and speed . But I have also noticed with my cobb if you were to reel straight in a couple cranks the bait would dive down. Either way you retrieve the bait will work wheather it's with the rod or reel, switch it up see which one works better for you. The problem I have is that when I slow down and get a good snap to one side my leader always seemed to get caught on the front hook. I fixed that with a rubber band though. A rubberband through the back hook hanger to the front hook so the front hook gets pulled back works perfectly so far. Plus when a fish is hooked the rubberbands can break to let the hooks swing freely. Most of my glide batis are about 7" so they only have 2 hooks.
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Location: Iowa | In previous years combined I had caught 5 muskies since the beginning of this addiction...this year I have caught 5 so far with a couple more excursions to go...I was just saying that a buddy of mine told me to slow down all together with everything I use and so far it has been the ticket when it comes to seeing and catching more fish...my topwaters slowly chug across the surface, crankbaits walk over the bottom, gliders dance the slow tantalizing side to side, chopbaits have the death rise going, and bucktails (well the hell with that slow stuff, for me a bucktail is meant for bulging in most situations), spinnerbaits slow roll the dpeths...need I go on...I have seen and hooked and lost more fish on gliders this year and I really believe it is because I have slowed down...and Yeti...I have a Thorne's Diamondback 8'0" Heavy action rod with a Diawa Luna on it for the regular sized stuff, and the Professional Edge 7'0" with a Abu Record on it for the 12"+ jerkbaits/suckers...
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| This is a great question. Lots of great thoughts on this so far and I want to add what I have seen from my experience. I do offer baits weighted that will stay down with an incredible sink rate. I have not recieved much of any feedback of positive musky reaction to these. Almost all of the reports and pictures I get are fish caught on the more neutral weighted versions. Do they come to the surface if worked hard and erratic, yes. I personally perfer that and have seen some awesome strikes when it does come up. I built a bait for a customer this year that I was not happy with, really squirrelly. It went left and right, up and down, shot off at times like a wild man. He wanted so bad he had me ship it anyway. Not a week after he got it I got a picture of his best fish so far this year a real nice 47 incher. So only Mr. Musky knows what is best.
A final thought, we stand a front the boat a good foot above the water. Cast these out and let them sink down below us. We pull them back UP to the boat and wonder why the comp up? I must agree that I pause all my gliders and mix up what I do with them. I even just reel them in at times between pulls.
Great stuff,
Don Slagle
Hoosier Handmade Musky Baits |
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