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Location: Madtown, WI | Stopped at Farm and Fleet in Madison today quickly and wandered down the isle on the way back to get brake pads....saw a freshly stocked rack of South Bend Single Hook rigs.....I thought to myself, "you have got to be kidding"...then I picked it up and read the back....
Something to the effect:
Make sure and let the fish take it for 30 minutes or so to make sure the fish fully swallows the bait and hook. Once the fish is landed, cut the wire leader and carefully release the fish back unharmed.
My jaw dropped.
I didn't have time to go and talk to the manager, but all the packages did find themselves hidden behind some boxes up on the top shelf.
I can't believe South Bend is still making these things! These were brand new packages with new graphics and everything...
What is up with these people???
Cory
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Location: Michigan | Cory,
I believe Tony Rizzo has not been associated with South bend for quite some time now. |
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| Cory,
I like the hide the merchandise trick. The only thing better would have been to put some of Pete Mania's quick set rigs front and center, since they are legal in WI. Maybe MN will figure it out so we don't all have to mess around with spinners and beeds and all this other jewelry to make it a lure. |
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| I see those in stores around the Midwest sometimes and just laugh. All you can do is talk to the department manager and ask that they stock quick strike rigs instead  |
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Location: Madtown, WI | They did have some quick strike rigs next to these....
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Location: The Yahara Chain | The single hook/swallow rig should be outlawed because it is a kill rig.
But the fact is it is still legal to fish with in Wisconsin. Joe managing the Farm and Barn probably is not a muskie fisherman and is not aware that it is a kill rig. Our energy should be used to get the law changed, not to worry about store managers. If people weren't buying the kill rigs, "Joe" wouldn't be ordering them. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Cory,
As stated previously Tony Rizzo has not been involved with South Bend for about 4 years now! I am in total agreement with you about single hook rigs, they should not be sold or manufactured any longer . But please get the facts before you name somebody on a post.
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| His name is on the package, the facts are clear. He may no longer be on payroll, but I have yet to see a statement where he withdrew his support. So at this point the simple clear cut fact is his name is on the product...Ben |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Then check the Manufacture date they are probably Back stock or close-outs |
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| If his name is not on the package, I will take back my statements. However the ones I saw recently did have his name on them, and they could be old...who knows...Ben |
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| Changing the law will not mean that these will not be sold in Wisconsin anymore. Cast nets are illegal in Wisconsin but just about every Wal Mart and K Mart have them for sale. Plus how are you going to write a law that makes a single hook illegal? To make it enforcable and so that it didn't affect other live bait fishermen like walleye guys the regulation would have to be 100 pages long.
South Bend is a distributor that makes things mainly for the mass merchants, they do not really develop anything they mearly copy what is out there. If they notice a decline in there sing;e hook rigs and notice an increase in quick strike rige they will start making quick strike rigs. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I too saw them at Farm & Fleet in Eau Claire on my way to Canada two weeks ago.
I just finished emailing the company at [email protected] I would never encourge anyone to do likewise, but if you have a minute.............
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Location: Illinois | Hi Reelman,
Just an fyi:Illinois has a ban on single hook rigs for any live bait over 8 inches. This allows for catfisherman to use bluegill but prohibits kill rigs for muskies. I realize the law isn't perfect but it's a start.
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Location: Monee, Illinois | Too Classic |
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Location: Michigan | No matter what you think of him, Tony Rizzo has devoted much of his life to the sport of muskie fishing. He is one of the true pioneer's of this craft. His effort's and the knowledge he has passed on deserves and demands respect from all of us!
His name should not have been put up here and associated with killing muskies. I don't care if his name is on some package or not. Views were different, not all the facts were gathered even just a few years back.
I was fortunate enough to be able to share a boat with him back in 1996, and I can tell you he care's a great deal about the well being of muskies and the sport of muskie fishing. He has done more for muskie fishing than most of us could ever dream of .
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Slimeball, I disagree with you. His name is clearly on the package and if he parted ways with South Bend, he should get them to remove his name from those killer rigs. Nobody here is saying that Tony is pushing or endorsing these rigs, it just what it says on the package. |
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Location: Neenah, WI | Muskie Nut
I am in agreement with slimeball. The original post put Tony in association with South Bend which he is not. I also have shared a few days in the boat with him and he cares deeply about this sport. The post after the first one says if we stop buy them they will stop making them. These are obviously back stock and were bought very cheap so they could make more money. If F and F continues to carry them after you make aware that they kill muskies. I really wonder how many of you will stop shopping at F and F at that point .
