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| How do they miss?
We raised several fish yesterday
1 boiled on a topraider
1 on a globe
1 on a bucktail, that fish was doing about 90, chomped at the bait, and shot off in the other direction
1 on a bucktail that came straight out of the water with its mouth open
1 on a bucktail that just sort of rolled over the top of it, back and the tail came out of the water
The three fish that tried to eat the bucktail missed by a mile. We're not talking about nipping at the back, they just flat out missed.
How do they miss? I can see nipping at the back of the bait, or missing something with really erattic action, but a bucktail that's just swimming along?
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Location: Lockport, IL | I have had many fish go completely airborn and miss by a foot or more while fishing a giant jackpot. A few times they have gotten a hold of it on the second try. |
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Location: Belleville, WI | Isn't it funny how the bucketmouths never seem to miss?
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Jeff she didn't miss tonight. Dinner Bell fish caught right where you had that fish come out of the water trying to eat yours yesterday.
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Location: WI | Sweet Fish Troy!!!! Nice Fattie!
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| What makes you think they missed? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | muskies have eyes on the side of their head, yet eat while moving forward.
Sometimes they miss....
They can't really see that well directly in front of them. |
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| MikeHulbert - 10/9/2006 10:26 AM
muskies have eyes on the side of their head, yet eat while moving forward.
Sometimes they miss....
They can't really see that well directly in front of them.
Probably true to some degree, but my question remains unanswered, what makes him think they missed? |
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Location: The desert | I'll take the stand here and say that I dont think muskies miss. If they want a bait they will flat out inhale it. Fish are very teritorial and if something comes past their territory they might eat it, or just smack into it to let it know this is there area, now get lost. Muskies do not miss. When you describe one coming a foot out of the air on a jackpot it is the jackpot that is not heavy enough to stay in one place and is pushed up with the force of the fish.
I have seen fish follow through a figure eight and make a move on a bait that makes it look like they are trying to eat it yet no hooks get landed.....if you watch carefully sometimes they dont even have their mouth open, they are just pushing the bait or swinging at it to "scare it off".
Hulbert brings up the point about how a fish's eyes are on the side of the head and cant see very well straigh ahead of them. I tend to beleive that they can see better than we think, but they also use the vibrations in the water to help them with locations of a bait.
So overall in my opinion....Muskie dont miss, you miss.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I'll take the stand here and say that I dont think muskies miss.
*stand wherever you want, you can be wrong.
If they want a bait they will flat out inhale it.
*no offense, but you havent seen enough fish attack enough lures, at times, they do miss. I have seen a number of occassions of fish opening their mouths, attacking a lure, and just plain missing.
Fish are very teritorial and if something comes past their territory they might eat it, or just smack into it to let it know this is there area, now get lost.
*muskies are not territorial. there is no scientific evidence for this, and very often a number of muskies will inhabit the same area.
When you describe one coming a foot out of the air on a jackpot it is the jackpot that is not heavy enough to stay in one place and is pushed up with the force of the fish.
*huh?
No predator is 100% successful in its attempts to acquire prey. Neither are muskies. |
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Location: The desert | How do you know that you arent missing? I'm not saying that I am right. I could be completely wrong. But in my opinion they dont miss.
I guess i would have to ask firstsixfeet's question also...what makes you think that they are missing?
Edited by Pointerpride102 10/9/2006 3:29 PM
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Pointerpride102 - 10/9/2006 3:28 PM
How do you know that you arent missing? I'm not saying that I am right. I could be completely wrong. But in my opinion they dont miss.
If I have a bucktail running straight to the boat, and the fish opens its mouth, closes its mouth while appearing to attack a lure, and it never connects with any part of the bait, how is that ME missing? Thats like saying if someone shoots a ball at a hoop, and it doesnt go in, the hoop missed the ball. |
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | i think they do miss. we had one 50+ come up behind a bucktail with its mouth open, attempted to
eat it then swam to the surface with its motuh open. it looked like it was trying to eat and couldnt
find it. i have heard alot of opinions from very good fisherman so im not sure which is right. |
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| No doubt in my mind they can miss.
Fishing with Jason Smith at Sab Bay. Mid 40"er hit a Top Raider, and exploded into the air. Once back in the water, it came unpinned. Why? Because it hit in front of the lure, and clamped dowwn on the leader, which bent 90 degrees on the hook set.
three or 4 years ago on Pewaukee lake, a big fish rolled upside down, under a Suick, not 10 feet from the boat. Mouth was wide open, and it just went underneath the bait. Probably only missed it by an inch. That fish wanted to eat, not doubt. Netman caught it a couple days later! |
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| I am still waiting for my answer.
Not wanting to get into the collateral debate going on, I will offer this bit of info, I have watched a lot of fish appear and disappear behind or alongside a bait, and make a pass, and I am pretty sure they did not miss. |
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| I got to see " THE COOLEST FOLLOW EVER " on a weagle , the fish definitely missed the bait at least once . Same day we had another one come up mouth open .... and missed !!! I'm not getting into who's right or wrong , just saying what I've seen . Anybody ever go after kingfish ?? They run the baits ( live ) off a kite and keep the bait righr on the surface , Ive seen those king'd come 30 ft. out of the water and not come close to the bait , I'm talking miss by 3 feet !!! It is cool to see them 20 or 30 feet in the air though !!! |
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| Fish miss baits, plain and simple.
