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Posts: 32887 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No one better at Livescope and professional crappie anglers. Take a look. https://rb.gy/bp91q Attachments ----------------  Untitled.jpg (142KB - 66 downloads) | ||
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| Is anyone else concerned with Livescope technology affecting our fisheries? Are we looking at reducing limits because of how advanced our technology is getting? Edited by Baby Mallard 8/18/2023 9:11 AM | |||
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Posts: 2330 Location: Chisholm, MN | Baby Mallard - 8/18/2023 9:00 AM Is anyone else concerned with Livescope technology affecting our fisheries? Are we looking at reducing limits because of how advanced our technology is getting? Of course. But the people that make the rules don't seem to care. | ||
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Kirby Budrow - 8/18/2023 9:51 AM Baby Mallard - 8/18/2023 9:00 AM Is anyone else concerned with Livescope technology affecting our fisheries? Are we looking at reducing limits because of how advanced our technology is getting? Of course. But the people that make the rules don't seem to care. I don't think that is always the case, at least here in Wis. A number of lakes in the northern region have seen reduced limits on pan fish. The chain I live on saw the limits reduced six years ago and the crappie population has benefited. Don't have ice fishermen filling five gallon pails with six inch crappies anymore. I belong to a group that kayaks various bodies of water in the area and have seen signs on other lakes denoting reduced limits. I participated in a phone survey/discussion with other property owners and DNR folks about a year ago and there was strong support for continuing the reduced limits. I realize this is a small sample but the folks who make rules are not the issue, in my opinion. It is the fish hogs that oppose reduced limits that I worry about. Before the new limits went into place, you would sometimes see guys go park on the cribs in the morning, limit out and then come back in the evening and do the same. Edited by North of 8 8/18/2023 11:17 AM | |||
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Posts: 160 | Ice fishing decimates panfish populations. And almost no ice anglers are interested in releasing them. Some bag limits have already changed in recent years but more will be needed. The only thing that saves some of these lakes from being destroyed every winter is bad ice conditions with a lot of snow/slush like we had last winter. Its not as big of a deal in the realm of muskie fishing, at least from a harvest stand point because no muskie anglers are keeping the fish they catch. Its mostly the same with bass fishing too. But walleye and panfish anglers are a different breed, the meat hunting breed. Edited by gimruis 8/18/2023 11:15 AM | ||
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Posts: 32887 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | gimruis - 8/18/2023 11:14 AM Ice fishing decimates panfish populations. And almost no ice anglers are interested in releasing them. Some bag limits have already changed in recent years but more will be needed. The only thing that saves some of these lakes from being destroyed every winter is bad ice conditions with a lot of snow/slush like we had last winter. Its not as big of a deal in the realm of muskie fishing, at least from a harvest stand point because no muskie anglers are keeping the fish they catch. Its mostly the same with bass fishing too. But walleye and panfish anglers are a different breed, the meat hunting breed. I AM a panfish angler, and walleyes too. I release all the right pannies to make sure the big ones are always there and take way less than a single person's limit from most waters when two or more of us are in the boat. I'm not a bit unique either, a lot of folks who fish for all species are conservationists. That said, there are waters where limits NEED to be harvested because of imbalances in panfish populations. I'm also a serious ice angler and see the same trend there, and the same 'abuses' can be blamed on open water anglers. I WILL take a few for dinner, that's exactly how the fisheries are managed, these ain't muskies we are talking. Also, many of our lakes here that support really good quality panfish have MUCH more restictive limits these days.I HAVE all the new Humminbird tech, and guess what....I do catch a few more fish these days, but that didn't change my harvest practices one whit and I'm hardly a 'meathunter'. There are individuals who fish muskies who aren't conservation oriented too, that's why there's Muskies Inc. | ||
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Posts: 2330 Location: Chisholm, MN | That’s exactly right Steve. Lots and lots of panfish people are getting big into conservation. And No8, it’s the same thing in MN and a step in the right direction. Unfortunately the catch and release species like muskies are taking a huge hit by it. You can’t catch a musky 20 times and expect it to live or want to bite anything but a live fish. | ||
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Posts: 20221 Location: oswego, il | Live imaging sonar is well out of the average angler's price range until that changes most of the fisheries won't be affected. Exceptions would be Musky lakes that are chased heavily by people who can afford it. Edited by ToddM 8/19/2023 8:41 AM | ||
