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| The fourth qualifier of the year is at the Chippewa Flowage the last week of August. Now that is a good schedule finally.
Championship somewhere in MN? |
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| Hmm:
May have to fish this event with my brother. He is the only one I have even been with to catch a fish on the Chip.
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| Where is the schedule for 2005? I find it interesting that they are going to such a fickle lake especially with the 45" limit. Taking a chance at some seriously low #'s. Then again could be some super horses caught. Just depends on the old girls mood. |
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| Hard to believe there won't be any in Ill. or NY  |
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| Chad G, the 45" will not be the mark to enter fish into the tourny. only 2 boats would enter fish. so, i'm sure they'll drop it to 40", 38", 36" or even 32"...i'd image 32" so more boats can compete.
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | No IL tourney? Where is the schedule published? Its is not at http://www.promusky.com |
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| Unless the DNR gives some special ruling for the tournament, the length limit on the Chip is 45". As far as I know the PMTT has always follow the lake length limits. |
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| As the guy that helps do the PMTT website I have not been told of any Chippewa flowage location/date. Or any date for the last 2 qualifiers for that matter.
So until it is announced wait until you bash, scream, yell or celebrate.
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| Chad
The PMTT events are not tranport tournaments and no fish are kept. The 45 inch limit is set for keeping fish. They can set the limits where they want unless the DNR has a special restriction. |
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| Can anyone explain why the 40" minimum on Tonka and Cass, 34" on Eagle Chain, 30" on Cave Run. Seems to me they follow State Law. |
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| Yes I believe fish not to be reduced to possession are supposed to be immediately released. Not held for measurement. It would take a special dispensation by the board to get a smaller size rule for this tourney. My belief anyway. That will be a manly challenge on the Chip at that time of year.
Maybe if they are going to lower the limit they could have special 3 day trolling regs too? LOL. |
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| Do you know how rich Pastikas could get if they allowed trolling on Chip. Talk about a lure eating pond.
Straight from the PMTT site.
Tournament Scoring
a. 30 (thirty) points for a 34 (thirty-four) inch fish. (Size limits and points will be adjusted higher or lower on some lakes with different size limits and regulations.)
Edited by ChadG 11/12/2004 1:46 PM
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| Shelbyville has a 48" size limit. The PMTT had their limit at 34". |
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Location: Watertown MN | I believe the big difference is in the state regulations on the definition of "Possession". In MN it is my understanding that a non legal cannot be held in net waiting for judge boat. I would assume The Chip would revert to a 34" minimum. It will be interesting to see the final lakes named for the trail.
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| Illinois has special regulations wrote very specifically for Musky live release tournaments. Couldn't find nothing like that in Wisconsin's regs yet. Seems to me that there was a fairly heated discussion concerning the WMT series and it got into this area and someone had the DNR ruling on possession for musky tournaments. If anyone finds this pull it up.
I will admit my wrong thinking if you prove it, until then AIN'T NO RAIN here. LOL
Edited by ChadG 11/12/2004 3:22 PM
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| Chad
The championship was held on lake Chautauqua in N.Y. It has a 40 inch limit and the tournament was 34+.
I asked Tim about it and was told as long as we were not transporting and releasing, it was OK. |
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| They also measure 30" fish on the Cave and it has a higher legal limit. They're releasing the fish and handle it better than most. No different than a picture. |
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| Goonga - 11/12/2004 7:22 PM
They also measure 30" fish on the Cave and it has a higher legal limit. They're releasing the fish and handle it better than most. No different than a picture.
Oh really? Higher limit on the Cave? I must have missed that in the regs this year. |
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| I don't see the big deal here at all. Who cares what they make the size limit. The legal size limits for a lake are set by the state and local DNR for a safe harvest of fish from a lake to insure a healthy population. Harvest of a fish, not measurment of a fish. The fish still has to be measured one way or the other. What is the difference what they make the size limit, you still have to measure the fish one anyway.
I think the way some tourneys do the measuring is for the contestants not to even measure the fish. I think Paul Hartman's are run this way. You hook a fish or as soon as it hits the net you call for a judge. By the time you get it unhooked, the judge is there to measure your fish for you. I am sure there is someone out here that fishes the Hartman tourneys and can confirm this.
So once the fish is measured, as long as it isn't kept in the livewell or transported, who cares what size the tournament counts. The fish has already been measured.
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Location: N Illinois | If this rumor is true, this could be a very tough time to fish this lake. The end of Aug? The lake is usually very low at the end of summer and the fish are scatterred and deep. Leave it to the PMTT to hit a lake during it's toughest conditions. |
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| 99,
Guess you like them easy? Actually if you talk to a few of the GUIDES who fish the flowage they say this is a perfect time! I can't wait!
