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| Is anybady else joining the anti-snap club this year with me. I have decided to go straight to the split cause you are only as strong as your weakest link. I figure that I am giving up about 5 - 10 casts an outing. Just the confidence factor alone is worth the switch.
MUSKY ILLINI
This cream corn tastes like cream crap! |
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| I agree and you wont really lose any time at all. Chad Cain is the one who turned me on to the split rings for good. Before that i was edging towards it but kind of half and half. |
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| Yes I am !!! After having one break on me last fall, I'm still bummed about it. This topic was going on a few weeks ago too and Jlong has had problems with the leader working out of the ring. I still will use the rings with no snaps, but keep a close eye on my leader/ring connection to be sure it isn't winding its way out when using twitch baits. |
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| MI, I’m pretty sure the monster that bit thru my snap last weekend would have bit thru a split ring just as easy. [:sun:] |
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| I'm getting close to going snap-less. Lost twobaits do to snap failure. Still looking for a good snap! [:(] |
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| Hey Guys,
If you are worried about the leader working its way out of the split ring, then use the wolverine triple rings. I have been using this system for about the last three years, and have never had a failure. I have a triple ring on the front of every one of my lures, and make my leaders with just a loop at the end so I can quickly pop it into the rings when I want to attach the bait. It is a fail-proof system!!
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| Hello all,
I've been snapless for two years now and there is nothing in the world that will ever make me go back. I carry 5 rods, rigged and ready to go at all times and very rarely do I need to change lures on a rod. I sent them up for the water being fished in advance and away I go. I love this system. |
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| Hello all,
I've been snapless for two years now and there is nothing in the world that will ever make me go back. I carry 5 rods, rigged and ready to go at all times and very rarely do I need to change lures on a rod. I sent them up for the water being fished in advance and away I go. I love this system.
Big ones to all in 2002. Pat |
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| nxtwrldrcd,
I would doubt that there is a musky on this earth that can bite through a wolverine3ring. If there is, then god bless her. How big was she?
MUSKY ILLINI
"strata-who-veous"
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| I don't understand how so many have given up on snaps and would rather use split rings for so called safer conections. I have boated over 400 muskies in 8 years and have not had any snap failures yet, yes I have reeled my lure in to see an open snap once or twice and I have had them break as I open them to change lures but thats is my fault for not changing them in time. Instead of investing in 5 rods why not just change your snaps every 3 days or so? maybe even every day?
I can say that I use very large cross lock snaps like 6/0 for the fall and 5/0 for the jerkbait leaders. [:sun:]
I just know there is no way I am going to put up with a split ring everytime I change a lure there is already to many times I have to replace cut hooks. [:(] |
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| I tried using just splitrings for a while last year,had a few baits come off when jerkbait slammin.Then when the real cold weather came in late November,I had a hard time dealing with splitrings with numb fingers and went back to snaps again.I have never had a Stringease Stay-Lok Snap open or break,ever!! Capt. Larry |
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| Hey, if you guys are going to get this club together before the season starts I suggest you "snap" to it![;)] You have to get the right snap. The new one on the terminator leaders is a good one which has a prevention to completely opening up. Coastlock snaps from www.staminainc.com are great and will not break after repeated use and changing baits. |
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| Sorry guys, there isn't a snap out there that I would trust as much as just using Wolverine Triple Rings. Just put one on every one of your lures, and it takes no more time than opening and closing a snap as it does to slide in your leader into the ring. Don't use regular rings though, because the wire can work its way back out, but not on a triple ring! |
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| Even STRINGEASE SNAPS break and come open!! I lost one very nice fish and one expensive lure last year due to the Stringease failing. These are the best snaps out there and if those will fail I'm swithing to split rings this year. Buy a good split ring pliers and be done with it. I get mad enough at myself for losing a fish let alone having terminal tackle fail on me. |
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| I too had some of the stringease snaps break. Problem with split rings is finding GOOD split ring pliers. Had a pair that "grew legs", and haven't been able to find a good pair since! Help...