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Posts: 320 | I crappie fished down on Grenada a few years ago and talked to a local guide there at the ramp. He said that the serious tourney anglers all use the live technology and will pull up on brush piles and stumps and if there aren’t three pound crappie in the school, they keep looking and won’t even fish them since it takes over a three pound average to place. Watching them fish it’s almost like they are playing a video game! I don’t have it in my boat or experienced in another boat but would like to check it out sometime. Technology won’t go away so it’s nice to see the regulations in place and guys self regulating so everyone can have enjoy the resource. | ||
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Posts: 32887 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | One of my clients is the National Crappie League. Fun to watch those anglers hunt down the fish in the post-tourney video, and amazing how many times teams report on stage that "We saw several big ones and worked 'em hard, but they wouldn't go!" Happens to me a lot, see a school of 10"-12" crappie on a crib or tree and pitch to them for a half hour with maybe 2. I agree with Kirby that sharpshooting for muskies is an issue, but I'm not at all willing to give up my Mega Live for multi-species fishing because some other guy isn't taking care of the muskie population, that's a social issue that will work itself out due to peer pressure. I flat won't use my Mega 360 or Live for sharpshooting muskies, it's horribly boring. Todd is right, too, the stuff on my boat that gets me in the world of 'see everything' retails for $8250. Sue asked me this morning while we were eating breakfast if I'd give it up to save money on the next new boat. Nope. I actually use it mostly for micro-managing boat control, now knowing exactly where the weedines, rock edges, etc are and keeping my ride in the sweet zone. I already know where the fish will be pretty much, and it's cool to confirm. I'm a techie (always have been, that's why this place exists) and will run full bore into the advances as they come. | ||
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I see a lot of boats with the Livescope technology in MN. There are panfish and walleye guides here that send their clients home with limits every single day while utilizing this technology. Targeting a low density fish like the Muskie with forward facing sonar will decimate the population. Like Kirby said, the more often a fish is caught, the more likely they will die from hooking mortality. These fish have never seen fishing pressure like this before, especially in deeper water applications where pulling fish from deep water leads to higher mortality post release.
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Posts: 32887 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ' These fish have never seen fishing pressure like this before, especially in deeper water applications where pulling fish from deep water leads to higher mortality post release. ' That's where social pressure and education comes in. Used to be shorelines were dotted with single hook sucker muskie anglers here in the fall, now almost no one, everyone fishing live bait went to quick strike rigs. Remember that debate? Back trolling was going to destroy our fisheries here. Didn't for a number of reasons. Fishing muskies in overly warm water was a thing here, now most of the serious anglers give them a break. I remember when paper graphs came out the gloom and doom that walleyes would be gone. We'll adjust one way or another because we will have to. Panfish limits will be adjusted. Walleye limits already have been. Warming waters have largemouth bass exploding in the North, and folks have begun to figure out how much fun they can be, but where they are over-running walleye populations and harvesting is really needed, people still won't due to the stigma of keeping a limit of bass. Works both ways. There are now more folks fishing muskies than ever, yet the only nationally organized group trying to do anything about conservation is not growing as it should be. Lots of reasons for that we are addressing right now, but we sure don't want to lose what the MI chapters accomplish. Join one today, and become part of the solution. https://muskiesinc.org/indy_files/miWjoin | ||
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Posts: 1415 Location: Brighton CO. | Being on a Muskie web sight everyday you could say that I have a bad case of Muskie Fever, with that said I have five ultra lights and enough 1/16 and 32 ozJjigheads to sink a Battleship. I think someone told that more people Ice Fish in Minnesota and Wisconsin in the winter then on open water in the summer. Yes the fish get pounded year around. I think we all been to a resort and someone is a Fish Hog where they go keep hoards of fish of all sizes day after day. And yes the old days with old regs. when people would go to places like Lac Vieux Desert or Winnie and keep a truck bed full of Perch. As stated above keep a few medium sized fish serve with French Fries, Onion Rings, Bacon, and Bread or Indain Fry Bread wash them down with Pop and Beer. (Coffee on a cold day) | ||
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Posts: 355 Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | As far as education and peer pressure I would say that is not the route that is going to work to conserve musky fisheries for the benefit of everyone - regulation is the only answer given today's social media realm. Just saw this today on apparently what is a pretty respected site: https://www.themeateater.com/fish/walleye/3-techniques-to-catch-wall... Not a peep in this article about conservation and the effects of deep water fishing for walleye which are physoclistous (air bladder separate from gut), basically catch them over 30 feet and they are dead. Just check out youtube and see all the how-tos on muskies and live imaging. Does look like anything really recognizable to what we got ourselves into when we started. I respect what Pete Maina is starting to say about it but even more forceful would be better. It needs to be banned for muskie fishing by regulation, not peer pressure as the only peer pressure is to buy products to catch more fish (not enjoy the outdoors and test your own skills) Edited by Angling Oracle 8/23/2023 7:09 AM | ||
