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| Anybody have any info yet on the 2002 PMTT schedule? Would like to fish a couple if dates and places line up for me. Thanks Let Em Go...Let Em Grow.....Mike | |||
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| The only ones for sure that I have heard announced are: Cave Run, KY - third weekend of April Madison, WI - third weekend of May Invitational Championship - Shelbyville, IL in October They are still working out the details for another qualifier in WI and one in MN. | |||
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| Cave Run KY april 20-21 2002 Madison Chain of Lakes Wisc May 18-19 2002 Eagle River Wisc June 22-23 2002 Cass Lake Mn Sept 14-15 2002 larry | |||
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| Seen in the December/January issue of Musky Hunter that it would be at: Cave Run April 20-21 Madison Chain May 18-19 Northeastern Wisconsin June 22-23 Lake Minnetonka September 14-15 Championship: Shelbyville October 12-13 | |||
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| The minnetonka one has been canceled the dnr didnt give the pmtt a permit | |||
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| Cave Run KY april 20-21 2002 Madison Chain of Lakes Wisc May 18-19 2002 Eagle River Wisc June 22-23 2002 Cass Lake Mn Sept 14-15 2002 | |||
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| Does anyone know if Wingra is included in the "Madison Chain" tournament waters? Thanks, Jono | |||
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| Cady, do you know when the MI international tourn. is? This also includes Cass & Leech etc. In previous years it has been the weekend that is scheduled for the PMTT on Cass I think. Could be mistaken, but that would be awfully crowded don't you think? Could get the locals in an uproar.....Mike | |||
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| I think it's interesting the the North Metro MI tour is on tonka the same weekend that the PMTT is on Cass. I'm a member and I thought it strange when the date was anounced at the meeting last night. I think there's more to it then what we know. | |||
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| Tourney Go-ers, Here is your much needed information. After my discussions with Bob Widlacki, Director of PMTT, the reason for the PMTT not being able to go to Tonka is because Muskies, Inc and the PMTT put in for their tourneys in the same year. Each organization gets a once per year shot at being there. Since PMTT had it there in 2001, MI will get dibs on it for 2002. There were no DNR issues or law-breaking hype involved. Lake Minnetonka only allows 2 different tourneys total per month also, there are strict rules because of the heavy boat traffic it receives on a regular basis. The PMTT already has the permit to be at Cass Lake next year and that is where they will be. I am just glad that there is a MN tourney with them this year!! The PMTT is a great time and everyone should give it a try. If you have any questions, please contact Bob or Tim at their PMTT website, [email protected] or contact myself at [email protected]. I hope to see all of you at the next tourney! Cabin Fever, release your ugly grip!!! I may even throw this weekend?!! Tom Team Esox Co-Founder www.teamesox.com | |||
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| Come on Tom! you know it was a conspiracy! lol. | |||
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| Ya, I know you can't get there by water and by definition it's not part of the chain but I have heard people refer to Wingra as part of the chain before so was curious if there was a looser definition of "chain" for the purposes of the tournament. It would be a mess at Wingra anyway. Thanks Anon. Jono | |||
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| The thing that pi$$es me off about the whole thing is that I'll be on vacation at Cass from September 7-20. Boy won't that be fun fishing during 2 tourneys and the week in between them. Should have the place to myself.[:(] Looks like me and the kid will be doing lots of perch fishing. Beav | |||
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| Anonymous, Sounds like you have an ax to grind. I don't take much credence in anonymous postings. I cant wait. I only have two lakes to learn next year. Already quite familiar with cave run and cass. It'll be fun. | |||
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| Muskyone the muskies inc int is usually the first weekend in sept our chapter puts it on and I will probbably this year be on the commitie, I'll fidd out the date for sure | |||
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| beaver try big lake just north of cass those days fishing is good and there is a good chance for a 50 on this lake larry | |||
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| Beav, Bemidji Lake is only about 15 miles away and I have been hearing great things from over there. Mike | |||
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| cave run, madison and then the the eagleriver is what I an told. the sept one is not set yet. They are working on it.. I got my partner back will be fishing again with tony grant. Everyone have a merry xmas........Don Pfeiffer | |||