Muskie regards,
Larry Ramsell |
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| Well I must have one of the good pairs then. Had them for so long don't even know how old they are. |
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| never heard of Wolverine triple rings working open at all. They are actually pretty easy to put a lure on even without split rings yet wont cause a lure to work into the ring. |
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| I got tired of burning through commercial leaders because of kinks and abuse after a days fishing. Plus they aren't giving the leaders away at the stores, so I make my own leaders by twisting up some on my bucktail wire former and adding a split ring. What's great is that I can experiment with different wire diameters to see what works well with the particular baits, and the price is right. I don't have a problem tossing out a kinked leader right away nor worrying about running out. Another plus is that you can also create the ideal leader length for your fishing application. I find that most commercial leaders have too long of a wire lead.
Everything is split ringed, and I don't have to worry about the snap being sprung open. I did lose a bait once because the thin wire that I was using slipped between the split ring creases and worked it's way out. That was more my fault since the split ring that I was using(Buecher) was becoming loosened by my constant changing of baits. So I may have to try out the Wolverine split rings.
One question for you Wolverine advocates. Do you find it hard to split ring some of the baits due to the thicker rings and the small line connectors on baits? Granted the triple split rings are much thicker than a typical double split ring.
catch ya later,
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| Hey Krappie,
First off, dont put the split rings on your leaders. Make your leaders with just a loop on the end, and have a wolverine on every one of your lures. That way you don't have to use split ring pliers to change your baits. Just pop the loop at the end of your leader into the ring, and spin it a couple times. Using split ring pliers every time will make a big gap in the split rings after you do it a bunch of times. The Wolverine rings come in a variety of sizes, and the 5's fit on the smaller baits, such as Cranes or 6" Jakes and Ernies.
Chad |
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| I'm sure someone has already posted this somewhere, but could someone provide a site to purchase Wolverine's online, thank you. |
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| Greg,
I got them at the store![:bigsmile:] [:bigsmile:] I have all the sizes, plus their sucker rigs.[:bigsmile:] [:bigsmile:] I see some more rods in your future also!! (Swami Rob is looking into your future)
Rob
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| I'm going to Minocqua tonite for the last shot at a slobber walleye through the ice. Would put me going through Park Falls at about 7:00, you still open then? If memery is correct, you are not, which isn't a problem, will be coming through again I'm sure before I need them.
What do you got for rods?? drueling, drueling[:p] [:p]
Thx Rob. |
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| I believe guys converting to rings is a personal confidence thing, and not based on experience and common sense. I use Wolverine splitrings on most of my lures for hanging hooks... and the bucher rings on baits with smaller loops. For many years I was in the same boat as Chad Cain and fitted ALL of my lures with splitrings thinking it gave them better action.... but even with GIANT coastlock snaps (large diameter wire) I was having lures disconnect. Sure, maybe its my radical twitching style of fishing.... but if all you do is troll or straight retrieve bucktails and topwaters.... I feel using split rings to connect yourself to the lure is a waste of time.
As for Wolverines being "fool proof", that is pure blasphemy!!! The triple ring design is awesome, I'll admit that, but they just require one more cast to work their way off the lure in comparison to a standard ring. Plus, they do not have as much tension between the wraps, which makes changing lures easier..... but it also makes it easier for your leader to work its way into the ring.
In my opinion, with jerkbait applications where you are slack snapping and using other more violent types of retrieves... the SNAP is the most fail-safe connection. I think it is MORE difficult to get a snap to open than it is to get a wire leader threaded onto a split ring. Since I discovered the stringease snaps... I have not had a problem yet. For the lures where I still had rings in the line-tie... the SNAP would even work its way through the ring. Now I go direct with a snap to the line-tie. There is no way to get separated unless the snap opens.... which is very unlikely unless you are using a worn-out snap that should have been replaced weeks ago. Also, considering the Stringease snaps do NOT require you to re-tie the leader... replacing them is a snap (no put intended).