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Posts: 32887 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Angling Oracle - 8/23/2023 7:03 AM As far as education and peer pressure I would say that is not the route that is going to work to conserve musky fisheries for the benefit of everyone - regulation is the only answer given today's social media realm. Just saw this today on apparently what is a pretty respected site: https://www.themeateater.com/fish/walleye/3-techniques-to-catch-wall... Not a peep in this article about conservation and the effects of deep water fishing for walleye which are physoclistous (air bladder separate from gut), basically catch them over 30 feet and they are dead. Just check out youtube and see all the how-tos on muskies and live imaging. Does look like anything really recognizable to what we got ourselves into when we started. I respect what Pete Maina is starting to say about it but even more forceful would be better. It needs to be banned for muskie fishing by regulation, not peer pressure as the only peer pressure is to buy products to catch more fish (not enjoy the outdoors and test your own skills) First of all, The Meat Eater is not where average walleye anglers search out information. So exactly how do we: 1) Write the law and propose it to State legislatures 2) Acquire acceptance of the law enough to pass it 3) Enforce it 4) Make it so in every state where muskie angling is available There are very serious laws on the books regarding speed limits and nearly everyone pays zero attention to them. I get near run over towing my boat at 62 (breaking the law) in a 55 up here, and people (and some towing boats) actually flip me off. There are WAY more traffic officers than wardens. Are you suggesting it should be illegal for me to own a Mega Live? That I'd fight like a banshee. The same thing was said about CPR. The LAW here on most lakes is 1 muskie harvested per day per angler. I was part of getting 50" limits on a few lakes, and it was not easy, but I can tell you 50" muskies are for the most part released everywhere now by the average muskie angler. Why is that? I'm old enough to remember clearly the battle to get CPR accepted. Muskies Inc led that charge and it spilled over to many other species. I was a guide and people WANTED to keep muskies. I told them no and lost a lot of work. Now young guides and anglers will stop and inform anglers who accidentally catch a muskie how important it is to release the fish. It's part of who and what we are now. How about bump boards? Shouldn't the use be regulated? They are obviously bad for the fish used out of the water, right? I'd like to see that but it ain't happening. Regulation will not pass to stop sonar companies from innovating. Spot-Lock could really be considered more 'damaging' to the fisheries overall than forward-facing sonar. Way more people can afford it, too. Then there's Target Lock. Isn't side imaging how most sharpshooters locate the fish in the first place? YouTube offers videos on how to do pretty much everything. There is just one on cleaning a muskie I could find. Just one. And comments are turned off....hmmm. Remember transport-to-register muskie tournaments? Gone. I agree sharpshooting is not a good thing. I'm also very keenly aware of what it takes in the US to pass and enforce such a regulation. Make it shameful for someone to admit they caught a muskie sharpshooting with the same prickish behavior it took to get CPR accepted, and at least we make headway. | ||
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Posts: 1415 Location: Brighton CO. | I read a off beat article about one of the lakes I've fished over the years and they tried to adjust the water levels to help the Walleye spawn and they tried to adjust the water to get the Wild Rice beds how they used to be. The problem they can't do both! Bit once upon a time they naturally the best of both worlds. We try to do different things to keep the woods and water pristine but the amount of people makes it hard. In the 70's before the spearing started you had to be a very skilled fishermen to catch a limit of Walleyes on a regular basis. (at leased how I remember it) Fishing pressure is nothing new and yes it's worst then ever. I have not fished Northern Wis. from mid June in till after labor day since the 1980's. If we wanted to fish in summer it was off to Canada. | ||
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Posts: 1415 Location: Brighton CO. | Opp's we did fish Aug. 1992 because we fished with a guide on a night trip and in 1993 was the last year we fished late June. | ||