Great job PMTT. I'll be entering for my first year. Now get higher payouts.
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| Hey Musky99,
What did the PMTT ever do to you. You never have anything positive to say in your comments about the PMTT when subjects are brought up. It's either they don't pay out enough. They make you travel too much. You want new waters, etc. Well, which one is it? Do you want to travel to new waters or is it too much traveling? The Chip seems to be new water (well 6yrs ago, makes it new again, kind of) but you say leave it to the PMTT for doing this.
Well, from what I have heard from the locals, your contradictory comments are wrong. They say this is the best time to fish the Chip, for action and size.
It seems like nothing makes you happy about the way the PMTT does their business. It sounds like you are the type of person that either never fished a PMTT event before. Or have, and got lucky and did good once and now thinks he is an authority on it? Lets see what happens. The PMTT has done a good job so far in running a musky circuit, the right way, when others have failed.
I for one think the schedule sounds great and hope it turns out to be true. Hopefully they will hold the Champions in Minnesota. Please?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Easy gents, hate to have to send this one to the Deleted forum.  |
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| I can tell you the PMTT will have a new team if they have a tourny at Chautauqua. |
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| I Hope they have one at the Chip, I'll join the PMTT then. I can catch a fish there at the end of August. |
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| And even "I" could catch a 40" on Vermilion in 3 freakin days!!!!!!!!Not!Hahahahahahahahaha. Steve |
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Location: N Illinois | Tm Lejac,
First off, I have been fishing the flowage since 1989. I think I know the water preatty well. Maybe I should refrase my statement. I think the flowage is an excellent lake to put the PMTT on, but there are better times to fish this lake than the end of August. What if the bite is tough, which from experience i know this time of year it can be, then the lake gets trashed as the dead sea and the PMTT and tounies, etc, etc. If you want an example, the PMTT was on the Fox Chain in Illinois and the bite was tough. The lake got trashed unbelievably. But anyone who fishes this lake knows it puts out fish. I have seen 4 fish days on this lake. So timing is important when picking a lake.
Second I have fished the PMTT for 4 years and have watched the numbers of participants decline. Why is that? I have been on the rules commitee and have listened to the participants concerns. My questions about the PMTT are not solely my opinions, but of many participants. Why do the numbers decline? I know some have quit because the PMTT hasn't fished on differrent lakes. I know the PMTT has discussed this. Others have quit due to travel and time commitments. Others have stopped participating due to unknown reasons. But the bottom line is, the numbers are declining. That is not something the PMTT or the participants want.
I was always taught if somethings not broke, don't fix it. But, if it's not working, changes need to be made. I would very much like to see the PMTT succeed. I would love to see full fields and full payouts. I guess it does come off as a negative voicing my concerns about the direction of something I care about is going.
Alot of statements were made on rumors also. Now the full schedule is out and it is obvious that the PMTT is listening to those who do and have participated in there events. I wish nothing but the best for the PMTT and hope for not only full fields, but I am looking forward to the day when the PMTT can say it has a full field of trail teams.
Edited by musky99 11/17/2004 12:31 PM
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| Musky99
I think you would have to agree that this year on the PMTT almost every lake we fished had a tough bite. Other than the championship, the numbers were down. I think the biggest reason the PMTT is having problems with teams quiting is the payouts. Teams just can't afford it. If you don't come in 1st or 2nd, you can't pay for your trail.
We finished 11th at Eagle River, 9th at Minnetonka, 11th at the championship and ended up 8th in the Top Gun. We did not fish the Cave and Shelbyville as a team. For that we received $456 each in prize money and spent an estimated $1,600 each for food, lodging, gas and entry fees. They need to figure out how to balance the payouts so teams can afford to remain on the trail.
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Location: Watertown MN | I think Bob hit it right on the head, Payout probably is the biggest reason why teams are dropping out. Plus the commitment of travel and vacation time needed to fish the trail. If you do not finish in the top 5 for an event you are probably losing money on that event, when you take into account gas, lodging, meals, and misc expenses, unless on your home water. It is a great time fishing the trail, and meet some great people, but I also look at it like business too. Do good business keep sticking money into bad investments? The PMTT is aware of these issues and stated that they are trying to address them and it will be curoius to see what other changes will be coming out for 2005. The big issues is we want Walleye and Bass payout for sport that does not have their fan following and marketing $$$$$$$ of Walleye/Bass. $250,000 for tourny.
Good fishing
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| It may be a tough time of year but I am glad the PMTT is going to the flowage and Pomme 2 nice new changes.0723 bill ramsey |
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