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Location: Rhinelander. | With all the doubts about Spays fish I think this should be asked again. If you release a fish that you say is a new record (line class or world) there will always be many doubting thomases. So now you have a possable new world record in your net. Keep it or release it???? You know if you release it there will always be questions about it. I would not open myself up to that can of worms. For me its a kept fish without a doubt. So you know I've kept only several in my life and those would not have made it if released. I sure would not think ill of anyone for keeping a fish like that.
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Location: lansing, il | line class record, release.............. state record(not wisc of course that would be a w.r.), release............. definite w.r. i used to say id thump it in a heart beat, but nw im not so sure. im probablly 50/50 on a w.r. |
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| I'd thump the WR in an instant. I think I'm entitled to take the life of one fish in my lifetime. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If I was convinced it's a World Record, they would hear the thump in Atlanta. Kidding, have to keep the fish alive for the DNR/MNR, but the point is the same. |
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| Worrall,
I'm with you...
BUT, let me pose another question....
What if you could keep it alive, the DNR/MNR verified it's weight & length, and you could return it unhurt? There is a local place right in Vermilion Bay that has a certified scale, near Eagle. I have contemplated bringing her into to town in my livewell, weighing her, and seeing if i could return her unharmed....thoughts??
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | i'd put it back for sure |
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| As long as I have a camera in the boat, I don't care how big it is, it's going back.
I don't need the BS or the scrutiny or any of the other crap that goes along with any big fish caught.
"Did you pinch the tail?".........Yeah, with Visegrips.
"Where did you girth it?".......Around my waist.
Guys take crap for pictures of small fish. I don't care how big it is, it deserves to live if it is in good condition.
I don't have the money or the room or the want for a mount or a replica.
I watched one guy in a tourney in Phelps walk in to a snowfence pen to grab the 52"er that he caught to win the tourney. He wanted some pictures of the fish, him and his partner and then was going to let her go. She was healthy as hell.
The two of them walked in with hip boots on, held up the fish, and then the guy who didn't catch the fish, grabbed a rock and beat her on the head. He told his partner...."That's a $5,000 fish. If you're not going to mount it, I am." That was the lowest thing that I ever saw.
It is my intention to never keep another muskie for the rest of my life, no matter how big.
Now that I have a digital video recorder, it and my other camera will be set on auto and I'll take a $hitload of pictures.
That will be enough for me.
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| release it .i heard this saying along time ago.god dont make em big enough to keep ! what for anyways ?unless the fish is going to die from the catch why harvest the fish? let em go. so next you see him or her again 2or 3 inchs longer . |
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| The stress a big fish like that would go through during the process, isn't worth the risk of letting it go to die!
THUMP! |
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Location: Rhinelander. | Beaver are you kidding about the guy thumping it with a rock, Holy crap!!!!!! I can't believe he'd do that to a fish he did not catch. I know what (who) would have gotten the next thump.
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| I am 99.99 percent catch-and-release.
The other .01 goes toward thumping the WR... yeah, like that will ever happen anyway. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I have caught may potential world record fish already in my life........they may have been 30-40 pounds premature, but they were all potential world records.
I keep a 6' tape in the boat. I would do a number of girth measurements besides the length and take a million and five pictures, including showing the tape. Beyond that, it would be released within minutes.
The DNR donation idea is great conceptionally, but the likelihood of being able to make contact with the appropriate parties in position to take posession in a quick enough timeframe is not likely.
I hope, God willing, to have this issue to deal with in my lifetime.
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Location: Richland Center, WI. | I would throw it back because I would not want someone trying to have it thrown out 55 years after the fact. I am not against keeping a musky even though I CPR all muskies I catch. It just would not be worth the hassle to keep a possible record fish. |
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| I figure I've released about 16-17 WR's so far myself, at least using the "Louie standard". Honestly, if I caught a real 70 pound WR I would release it for sure. And then if I was lucky enough I'd even release a second WR. But if the musky gods granted yet a third WR to me, I guess I would have to keep it   |
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Location: NEW LENOX | I guess it all comes down to why you fish!!!!! Are you fishing because you enjoy it, or do you want to be famous ( infamous)???? Me I enjoy it, and wouldn't tell any one and bring back my kids and grandkids to enjoy the experience. |
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Location: Rhinelander. | Really surprised at how many said you'd release it. When I'm done putting together the figures on what it could be worth I wonder how many of you will change your mind. Greed changes us all in one way or another.
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| 70 pounds verified, thump, thump, thump
State record, maybe thump but probably just verified and released |
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Location: Madison, WI | Thump! Everything thing else goes back into the water. But this would be a fish of a 10 lifetimes... World record fish she'd be coming home with me... |
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Location: North Central Iowa | I would like to think I would release it. I fish because I enjoy it, not to get fame and fortune. A picture and a little video would be enough for me. |
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| If I was good enough and lucky enough to catch it, and I was confident it was the new world record, it gets thumped. Every other fish gets released. I think that is a fair trade off.
As for an attempt to get a new record overturned? Not likely in this day and age. There would be such a close scrutiny of that fish, and the process under which it gets weighed, and verified, I think there will be no doubt about it's validity. Besides, 55 years from now, I won't care if someone questions it!