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Posts: 355 Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Lots of great points there Mr. Worrall (Steve). I certainly don't have the answers and believe me we debate what they should be given we have what I would consider to be very fragile natural reproducing musky population with relatively old fish at their maximum sizes (ie fragile when it comes to pressure). Obviously I'm Canadian, so our processes for legislation different than what you have from what I can tell (not easy to get things done, but probably easier). I still don't know what the answer is for regs. It might make the most sense to have refuge areas at particular times of the year - but this possibly too complicated. An outright ban probably makes the most sense and easiest to implement - realistically there are more against (or don't have the technology) than the for (or have it). Ultimately you are probably right, it won't get banned and peer pressure will all we have, but we do need to be all on the same page and say we are against it if we do agree it is a bad thing for musky fishing. I'm not sure but it appears that you are hardening your attitude a bit more on the against side. Yes, side imaging a huge advantage (as is mapping, spot lock, etc), but harrassing fish out in open water at depth (or bunched up chasing ciscos in current at depth) is the sort of over the top musky fishing ethical issue that needs addressing one way or other. If not okay to fish for them while spawning or under ice or whatever (because we have decided unethical) then why are we allowing this, which clearly crosses the ethical boundaries for those who cherish this fishery the most? Edited by Angling Oracle 8/23/2023 1:20 PM | ||
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Posts: 99 | I don't really have a problem with sharpshooting, so long as you aren't targeting fish super deep. If you've got the bottom of the sonar set to like 15 ft, and don't cast at anything deeper or even see it in this case, what's the real difference between that and trolling open water? I'd argue you're way less likely to pull up a fish from deep doing that than if you were just trolling the open water basin with a lure that dives 12-15 feet. What's to stop a fish from flying up from 30 ft and smoking the bait? Should open water fishing be banned altogether and you can only target structure in 15 ft or less? | ||
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Posts: 2330 Location: Chisholm, MN | Tommy - 8/24/2023 12:21 PM I don't really have a problem with sharpshooting, so long as you aren't targeting fish super deep. If you've got the bottom of the sonar set to like 15 ft, and don't cast at anything deeper or even see it in this case, what's the real difference between that and trolling open water? I'd argue you're way less likely to pull up a fish from deep doing that than if you were just trolling the open water basin with a lure that dives 12-15 feet. What's to stop a fish from flying up from 30 ft and smoking the bait? Should open water fishing be banned altogether and you can only target structure in 15 ft or less? The difference, in Minnestoa anyway, is that you'll catch 10 times as many fish sharpshooting over trolling. | ||
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Posts: 160 | I don't think education is going to work. How many stats out there indicate you have a much greater chance at survival if you wear a PFD, and people still won't wear them. The only way to do it is with regulation, and then enforce it. Good to hear that at least some out there are being conservative with the panfish, especially during ice fishing. They have almost year round pressure on them. Someone posted there is more angling hours in the winter than the open water - that is absolutely true even if the season is much shorter. Check out Upper Red Lake around Thanksgiving every year. Angling pressure is astronomical. | ||
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Posts: 99 | Kirby Budrow - 8/24/2023 12:41 PM Tommy - 8/24/2023 12:21 PM I don't really have a problem with sharpshooting, so long as you aren't targeting fish super deep. If you've got the bottom of the sonar set to like 15 ft, and don't cast at anything deeper or even see it in this case, what's the real difference between that and trolling open water? I'd argue you're way less likely to pull up a fish from deep doing that than if you were just trolling the open water basin with a lure that dives 12-15 feet. What's to stop a fish from flying up from 30 ft and smoking the bait? Should open water fishing be banned altogether and you can only target structure in 15 ft or less? The difference, in Minnestoa anyway, is that you'll catch 10 times as many fish sharpshooting over trolling. That's generally what happens when new tools and technology come out. | ||
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Posts: 32887 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | gimruis - 8/24/2023 1:05 PM I don't think education is going to work. How many stats out there indicate you have a much greater chance at survival if you wear a PFD, and people still won't wear them. The only way to do it is with regulation, and then enforce it. Good to hear that at least some out there are being conservative with the panfish, especially during ice fishing. They have almost year-round pressure on them. Someone posted there is more angling hours in the winter than the open water - that is absolutely true even if the season is much shorter. Check out Upper Red Lake around Thanksgiving every year. Angling pressure is astronomical. Did you read the rest of the thread? Easy to say, tell me HOW you would see that done. I remember the same thing being said about catch and release. Regulating sharpshooting ain't up to us anyway, so the answer to the question asked in another post as to 'why we allow this'? Because 'we' don't make those decisions, and from my perspective, that's a good thing. Go through the process of getting conservation-related regulations placed once and you may appreciate everything that goes into creating another restrictive rule. 'We' can contribute our positions and opinions to the debate, and create social pressures if enough of us agree. | ||