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| I too am quite concerned about the amount of tournaments taking place, if the PMTT goes to Cass that would be: The Muskie inc tourny Sept6,7,and 8th, the PMTT the 14th and 15th, The Cass lake tourny and another Tournnament that was supposse to take place the 22nd and 23rd if that holds it would be a minimum of 3 and possibly 4 tournments in a row on Cass. Throw in all the pre fishing that would take place and you are basically looking at a month straight of pure spot pounding. The guy looking to fish Cass for a nice quite weekend with his family is in for a real northwoods treat. [:((] | |||
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| Brian- Lake Minnetonka is under 15,000 acres. By those rules, you can only have 2 tourneys per month due to its size. Cass Lake is over 15,000 acres, so you can have more than 2 per month. The PMTT applied for its Tonka permit as did Muskies, Inc. But M.I. got the permit first and they wanted it the same date as the PMTT did. M.I. was allowed to have their tourney, instead of the PMTT. The PMTT decided, which I am glad they did, to NOT have it at the same location (Tonka) as last year and chose to have it at Cass. I believe every Tournament should hit a different lake each year. Why return to the same one? Our lives revolve around learning and experiencing every lake that we can while fishing for these Evil Fork-Tailed Bastards. Bring on the challenge, I will be there! Also, as I may have stated before, each Tournament group is allowed one trip per year per lake. As for the permit issue, each Tournament group has their own designated (in-state) person that can legally apply for that particular permit, no matter which state it is. As long as that designated person lives there. Brian, I would love to see only one tourney per year on ANY body of water, to be honest with you. At least the various Muskie groups take pics and do virtual weigh-ins, unlike our bass and walleye counterparts. Imagine the body bags if we decided to go that route. Yikes! They are too fragile and rare of a species. Take Care, Tom (Skie' x 2) Team Esox | |||
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| Brian, I believe you did not take the time to read my last message in its entirety. Also, I do not know "who" the designated person is for the PMTT. There are different people in each state that assist each organization to help promote that individual group. Like I stated in the last post, I would like to see one tourney per lake, ever! But, with the growing interest from people like us wanting to explore and learn more about these toothy beasts, tournaments have become a popularity contest. Bass and Walleye tourney-goers are famous for this. Some of these bass tourneys have a ton of boats on lakes that have less than 2000 acres! That is insane! And they KEEP the fish and transport them to a weigh in. Muskies are a rare and somewhat intelligent fish that normally just doesn't go grab anything in front of its face. The musky tourneys that I have been involved in do a great job in making sure the safety is at its best. Once again, Brian, I would like to see one tourney per lake per year total and that is it, I think there is enough lakes to go around. But the next lake of choice is not going to work for the next fisherman. He too will be upset with the pick. Skie' x 2 Team Esox | |||
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| Brian, If you need to contact ther PMTT, here is their website info address: [email protected] They should be able to answer any of your questions. Have you contacted the Muskies,Inc. in your area about any of this? Skie'x 2 Team Esox | |||
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| Just wanted to know when and where. Didn't know I was opening up this big a can of worms. I agree that the Tournament pressure will be a little over the top up on Cass. However, it is still public water to be used by all. As I see it that includes tournament fisherman as well as jet skiers. I pesonally do not take to kindly to the latter but they also can use the water. As for the permit holder to run the tournament, no one person can do everything be it MI, The MN Musky Tournaments or the PMTT. If the permit holder is a member of the PMTT and is present in that capacity, the intent of the verbage to hold the event and meet the permit requirements I believe have been met. The final choice is up to you the individual fisherman as to whether you wish to participate or not. Because you do not want to be involved with tournament angling does not mean that I don't. I for one want to have the choice to participate or not. Sure there are problems within the system between recreational anglers and tournament anglers. Sometimes they are one in the same. If we battle amongst ourselves no one will win except the anti's. I do, however believe that the PMTT could have done their homework and picked a lake other than Cass on this particular weekend. Perhaps it is not to late for them to change at this time. I will however be signing up to fish even if they stay on Cass. Tournament fishing is my one big vice and I will continue with it as long as I am able. I know that I have not solved anything with these few words, but we are all Musky nuts and should be able to get along. If you want arguement and controversy head over to the MH board and have at it. Personally I like it much better over here where we can get along. Geez, all I wanted was a date and place............. Let Em Go...Let Em Grow.....Mike | |||
