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Location: Contrarian Island | We have gone over this topic but as sucker time approaches it has me thinking ...why does WI still allow single hook "kill rigs" to be legal, but yet the guy using a quick strike, vertically below the boat, while he is casting and positioning around structure is breaking the law? with the outing you are having...any thoughts to how many guys are going to be truely within the "law"...I have heard there is a certain warden in that area that gets his kicks from writing tickets for "trolling suckers".
but I also have heard on another board that not one ticket that was written in Iron Co. for "trolling suckers" was upheld in court...
Just seems sort of wrong that a guy can use a single hook rig on a fish under the size limit for the lake, kill the fish as we all know they do, but yet he is within the law?
I know other states have a ban on those rigs don't they? Is this something we should be bringing forward at the conservation congress hearings?
thought/opinions?
Edited by MSKY HNR 9/27/2006 2:01 PM
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| MN doesnt outlaw single hook rigs. With the treble rule, they actually make it easier for the unexperienced to use a single hook rig than a quickstrike. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Brad, that is a good question, and one alot of us have been wondering the answer to. One thing I am guilty of, is not actually contacting the dnr or lawmakers about this issue. While I know the dnr is aware of the mortality associated with single hook usage, I think someone needs to take a stand from the ranks of the fishing public. I would like to know if a resolution can be brought to the spring hearings, and taken through the C.C. as we have some of the size limit increases. If so, maybe this is something that a group of us can make happen..?.. I'll get on the horn with our local fish manager. Anyone have any ideas, suggestions?
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | Illinois has the quick strike law actually.. Basically you can ONLY use quick strike rigs... |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | The wording could be a difficult proposition. Other species anglers will still want single hook choices, and then we can get into a pi$$ing match as to what the target species is, similar to early, split season problems. I think angler education is the way to go. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | I believe that the MN DNR recognizes a quickstrike rig as it's own entity now and is not illegal. Double check your reg book, but George Selcke mentioned that the DNR was on-board with the idea.
BTW, I don't want to get into the pro's and con's of suckers so please don't light that fire under me. |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | An anti-quick set rig resolution was passed in Sawyer county(four or five years ago). It apparently was buried by the WDNR and never made to a statewide vote. I have been trying to get an answer from the WDNR regarding this issue. I want to find out if they didn't like the way it was worded or what the deal is. I heard that they didn't want to inforce it and that is why it got buried. I am trying to verify that. It seems to me that they should be for such a law as they have done their own study which showed that the single hook is a kill rig. The CC process is a mess IMO. The WDNR has their hands tied by it, but it is a lot more political than people are led to believe as important issues such as this get buried and the people don't even get to vote on it. |
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| Muskie Treats - 9/27/2006 2:29 PM
I believe that the MN DNR recognizes a quickstrike rig as it's own entity now and is not illegal. Double check your reg book, but George Selcke mentioned that the DNR was on-board with the idea.
BTW, I don't want to get into the pro's and con's of suckers so please don't light that fire under me.
I'm looking in the regs and I cant find anything like that Shawn. Just the old rule stating that a treble is 3 hooks unless part of an artificial. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | this is the Illinois wording on the ban of the rigs...the wording is pretty simple and straightforward to me..why would this be too hard to enforce ? The wardens know exactly what single hook rigs for muskies are and look like and nobody should be able to blow smoke up their *ss...
"When using live bait, all live bait in excess of 8 inches in total length shall be rigged with a quick set rig. The hook shall be immediately set upon the strike. A quick set rig is defined as follows: live bait rig, with up to 2 treble hooks attached anywhere on the live bait, single hooks prohibited. This rule does not apply to trotlines, jug lines etc if allowed on the lake."
Why is WI always behind other states and Canada on issues like this? |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | How do you word the rule to include circle hooks, or are you against circle hooks also? |
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| I'm looking in the regs and I cant find anything like that Shawn. Just the old rule stating that a treble is 3 hooks unless part of an artificial.
whoa!
are you saying that if i'm fishing a sucker in MN with a quick-strike rig, it counts as 3 hooks per treble??? (6 if the sucker's rigged with 2 trebles)
and therefore it's ILLEGAL because of the one line/angler limitation???
i guess i was breaking the law a lot last week... |
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| You were breaking the law last week then. Most people add a spinner blade to the quick strike rig to make it an artifical, that is what was done in the past unless they changed the law this year....Ben |
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| Lambeau
Shame on you!! Yeah the wording on MN rule is poor. Is all they would have to is change the wording. Lambeau if you really want to have some fun in MN, put a 14-20" pike on that quickstrike! |
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| aha! i had spinner blades on the rigs.
gosh, for a second there i almost felt bad. or maybe not.
re: pike...i thought in MN you weren't allowed to use any gamefish as bait? |
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| lambeau - 9/27/2006 3:33 PM
I'm looking in the regs and I cant find anything like that Shawn. Just the old rule stating that a treble is 3 hooks unless part of an artificial.
whoa!
are you saying that if i'm fishing a sucker in MN with a quick-strike rig, it counts as 3 hooks per treble??? (6 if the sucker's rigged with 2 trebles )
and therefore it's ILLEGAL because of the one line/angler limitation???
i guess i was breaking the law a lot last week...
yes, Mike that is the rule. A treble hook is 3 hooks unless part of an artificial lure. Adding a spinner blade to your quickstrike makes it legal. The blade has to be within 3 inches of the bait, I believe.