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Posts: 1288 | As an example to Steve's point, take a look at what went in to getting the 54" limit in Minnesota. While there were many, many, people that lent their support through signing petitions, sending letters to their representatives, and spreading the word, there was a much smaller group of extremely dedicated people, that did the heavy lifting, that gave everyone else the chance to chime in. You have to battle through things like a chair of the outdoor finance committee, that won't let legislation get on the committee docket, much lest get a vote to move it along. Sometimes that opposition is because they don't like the actual legislation, but other times, it can simply be political, because they don't want the sponsor to have a success. Or they require horse trading. The original thought was to have a 55" inch limit. The drop to 54" had nothing to do with science or any other logical reasoning. It was simply to give a "win", to a politician who had to sign off to keep the bill alive, so that they could say they had an effect on the legislation. The amount of pressuring, cajoling, and horse trading, that has to go on, just to get your foot in the door, much less get something passed, is staggering. You have to know who all the players are, and how they stand and what they want. And sometimes, someone you never thought would be a player, comes out of nowhere, and becomes the biggest stumbling block, for reasons that have nothing to do with the bill being presented. The vast majority of muskie fisherman in Minnesota, have no idea how lucky they are, that there is a small number of people who have an unbelievable knowledge of the landscape at the legislature, and also have the respect, of many of the key players. Without them, I hate to think of the state our muskie fishery would be in. Edited by TCESOX 8/24/2023 5:51 PM | ||
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| Trying to regulate technology would be a nightmare. Enforcement would be worse. In WI, there has been a push for several years to try and get some regulation of wake surfing boats. While they can present an obvious nuisance to fishermen, kayakers, etc., the damage they do to lake bottoms, shorelines, etc. is more subtle but has come to be well documented. A retired attorney has dedicated himself to trying to get regulation, including taking underwater before/after video of lake bottom near his home. The underwater video shows, vegetation, fish before and bare ground with no fish after. Loon watchers have documented loon nests being destroyed by the wake hitting shore. It goes on and on but we are still a long ways from any meaningful regulation. Some local ordinances have been passed but they seldom have the means to enforce. State officials like wardens cannot enforce local, only state regulations. | |||
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Posts: 2330 Location: Chisholm, MN | TCESOX - 8/24/2023 5:44 PM As an example to Steve's point, take a look at what went in to getting the 54" limit in Minnesota. While there were many, many, people that lent their support through signing petitions, sending letters to their representatives, and spreading the word, there was a much smaller group of extremely dedicated people, that did the heavy lifting, that gave everyone else the chance to chime in. You have to battle through things like a chair of the outdoor finance committee, that won't let legislation get on the committee docket, much lest get a vote to move it along. Sometimes that opposition is because they don't like the actual legislation, but other times, it can simply be political, because they don't want the sponsor to have a success. Or they require horse trading. The original thought was to have a 55" inch limit. The drop to 54" had nothing to do with science or any other logical reasoning. It was simply to give a "win", to a politician who had to sign off to keep the bill alive, so that they could say they had an effect on the legislation. The amount of pressuring, cajoling, and horse trading, that has to go on, just to get your foot in the door, much less get something passed, is staggering. You have to know who all the players are, and how they stand and what they want. And sometimes, someone you never thought would be a player, comes out of nowhere, and becomes the biggest stumbling block, for reasons that have nothing to do with the bill being presented. The vast majority of muskie fisherman in Minnesota, have no idea how lucky they are, that there is a small number of people who have an unbelievable knowledge of the landscape at the legislature, and also have the respect, of many of the key players. Without them, I hate to think of the state our muskie fishery would be in. I thank everyone that was involved in that enormous undertaking! You are right, we would hardly have a fishery if it weren't for the good guys. Eventually, I think we will see the fishery decline so rapidly that the DNR will have to take a stance and do some sort of regulation. I'm not talking just muskies either. Everything. Our poor fish cannot be sustained with the current management. And the public will support it eventually as well when they see that there are no more fish for them to catch. Seasonal refuge areas sound like the best idea to me. | ||