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| Muskyone, Well said, to say the least. The PMTT did make a wise decision in my mind to have it on Cass because they chose to have it on Tonka in 2001. They are rotating their lake of choice in MN, which I am a firm believer is the "RIGHT" choice to make. There really is no reason whatsoever to go to the same lake every year for a tourney. It creates more of a challenge and it gives that particular body of water a rest. Like I said before, we are all in this together and I feel that the organizations do a superb job in protecting Muskies as a whole. I can tell you right now that when I lived on an excellant bass lake in the past and a bass tourney came around, I used to be quite nervous about it. With the care given at the Muskie tourneys, I think they put the "Muskies first", not the fisherman. I do hate crowds though, I never want to see another boat within 5 miles of me at any given time on the water. That will happen one of two ways: WWW III or that I will never bathe again! Skie' x 2 | |||
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| Brian, I understand your feelings about the rules being bent. However as I stated, I am not sure that the rules are being bent in this case. Of course I don't know that they are not being bent either. A lot of rules in life recieve a stretch now and then. Does not make it right, but thats really how this country was built and is natural human development, to see how far things stretch before they break. Saying that you are not specifically against tournament fishing has a bit of an untrue ring to it. However, if you trully believe that the only reason that you object to this activity is the well being of the fishery. Or in other words the well being of the Musky itself, I think that the only recourse for you is to throw lures with no hooks on them. This will make it absolutly sure that you cause no damage in any shape, manner or form to any of these fish we hold so dear. Protection of the fishery sounds like a very noble intention. But, your idea of protection sounds an awful lot like elimination to me. I may be way off base here but may be correct to a certain extent also. In any case this is the last you will here from me on the subject at this time unless I feel the further need to clarify my position. As I said, all I wanted to know was where and when..............Mike[:devil:] | |||
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| To whom it may concern, As I stated before, we are all in this together. We learn from each other, either by free-fishing or fishing tourneys. I believe that choosing a different lake each year helps out considerably by taking some of the pressure off of that particular lake. It sounds to me like cetain people only want to protect certain lakes when in reality, all lakes should have protection. By protection, I mean allowing tourneys to take place, but by no means bombard the same one each year. This may solve the issue that Brian has. There are plenty of lakes out there and they all should be used in the rotation, only if they have ample acreage to handle such an event. Just like belly-buttons, we all have opinions. I just hope we can all work together by making this sport/hobby of ours called Muskie fishing something that we all can have fun and enjoy doing. There always will be plenty of things to learn, so we need to be optimistic and open-minded with our opinions. Skie' x 2 Team Esox | |||
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| I have fished cass many times. I have seen an enormous amount of pressure on this lake, with no tourny taking place. Maybe the dnr can issue permits like deer hunters get. this way the number of musky fisherman can be regulated. [;)] Also, is it not possible for the other tournies being held on cass to use another lake? You seem to be singling out the PMTT. Not trying to get into a pissing match, but I just dont understand your argument. | |||
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| It reminds me of a quote that goes something like this: "A developer is someone who wants to build a house in the forest. An environmentalist is someone who already built their house in the forest." At my high school reunion, I ran into an old friend. She was doing some type of environmentalist work which basically consisted of paddling a kayak and hiking around a national park to make sure that no one was paddling kayaks and hiking around. Because if they were, that would be bad. It struck me as funny, but I'm not sure she knew why I was laughing. Another story I read in the "My Turn" section of Newsweek struck me as being even more hypocritical. This lady wrote a huge manifesta about the evils of urban sprawl because 5 years ago she and her family moved out of the inner city to a small acreage with deer, rabbits, flowers, blah blah blah. Now she is an activist against people doing exactly what she did. Apparently she feels she should be the only one who should be allowed to live outside condominiums, and all the other houses and cars are more evil than her house and car. Anyhow, now to how I see it relating to this discussion. People are complaining about other people fishing on Cass. 3 tourneys in one month? Yeah, it sucks. Get a helmet. The bottom line is that if you expect to have the right to fish a certain lake, you better accept the fact that other people have that same right, too. There are controls for tournaments (permits, etc), and maybe those need to me re-examined. I don't know. Seems like 2 per month would be plenty, but there's a lot of variables in that too. How many fishermen, etc, etc. I've seen more fishermen pounding hotspots on Leech on a random Friday evening than I did during the MI International. My two cents. | |||
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