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Message Subject: Where to draw the line...
BenR
Posted 12/14/2005 8:27 PM (#168756)
Subject: Where to draw the line...


I tryto explain to my friends just how crazy some of the muskie folks are when it comes to catch and release...So give me an idea of the ultimate situation where you would keep a fish...Such as you had to choose between your child and the fish...your wife or the fish....you hand was hooked really bad and the fish was thrashing...would you kill it to save our hand a bit of damage...What is your limit to Catch and Release...Ben

Edited by BenR 12/14/2005 8:29 PM
sworrall
Posted 12/14/2005 8:50 PM (#168758 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
It' a fish, not a child and my wife kicks my but all the time, so.... I do all I can to make sure I get a good release but if it comes down to me or the fish, the fish loses.
reelman
Posted 12/14/2005 9:03 PM (#168759 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...




Posts: 1270


To me the limit is when you want to keep one. While I don't keep muskys, or many other fish, but I believe that it is ones right to keep one if they want to.
BenR
Posted 12/14/2005 9:06 PM (#168760 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...


I let one go that cost me basically around 10K, looking back at it...It was a bad decision...but I really don't lose sleep over it. I thought perhaps the different senarios where one would keep one would be pretty interesting...wasn't really serious about the wife or child...Ben
MuskieMike
Posted 12/14/2005 9:14 PM (#168761 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Location: Des Moines IA
Only 1 I will keep, would be about 65 X 38. Definite world record. That one gets "Bonked"!!! Other than that big girl I do my best to release ALL muskies.
Beaver
Posted 12/14/2005 9:41 PM (#168764 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 4266


The last one I kept was a 40"er that swallowed a 6" Bobbie Bait from behind. I set the hooks and literally ripped her gills out.
I made chowder. It was delicious.
If I'm hooked through the hand and the fish is thrashing, I'll beat it to death with the other hand.
I don't plan on ever keeping another muskie, but the best laid plans..............
Beav
esox50
Posted 12/14/2005 10:30 PM (#168768 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 2024


I have always said that I'm a 99.99999999% catch and release fisherman. That one in a trillion chance that I catch one which is undoubtedly the world record is getting thumped. Period.

BUT, it HAS to be without a shadow of a doubt.
mm12463
Posted 12/14/2005 10:47 PM (#168770 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 207


Location: Mpls, MN
I have no desire to keep one to chow down or mount. Just not interested in a mount at all. Replica or skin.
But if I'm going to get messed up and do exactly what Beaver said - pound the snot out of the fish or pull the blade out and make like Edward Scissors hands on it's arse. After all it's just a fish.
Fishwater1
Posted 12/14/2005 11:25 PM (#168773 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





You're kidding right? It's a #*^@ fish. My hand, my wife and my kids and even my dog all out rank the fish by a ton. No hesitation - bonk. bonK. boNK. bONK. BONK.

theedz155
Posted 12/15/2005 5:35 AM (#168776 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 1438


I'm with Beav here. Don't ever plan on keeping one but... the best laid plans.

Scott
mikie
Posted 12/15/2005 5:46 AM (#168778 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Location: Athens, Ohio
Since us folks farther south are gettin a reputation, I guess the expected answer would be: "Around dinner time".
I don't really plan on consuming one, but if she won't release and the size is legal, well, 'them muskies is some mighty good eatin'.
m
waldo
Posted 12/15/2005 7:44 AM (#168785 - in reply to #168760)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...




Posts: 224


Location: Madison
BenR - 12/14/2005 9:06 PM

I let one go that cost me basically around 10K,


Story?
JohnMD
Posted 12/15/2005 7:47 AM (#168786 - in reply to #168785)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...


Waldo: Ben R had a premature release during a tournament that would have been a new ILL State Record, this Premature release was witnessed by a few other boats, I'll let Ben tell you the whole story

Get A Big One: John
VMS
Posted 12/15/2005 8:21 AM (#168789 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 3480


Location: Elk River, Minnesota
At this point, the only fish I would not release would be one that was somehow fatally injured during fight or unhooking. About 9 years ago, I had a 34 incher's lower jaw break when I went to grab it under the gills. It thrashed in just the right manner and off it came.

Ended up pickling it, which was not bad.

Definitely NOT what I wanted to have happen.

Steve
nwild
Posted 12/15/2005 8:27 AM (#168791 - in reply to #168786)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 1996


Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain
I release all of them. Its a really easy concept for me, they have reproductions, I like to catch them, and I might be the only guide in Northern Wisconsin that can't stand the taste of any fish. It's been easy for me to release them all from the get go.

They are just fish though. If one is connected to me via hooks, I take priority. That goes for anyone else that may be in such a predicament in my boat. I haven't had to keep one for many many years, but if I do find myself in a predicament where one doesn't make it on release, it won't be the end all!
Gander Mt Guide
Posted 12/15/2005 8:36 AM (#168794 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 2515


Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
I know a great taxidermist here in SE Wis. If I get one that obviously won't swim away and live, why toss it back to be a floater? There's plenty of other things for Seagulls to pick at other than a bloated gator.
lobi
Posted 12/15/2005 8:55 AM (#168796 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 1137


Location: Holly, MI

As others have said..It is just a fish! My own safety or my kids would dump the fish immediatly.
I have never kept one yet. Someday I think I will keep one. It will have to be a beauty. I don't want to open up the ugly debate over skin vs replica here but I personally just like the looks of a skin mount better. Also it would mean more to me that it was "the" actual fish that I caught. So far however I have never been tempted to keep one. I hope to catch them all again someday.
cpr is working great, keep up the hard work guys!
MikeHulbert
Posted 12/15/2005 9:01 AM (#168797 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 2427


Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana
I guess I'm an idiot

Edited by MikeHulbert 12/15/2005 3:34 PM
RiverMan
Posted 12/15/2005 9:13 AM (#168800 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...