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Posts: 160 | sworrall - 8/24/2023 2:24 PM gimruis - 8/24/2023 1:05 PM I don't think education is going to work. How many stats out there indicate you have a much greater chance at survival if you wear a PFD, and people still won't wear them. The only way to do it is with regulation, and then enforce it. Good to hear that at least some out there are being conservative with the panfish, especially during ice fishing. They have almost year-round pressure on them. Someone posted there is more angling hours in the winter than the open water - that is absolutely true even if the season is much shorter. Check out Upper Red Lake around Thanksgiving every year. Angling pressure is astronomical. Did you read the rest of the thread? Easy to say, tell me HOW you would see that done. I remember the same thing being said about catch and release. Regulating sharpshooting ain't up to us anyway, so the answer to the question asked in another post as to 'why we allow this'? Because 'we' don't make those decisions, and from my perspective, that's a good thing. Go through the process of getting conservation-related regulations placed once and you may appreciate everything that goes into creating another restrictive rule. 'We' can contribute our positions and opinions to the debate, and create social pressures if enough of us agree. My apologies, I was specifically referring to the comment about catch and release with panfish/ice fishing, not regulating live sonar/technology. One observation I've noted over the years is that it tends to be age-related. I see it with my own family and relatives too. The older generation didn't grow up fishing with catch and release. They kept most fish because they wanted to eat them, regardless of species/size. When I crappie fish with my own Father, he is down right appalled if I release a 12 inch crappie. When I fish with my brother, we release all of them. Its a generational thing. Edited by gimruis 8/25/2023 10:01 AM | ||
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Posts: 355 Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | TCESOX - 8/24/2023 5:44 PM The vast majority of muskie fisherman in Minnesota, have no idea how lucky they are, that there is a small number of people who have an unbelievable knowledge of the landscape at the legislature, and also have the respect, of many of the key players. Without them, I hate to think of the state our muskie fishery would be in. This is how it is for any issue. Whoever those folks are, if they still have the energy and fight in them, then those are who you need to get things done. I'm not speaking as someone who is naive to the process (on any side of this: reg proposals, dealing with legislators, biologists, managers and politicians). Yes, hard work, need the networking, science, in some cases lawyers, definitely political support, but pretty much anything is possible. Check out our Manitoba regs on both the hunting and fishing side. If science and fisheries management on your side with this or any issue, then not hard at all to kibosh. Enforcement is easy: use it, lose it. See you in court to prove it. If you are tired of the fight, then that is fine - understandable, but please don't talk other folks out of it because it is hard. That's life. Edited by Angling Oracle 8/25/2023 10:16 AM | ||
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Posts: 355 Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Angling Oracle - 8/25/2023 10:07 AM If science and fisheries management on your side with this or any issue, then not hard at all to kibosh. Enforcement is easy: use it, lose it. See you in court to prove it. I'm being a bit blasé when saying not hard to kibosh something - it is easier when you have these folks on your side who will do the hard lifting, writing up the policy objectives etc, take to top beaurocrats and move it forward to recommend it be passed to those on the political (legislative side). Just looking at the Wisconsin suggested reg changes, your system does not appear that much different that ours - perhaps a bit more accessible to stakeholders, but just like here, whatever you think on issue will have no impact if not involved. | ||
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Posts: 1288 | Angling Oracle - 8/25/2023 10:07 AM TCESOX - 8/24/2023 5:44 PM The vast majority of muskie fisherman in Minnesota, have no idea how lucky they are, that there is a small number of people who have an unbelievable knowledge of the landscape at the legislature, and also have the respect, of many of the key players. Without them, I hate to think of the state our muskie fishery would be in. If you are tired of the fight, then that is fine - understandable, but please don't talk other folks out of it because it is hard. That's life. I certainly didn't intend to talk anyone out of the fight. Just pointing out that it is exactly that, a fight. Our primary heavy lifters have been doing this for a long time. They have sacrificed careers, family time, and energy, spending time in hearings at the Capitol, going to DNR workshops, testifying before committees, and really need a break. While they are in need of pulling back, they have realized that they just can't do that at this time, because there really is nobody capable of filling their shoes. They have agreed to stay on until they can mentor their replacements. If you have an amenable work and family situation, and have an interest in the political process, they will take you under their wings. They will introduce you to their network, help you get familiar with the process, and make sure you have the tools to succeed. This is not left/right, red/blue politics. This is the process as it is supposed to work. You will find supporters and detractors, on both sides of the aisle. We also have a quality paid lobbyist to assist. If you have an interest and a passion, and would like to make an impact, feel free to PM me, and I will connect you. I am still 2 to 4 years from retirement, and am buckling down at work, to make sure that I can retire sooner rather than later. Once I do retire, I will be able to spend much more time devoted to our cause. In the mean time, fresh blood would be happily welcomed. | ||
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