I now use the smallest stringease snap they make on most of my leaders. The advantage of LIGHT leader is priceless. Yes, they are small and get bent out of shape on occasion... but they won't open up unless you really neglect to change them to the point of causing a stress failure.
Perhaps this is topic that needs to be researched further. Anyone willing to conduct an experiment? If so, post the results on the Research board.
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| Well, as usual the store is stuffed full of rods. Not too much different than what you have seen so far, but if time allows me, I've got my Voodoo Tails shipment to check in as well as LandOLakes that I'll pick up this weekend. Hellraiser will be next and I got a bunch of Fudally and Figure 8 goodies on the way also! This is just a start to wet everyone's appetite.
Greg, I'm headed towards Madison after 6pm. So, drive safe but drive fast!
Rob
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| I asked Steve Heiting what his preference was at last nights CIMH meeting. His reply was "yes and no". From what I understood he used them on jerks and large cranks for sure. What was less obvious was his choice for spinners.
It seems to me that split rings woulnd't be necessary on in-line spinners. Also I tried split rings on safety pin style spinners and they fouled quite often.
What's the verdict on both kinds of spinners?
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| any time you're using a safety pin style spinner it is going to foul a lot no matter if you're using a split ring or snap. Saftey pin spinners were made mostly for bass guys who tie their line directly to the spinner.
I'm talking about the spinner bait which is open sided where you tie the line. |
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| Hey Jason,
I have fished nearly 1000 days using this system with the triple rings, and not once has my leader spun out of the ring. I have not tried those snaps that you are using, but after the nightmares I have had with Cross-lock and Coast-lock snaps, I definitely am sold on the triple rings and a little scared of snaps. The rings don't get wide gapped when you only use split-ring pliers on them once, and that is to put them on the baits. The single strand wire on the leader does not cause the ring to get wide gapped when changing baits.
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| Chad,
I don't disagree with you that the "splitring system" works. I just don't want people to think it is 100% foolproof. It is not... especially if you REALLY work your lures.
Most of the leaders I tie do not have a loop large enough for the Wolverines... so I primarily just use them for hanging hooks. But, when I put on a new Joe Bucher splitring, attach it to a Slammer Deep diver, and it only takes 10 minutes of open water ripping for it to disconnect... that tells me that splitrings have a weakness. That weakness is a lure that cuts the water and turns to the side... with some decent tension on the line. Basically that is the same motion you use to put ON (and take off) a splitring. Did I stop tossin' those slammers? No! I just went back to using SNAPS and I have not had a lure disconnect on me yet. In fact, I have now taken OFF all the splitrings that I had put on the line-tie of each lure and connect directly to a LIGHT snap.
Neither system is 100% foolproof. I'm not trying to stop people from doing the splitring thing.... just offering a word of caution.[:halo:] |
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| Just another thought.
I've had my problems with crosslock and coastlock snaps over the years... and can think of some truly huge fish that I lost as a result too. That is why I tried the splitring thing myself... and understand why so many have converted.
The stringease design has given me the confidence to use a very light wire snap. I feel the light wire is less prone to fatigue and stress from opening and closing since it is more flexible. The heavier the snap, the more rigid the material... so every time you open and close the snap.. you stress the bend. A light wire, however, simply rebounds without weakening. Now, the HEAVIEST snaps I use are the #4 stringease rated for 200#... but the majority of my snaps are the #2's only rated to 100#. Most guys think I'm nuts... but I am learning there are benefits to a very LIGHT leader.
I know I sound like a stringease commercial, but I have no affiliation with them what so ever. They just happen to make a product that I've had good success with. |
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| Jlong,
I don't work for Stringease either but that is the only snap that I will use! Capt. Larry |
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