If what Treats says is true, they have changed that and a regular quick strike is legal. But I cant find anything stating that in the 2006 regs. |
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| lambeau - 9/27/2006 3:42 PM
re: pike...i thought in MN you weren't allowed to use any gamefish as bait?
yes, that is totally illegal in MN |
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| I see somebody mentions that a quickstrike rig without spinners may be legal in MN then goes with some language that makes us assume he has a problem with people who fish with suckers. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think he wants people in MN to use quick set rigs then get busted using them.
Please humor us with how live bait fishing is beneath you? |
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| It's not live bait if you put a spinner on it -- it then becomes an artificial lure according to MN DNR...
And as to the previous question about circle hooks, the wording specifically says that single hooks are not allowed -- a circle hook is a single hook, is it not?
Of course the IL rule still doesn't solve the problem of using single hook rigs or circle hooks with small suckers. |
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| it doesn't solve the problem of using small suckers but it goes a heck of a lot farther than what we have now...most suckers are more than 8" ..at least in the bait stores I've seen..sure there might be guys who want to get around the law and use 7" suckers with a single hook...you are always going to have those guys no matter what...but most of the meat hunters I see are grabbing the 15" suckers to drag around all day with their single hook...this would at least solve THAT problem.
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| Brad, I would think that with the amount of anglers flocking to MN over WI and the up and coming fisheries in IL and IN that the WI DNR would be all about doing anything and everything to help improve musky fishing in WI.
Could it be that people just haven't made enough noise to the DNR about single hook sucker rigs?
We all need to show our support at the hearings on this and many other matters, that's for sure. Doing nothing gets nothing done. Not to say doing something always gets the desired results, but we know what will happen if we don't speak up. |
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| When will Wisconsin outlaw single hook sucker rigs?
Never. Too many winter anglers that use those exact same 'single hook' type rigs for using dead bait (smelt mainly) for giant Pike through the ice.
Education is usually a better solution than legislation. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | I use smelt in the winter, with one treble hook through the back. Not many of the smelt are ever over 8" though, and I'd make sure they were under that size. I never thought of that angle though. I hate using multiple hooks on my smelt rigs, as a single treble has been best for the fish bar none(with the double single hook or double treble hook quick sets being worst). |
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| wouldn't it be very simple to just write the law to be up until the musky season closed??? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Brad, have someone write up a rule (maybe like the one IL has) and introduce it at the Conservation Congress hearings in April 2007.
Only do a couple of counties that you know it will pass overwelmingly and the NRB will have to take up the issue. You know the DNR will be for it and maybe by 4/2008 it will be on a statewide ballot, on a fast track to outlaw them. |
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| So in Illinois you have to use a quick strike rig if you have a night crawler longer than 8"?
Why do people find it neccessary to limit what other people fish with? I know I am saying something most of you don't want to here but what if the guy wants to keep the musky? It's his right and if he is doing it with a single hook who cares?
I don't use single hooks but don't think that people should not be allowed to.
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Location: MPLS, MN | Doesn't Tony Rizzo still promote single hook rigs? I know he does in his book 'secrets of a muskie guide 2' |
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| Reelman, single hook swallow rigs have been shown in studies to KILL every musky they are used on. How can you justify using them? Say a lake has a 40" size limit and a guy uses one and catches a 35" musky, cuts the line or leader at the mouth but the hook is down in the gut/stomach...that fish is DEAD. He should be given a ticket for killing that fish in my book.
anyone who thinks it's ok to use single hook sucker rigs is living in the dark ages of C&R.
It is fine by me if someone wants to legally keep a musky over the legal size limit but it does not sit well w/ me that someone can release muskies they have caught on single hook rigs which as we all know (or most of us) kill the fish ....
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Location: The Yahara Chain | muskie! nut - 9/27/2006 8:19 PM
Brad, have someone write up a rule (maybe like the one IL has) and introduce it at the Conservation Congress hearings in April 2007.
Only do a couple of counties that you know it will pass overwelmingly and the NRB will have to take up the issue. You know the DNR will be for it and maybe by 4/2008 it will be on a statewide ballot, on a fast track to outlaw them.
Gerard it has already been written up and it passed witha vote of sixtyfour in favor to two opposed in Sawyer county. It is my understanding that it should have went to a statewide vote the following year and it never did. It didn't get passed by the commitee that approves stuff for the state election. I am trying to find out from the WDNR or the CC people why this didn't go to a vote. I will let you know if I get an answer. I don't see why anybody would oppose this and yes it would mean circle hooks would be illegal. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Obfuscate Musky "Doesn't Tony Rizzo still promote single hook rigs? I know he does in his book 'secrets of a muskie guide 2'"
I know that as late as two years ago, Tony had his name on packages of single hook rigs by South Bend. I emailed the company to voice my concerns about selling those kig rigs.
I'm not sure if Tony promotes them or because he is under contract with South Bend, they can use his name anyway they see fit?
Edited by muskie! nut 9/27/2006 9:00 PM
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| More intesting reading on this topic. From last winter.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=24...
Nail A Pig!
Mike |
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