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| Release. And I would not tell anyone either. I'm with Beav, too much of a hassel. I don't care how much it's worth. I don't want the lake I fish overrun with people. Don't know if there is a WR in there and don't care. Life is too crazy these days, I just want to keep my lake quiet.
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Location: Des Plaines, IL | Don Pfeiffer - 6/18/2006 9:18 PM
Really surprised at how many said you'd release it. When I'm done putting together the figures on what it could be worth I wonder how many of you will change your mind. Greed changes us all in one way or another.
Pfeiff I agree, Greed changes everything. So for me I will not revisit this post because I don't want to know what it could be worth. I would release it, let it spread by word of mouth, and let it always be questioned. Some times a little mystery is good. |
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| Donnie3737 - 6/17/2006 8:56 AM
What if you could keep it alive, the DNR/MNR verified it's weight & length, and you could return it unhurt?
Donnie
That'll never happen. The DNR will want to (or they at least should...to cover their own butts and to make sure the scrutiny is deminished as much as humanly possible) x-ray the fish and/or open it up to make sure that it's not been filled full of any foreign objects or substance to help add additional weight to the fish. Heck...the DNR would probably want to do that even for a state record fish, let alone the potential world record fish.
It's all or nothing. You have to decide if you'd keep it to have it verified for a record or you just release it immediately to let it swim on. You can't have your cake and eat it too with this sort of subject. |
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| Beaver - 6/17/2006 9:49 AM
then the guy who didn't catch the fish, grabbed a rock and beat her on the head. He told his partner...."That's a $5,000 fish. If you're not going to mount it, I am." That was the lowest thing that I ever saw.
Now...that guy wasn't too smart to do that. If you were going to keep a fish for a skin mount....why would you bash it on the head with a rock, potentially damaging the skull, for sure damaging any/all scales and the skin on the fishes head...making for a nice, nasty looking wound to have incorporated with your skin mount. Geeeeesh. |
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| Don Pfeiffer - 6/18/2006 9:18 PM
Really surprised at how many said you'd release it. When I'm done putting together the figures on what it could be worth I wonder how many of you will change your mind. Greed changes us all in one way or another.
Pfeiff
You know what? Maybe those figures on what it could be worth...should be left untold and unposted.
You're right...greed does change things and it does change people and their decisions. If those numbers are tabulated, released and published publicly....then you'll have every Tom, Dick & Harry out there keeping that many more fish in "hopes" that it's the new world record...only to find out they've fallen short by 10 lbs or more...or have done something illegal to obtain a fish of world record weight, ie, payloading the fish with additional weight by the way of foriegn objects or keeping a fish out of season, etc, etc.
Somethings in life are best left untold...or at least left to the imagination.
I'm thinking, this is my opinion, that posting potential payout numbers of a World Record catch would not be a positive thing to the industry or the fisheries. Not only that...but then publishing those numbers with companies names attached to it, would put those companies in a tough spot to have to live up to the expectations if/when it should actually happen. They may say today, that they'd pay out "$X.xx" for the world record catch in the way of cash and/or endorsements...but then tomorrow, when it actually comes around time for them to pay up...will they? Will those companies even still be around? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not sure those companies would want to be on record for stating what they'd pay out to an angler when so many companies promote CPR. Why would a company that promotes CPR then put the incentive out there to keep a fish? Kind of hypocritical don't you think?
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| Only one flaw in your theory about every Tom, Dick, and Jane keeping that many more fish that come up 10 pounds short. I can't remember the last time I saw of a 59+ pounder being caught and released. So, even if every 60 pounder was bonked, we are not talking about any more than a single digit number in the past 10 years or more.
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| Shep - 6/19/2006 2:14 PM
Only one flaw in your theory about every Tom, Dick, and Jane keeping that many more fish that come up 10 pounds short. I can't remember the last time I saw of a 59+ pounder being caught and released. So, even if every 60 pounder was bonked, we are not talking about any more than a single digit number in the past 10 years or more.
True....very true. |
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| In talking with Larry Ramsell at the Muskies Inc. Spring Board meeting in April, he mentioned that the last fish caught that would have qualified for the new Record keeping program(60lbs) was 6 years ago. I could care less about the fame and fortune. If I caught a true World Record Muskie, I'd put it on my wall, and not get a replica or release it. Look at some of the people who frequent this website, and catch 50-400 fish a year. You really think you're not killing fish already? There is no way that all of those fish live. Would I thump the WR? You betcha, but other than that one single fish in my lifetime, the only other reason would be if a fish and my hand had a lure linking them together. |
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| Everybody has the right to keep a fish , I'm not saying it's right or wrong , but that's how it is . I'd let her swim , if I thought I needed my name in the record book's I'd go to Florida and fish in Key-West with some guides I know , they can easily put you or me in the books . And you can keep it 'cause someone will probably beat it in 2 weeks anyway !! |
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Location: Rhinelander. | I will not publish company names or what they may say just add up all the numbers and a post a grand total. I'd never put my sponsors or other companies in a postion like that. .
Tomorrow night on boom hope there is a thump by me heard around the world!!!!!!
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