I have seen, oh, probably about 100 times in my life, a fish try to eat a glide bait, but totally miss the thing because the bait zigged while the fish zagged.
How do I know the fish missed the bait, because the mouth was wide open, it took a very very serious and hard attempt at the bait, but completely missed.
Like I said, I have only seen this like 100 times, so I might be wrong to....
I have also seen fish miss a bulldawg while I am ripping it, only to come back again and destroy it. Once again, mouth wide open, tries to eat it with a huge swipe, misses the bait, comes back again and nails it.
Fish miss baits, and they miss them alot. |
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| Sorry, the above post was mine, thought I was logged in.
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| I agree, except I've seen it like 1,000 times. But don't take it from ME, I'm just your average Joe.
Edited by esox50 10/9/2006 6:50 PM
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| Wow, one angler has viewed 100 misses on glide baits, another has seen ONE THOUSAND misses! 
Good stuff. Not wanting to get into the collateral debate and claim counterclaim going on, I can offer that I have viewed a few probable misses, particularly jerking baits and seems to be a problem with a few specific baits.
But then, the question still stands. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Define the term 'miss'. The fish doesn't get the lure in it's yap during what appears to be an attempt? Semantics, miss or not get the lure, not eat it but look like it tried, etc. What difference does that make really, no pin up...cast, reel, 8 and repeat.
I think the 'issue' here is the defintion or lack thereof, not the result.
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Location: The Yahara Chain | FSF, since EA is not reponding...what is up with that?...The Top Raider fish was mine and I would call that one a short hit. It displaced a bunch of water and just bumped the bait. It definately took a swipe at it. EA's one fish did come flying out of the water with it's mouth open...missing his bucktail. The other two bucktail fish, I didn't see and Jeff would be more qualified to tell you what happened. It sounded like both fish coiled on the bait and missed. EA you ou there?
I agree with what Mr. Hulbert and Mr. Golden have stated about muskies missing baits. It usually happens on jerk baits, like FSF is stating, but I have scene it happen on straight retrieve baits, also. |
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| fish miss plain and simple...i would agree sometimes they do bump baits not wanting to hit them...or blow up on topwaters with their mouths closed...not sure what that is about...but they do it..and they do miss...I've seen them miss, everything from bucktails, to big joes, bulldawgs, jerks, twitched cranks etc...
I don't buy the "if they want it they will get it"...sure they might try but they don't bat a thousand....
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I've had them hit a jig so far ahead the leader gets stuck in the edge of the mouth, and I actually land a fish that is not hooked. |
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| Depends on where you live... |
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Location: oswego, il | Steve Pallo a fisheries biologist here in illinois once told us the fingerlings miss the pellets when trying to eat them right in front of their face. He went on to say the ones that figure it out the best live on. |
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| EA's question is how do they miss a bucktail, just swimming along, not erraticly moving?
My question is how did he know those fish actually missed the bait?
I am not trying to join the do they miss debate, nor does it look like that really adresses EA's question, Mike Hulbert offered some opinion as to the physiology that might make them miss a bait, but it becomes difficult for me to reconcile this eyesight deficiency with the problem of eating a bait swimming in a straight line making perhaps 5 mph tops. It becomes difficult to envision the survival of a piscatorial predator(I used that combination strictly for Sponge) that would come up 0-3 on a straight retrieve bucktail.
So I think there are two yet unanswered questions, EA's, how do they miss an easy meal?, and mine which is how does he know they actually missed?
I will slightly get my feet wet here and venture that I do not equate all the activity I see around my baits as actually strikes at the bait. I have seen many activities that are violent, sudden, and thrilling, that I do NOT believe are actual attempts to eat the bait. Sometimes it becomes a real judgement call but sometimes it is very clear that it is not a strike.
So, reviewing EA's day, they had five different fish performing very noticeable activities near baits. He feels the 3 fish approaching the bucktails "missed", but he also denotes things around two surface baits that are sort of unclassified? There are some things that leap to my mind when reading his account, I have had some days where several fish show up and do activities around baits, missing? These days seem to be on water that gets fished a lot. I have also had days where every single fish grabs the bait in their mouth and that has happened up into the double figures more than once(not often enough). How does the "miss theory" deal with these types of days? Cosmic alignment? 0-5 one day, and 11-11 the next. Troubling statistics if they are actually "misses".
Another interesting question for EA and others, were these definitively separate fish, or is it possible they were the same fish being very active?
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| Location may be the key...southern 'skis are often buck toothed and have trouble holding onto a bait; many are somewhat cross-eyed, and may be seeing 2 baits; perhaps they aren't sure which "bait" to chase, thus becoming irritated and turning away...perhaps a territorial instinct...I think Mike may be onto something w/ the physio concept; if there was any way to see how far their eyes can rotate forward...next time you catch one, place a finger from the side and move it forward toward the front of the fish and determine the max eye placement...a fish optomitrist would come in handy 'bout now...perhaps they are like a gator; eyes close when they open their mouth, or like a shark...they don't miss often, unfortunately...good luck whatever you come up w/... |
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| I had a 50 1/2 incher MISS a bucktail. I seen the fish comming 50 feet away and miss the bait (mouth wide open) by a foot
She made a complete circle and broad sided the bait & ending up in a photo. So yes fish do miss baits & yes I have seen them
hitting baits with their mouths closed. |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | FSF.... he was in my boat and they were different fish...no doubt about that. Different sizes on different spots. |
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