Posts: 1504


Location: Oregon
I guess I agree with Fishwater on this one, to me it's a fish, nothing more. I wouldn't put a single thing of value to me over a stinkin fish, even a world record version. That being said tho, I do release nearly all fish because I so enjoy catching them!

When you work in the business that I do (as a biologist) you learn to see thousands of fish die, particularly with research. In my business it is often said, "they either die now or they die later".

jed v.
BBC

Edited by RiverMan 12/15/2005 9:16 AM
ESOX Maniac
Posted 12/15/2005 9:15 AM (#168801 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 2753


Location: Mauston, Wisconsin
Ben- been there done that on a Canadian flyin, and that's why I fish barbless today- the fish (+5lb smallie) died from my putting my full weight on it with my knee to keep it from thrashing, and I subsequently ate the beast, yummy!

So far I've released every muskie I've ever caught, but one of those WR class big girls on lake X & lake Y in W. Ontario may not be so lucky- bonk!

Al
muskihntr
Posted 12/15/2005 9:33 AM (#168803 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...




Posts: 2037


Location: lansing, il
having to choose between the safety of someone in my boat and the fish, the fish is gonna die! with that said, this fall i had a 47 inhale a glide bait so far in, that the whole bait was engulfed in its mouth, to the point that the only thing hanging out was my flouro leader. we had a tough time trying ot unhook, cut hooks etc etc. finally i realized the only way to release the fish was to get cut up and get my hands all the way into the fishes mouth. few minutes later the fish was swimming away, but we had to call it a day because a half hour later i was still bleeding pretty bad.
Musky23
Posted 12/15/2005 10:38 AM (#168815 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...


I've never kept a fish and don't want to, maybe if it was a WR. That being said, the day my boat or especially a friend becomes more important than a fish is the day I am embarassed to be a human being.
Steve Van Lieshout
Posted 12/15/2005 10:48 AM (#168817 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...




Posts: 1916


Location: Greenfield, WI
With the incredible graphite mounts available through Fittante, among others, I would see no need to kill one.
The "if it was a world record" situation is so remote from reality that it isn't worth discussing.
I have never even come close to keeping one in over 22 years. I don't see things changing now.
If the fish was dying or likely to die, I would keep it without hesitation.
Crash_McGolden
Posted 12/15/2005 10:56 AM (#168818 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 127


Location: NW burbs of Chicago
Dang, Mike... I'm glad I'm not your girlfriend or boat.
esoxaddict
Posted 12/15/2005 1:11 PM (#168838 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 8781


Hulbert

That's fricken crazy man

We all love them and we all do everything we can to make sure they get back to the water safely, but I gotta admit that's fricken crazy. Putting a fish before someone you love?

I'd put a 60" fish back without thinking, but if I'm hooked, and I'm looking at the potential for permanent injury?

*WHONK!*

no regrets



ckarren
Posted 12/15/2005 2:39 PM (#168847 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Location: Duluth, MN - Superior, WI
I have always said if I were hooked with a lure that was attached to a muskie, I would kill it no question. 2years ago I was put in that situation. I was trolling and caught a 35”er and choose to hand land the fish. Big Mistake!!! The two front hooks of the Jake push home in my arm. I was glad I had my Leatherman on my belt. As I grabbed the Leatherman, I thought it would be easer to unhook it then try killing the fish without having it trashing more.

I think the hardest and more stupid decision was removing the hooks out of my arm next. That $h*t hurts!!!

-Corey
MACK
Posted 12/15/2005 2:50 PM (#168849 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...




Posts: 1080


For me...personal safety will always come first and foremost. In my line of work...I rely on my hands heavily to do my job. I don't want to loose the use of my hands to a hook that's embedded in my hand with a fish still attached and thrashing about. Hence the need for good release tools and ones that are long enough to do the job if necessary.

We as individuals can donate money to stocking programs to grow more fish...we as individuals can not grow another hand.
ToddM
Posted 12/15/2005 10:12 PM (#168882 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 20218


Location: oswego, il
I keep every one so for me it is not an issue. If you freeze them, they make great baseball bats for about a 1/2 hour.
Ranger
Posted 12/16/2005 8:33 AM (#168906 - in reply to #168756)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 3867


I would kill the fish if necessary. But that would likely not be necessary because I keep a set of mini-bolts velcroed in a central location, ALWAYS within immediate reach and a one-handed tug releases them. I put these in place just after an upper 30"s put a Jackpot hook deep in my hand; I had to go an ER to get the hook out and was lucky to have not gimped my paw.

A word to the wise - don't wait 'till too late to find that heavy duty side cutters WILL NOT cut a many heavy duty muskie hooks. Get good mini-bolts and keep them where you can quickly grab them if you get hooked to a fish. (And it seems to me that getting hooked is an eventual certainty for folks who chase muskies all the time.)

ps - I use Lindy gloves, too, and love them. Except one is now in tatters and maybe the folks at Lindy will let me trade it in.
sworrall
Posted 12/17/2005 9:22 AM (#169017 - in reply to #168906)
Subject: RE: Where to draw the line...





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
ToddM,
THAT is funny!!!

The 34"ers would be a close representative to a Mickey Mantle, I think.
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