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Again, I disagree. How is one suppose to know that Tony is not involved? He did push real hard to lobby against the 50 inch rule in but a few lakes in Vilas & Onieda Counties.
Like the oringial post states (and I saw them as well) these look like NEW packaging. Like I said previously it was never stated that Tony is involved with these killer rigs AND his name is clearly on the packaging. If he has an objection, he should get a hold of South Bend and request that his name be removed from the packaging.
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| Muskie Nut ,
The 50 inch rule has nothing to do with Tony's past association with South Bend.
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| So South BEnd approaches Tony and says that we will give you $X to put your name on our musky products. I'm pretty sure that Tony really doesn't have his hands in on the design or marketing of the products, so I wouldn't blame him.
Funny thing is that this topic comes up at least once or twice a year. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Any Professional needs to be keenly aware how his/her image is being used. If Tony (Tony is a friend, btw) isn't promoting the SB Single Hook rigs, and in fact would rather not have his name on the package, that needs to be made clear to SB and the product should be removed from the shelves. It's very simple in this industry; if your name, picture, or both is on the package o the retail shelves, that clearly indicates personal endorsement of the product. No grey area here, that's the way it is.
Continuing to use an image or personal endorsement after the contract period is over is a no-no. If SB is actually doing that, there's a very serious issue there. It's perfectly fair to assume the product was/is endorsed as labeled, unless it is very old stock. The store unit manager can tell you if it is, the register should tell them that much.
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Location: oswego, il | Saint and Slimeball, I thought the same as you about Tony Rizzo and south bend. I too have seen these Tony Rizzo single hook rigs re-appear in stores and they are in brand new packaging, not the old packaging. This stuff is fresh and new from south bend, not old stock. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Cory,
Possibly consider contacting F&F headquarters in Janesville. Bob Blaine himself is a sportsman, I'm sure they would be interested in the point of view.
I will stop by the Chippewa Falls/Eau Claire store and talk with Ken the store manager about not having them on the shelf. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | Couple things here since I started the post:
1. The packages CLEARLY had Tony's name on them and the Graphics were new type graphics, actually looked really good.
2. I am not "bashing" Tony. But like Steve said, whether he is or is no longer with South Bend he STILL is associated with the Kill rigs since his NAME IS ON THE PACKAGE!! Maybe saint, instead of coming after me for "bashing" Tony you should Give Tony a call and have him get on the phone to South Bend and get the stuff off the shelfs.
I was just telling you what I saw....
Good Idea Mark, maybe I will give them a call today....
Cory
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| If he is no longer associated with the kill rigs that is great. However look at his old secrets book and you will soon realize he isn't a catch and release pioneer. Something no doubt passed on to alot of his clients. |
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I just saw these kill rigs at Gander in LaCrosse. They may have been there before and I didn't notice, but I think they just brought them out for the fall. Everytime you tell someone at the store about an issue they just say that the corporate office makes the decisions.
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Reelman's question ..."Plus how are you going to write a law that makes a single hook illegal? To make it enforcable and so that it didn't affect other live bait fishermen like walleye guys the regulation would have to be 100 pages long."
The answer in IL is as follows - (from page 10 of the IL regs)
"When using live bait, all live bait in excess of 8 inches in total length shall be rigged with a quick set rig. The hook shall be immediately set upon strike. A quick set rig is defined as follows: a live bait rig with up to 2 trebble hooks attached anywhere on the live bait, single hooks prohibited. This rule does not apply to trotlines, jug lines, etc., if allowed on that lake."
Each lake that has muskies or pike also has the following language included in the lake specific regs portion of the reg book - "All live bait in excess of 8" must be rigged with a quick set rig."
http://dnr.state.il.us/fish/digest/digest.pdf |
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| Couldn't Rizzo's name have been permanently bought by SB?
Joe Bucher sold his line of tackle and they still bear his name. In 10 years would you all blame him if the buchertails got really crappy? |
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Location: lansing, il | if a guy still promotes killing fish, its only fitting that he endorses kill rigs. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The issue remains getting the rigs off the shelf. I suggest wherever these are found we start a telephone campaign to the fishing department manager and ask they be removed. Give 'em a call! |
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