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| So it looks like we've shot down another surveillance craft... That makes 4 in the last few days. Any thoughts in what that might be about? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Trying to sneak eggs into the US. Worth zillions. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | And they thought the cold wars was over. |
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Location: Ludington, MI | Netflix said they were going to step up efforts to stop password sharing. Just because they didn't put their logos on them... |
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Location: WI | To save our armed forces some surveillance money, I think we need to require all non spy ballon’s to be blaze orange. |
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Location: NW WI | Bah, our kids/grandkids will know the theoretical truth decades from now watching some "declassified" show that airs in the middle of a weekday on the History channel. It'll be something about how some college kids were just trying to live stream the Superbowl. |
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Location: Lower Peninsula | I’m more concerned about all the Musky (and other wildlife, I guess) in East Ohio. Yikes! |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | That one over Huron was flying too close to LSC for me mot to believe they are not spying on our muskies. m |
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Location: NW WI | My Kwik trip's gas pump word of the day today was "Orbitual"
...and cue XFiles tune... XD
Edited by 7.62xJay 2/13/2023 6:13 PM
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Location: oswego, il | They are trying to see how many of us don't have extended warranties on our vehicles or
They are trying to create more TikTok videos or
They got tired of seeing all the memes of the Tennessee policewoman and changed the narrative. |
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| Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites? |
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Location: Brighton CO. | Here in the USA we have more satellite's than any one, but China is second. The thing about satellite's we know when there's are overhead and they know when ours are going overhead so you can move stuff and hide stuff between flyovers. They think what these balloons were trying to get cell phone and computer info from us? There are planes we can put up and jam there signals. Dad and I used to work for Hughes Aircraft so in the past I've bought some books about my old company and it made for good reading. So last January I bought a bunch of books about Lockheed, Northrop, Rockwell, McDonnell/Douglas and a few other aircraft/AreoSpace companies also great reading. One thing that was really cool was reading how Lockheed came up with the U2 and how we told the Russians it was for weather observation's ECT. (now China used the same lines of B.S. on us) Then came the SR-71 (flies at 90,000 feet at 4 times the speed of sound and can cruise at three times the speed of sound) Even though they knew it was coming they could not shoot it down. We have planes we fly off the coast of China/Russia in international waters and can bug them too. A big game of cat and mouse. |
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Location: Twin Cities Metro | North of 8 - 2/14/2023 10:23 AM
Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites?
I can think of three reasons.
1) Satellites aren't very good at gathering signals intelligence near the ground. Listening to what military communications say when they spot things on radar is potentially valuable. Preliminary reports indicate signals intelligence capability within the Chinese balloon's payload.
2) If you put the same imaging technology on a balloon at 64000 feet as you have on a satellite in low Earth orbit (about 6400000 feet), you can see more detail. To reframe this, you can use imaging tech with 1/100 the resolution on a balloon compared to a satellite (ie it is much cheaper).
3) Balloons can loiter over areas of interest practically indefinitely. Satellites in low Earth orbit are hustling along at about 15000mph.
Just a few ideas... |
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| RobertK - 2/14/2023 3:49 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 10:23 AM
Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites?
I can think of three reasons.
1 ) Satellites aren't very good at gathering signals intelligence near the ground. Listening to what military communications say when they spot things on radar is potentially valuable. Preliminary reports indicate signals intelligence capability within the Chinese balloon's payload.
2 ) If you put the same imaging technology on a balloon at 64000 feet as you have on a satellite in low Earth orbit (about 6400000 feet ), you can see more detail. To reframe this, you can use imaging tech with 1/100 the resolution on a balloon compared to a satellite (ie it is much cheaper ).
3 ) Balloons can loiter over areas of interest practically indefinitely. Satellites in low Earth orbit are hustling along at about 15000mph.
Just a few ideas...
Some good suggestions. I had read that the slow and low of a balloon was an advantage. But, can they control the flight path, or are the balloons subject to the jet stream path? |
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Location: Twin Cities Metro | At the altitude involved, they would be subject to the jet stream (which is usually at an altitude of between 32000 and 48000ft). But early reports indicated that the balloon was able to be piloted as well. Probably a bit of both, really. Neither absolute control over flight path, nor completely at the mercy of the winds aloft. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | Looking for missiles and planes and balloons to coin a phrase "under the radar"
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| I understand 1 of the 2 missiles fired over Huron? is in the water. Snag that thing and it would make for some interesting boat conversation. |
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Location: E. Tenn | North of 8 - 2/14/2023 5:02 PM
RobertK - 2/14/2023 3:49 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 10:23 AM
Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites?
I can think of three reasons.
1 ) Satellites aren't very good at gathering signals intelligence near the ground. Listening to what military communications say when they spot things on radar is potentially valuable. Preliminary reports indicate signals intelligence capability within the Chinese balloon's payload.
2 ) If you put the same imaging technology on a balloon at 64000 feet as you have on a satellite in low Earth orbit (about 6400000 feet ), you can see more detail. To reframe this, you can use imaging tech with 1/100 the resolution on a balloon compared to a satellite (ie it is much cheaper ).
3 ) Balloons can loiter over areas of interest practically indefinitely. Satellites in low Earth orbit are hustling along at about 15000mph.
Just a few ideas...
Some good suggestions. I had read that the slow and low of a balloon was an advantage. But, can they control the flight path, or are the balloons subject to the jet stream path?
The desired effect is psychological... and it's working. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | So now we know how the fish feel when we're watching them from above. |
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| Looks like the last 3 were just balloons people put up (weather balloons are less than 100 bucks each, helium a bit more, or just make your own hydrogen) . If I had one, I'd launch it. |
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| Brian Hoffies - 2/14/2023 6:03 PM
I understand 1 of the 2 missiles fired over Huron? is in the water. Snag that thing and it would make for some interesting boat conversation.
I know it missed and they thought it went in the water. That is some scary stuff. Going back to my time in Army E.O.D., that is a blow in place item. It will have had safety measures removed and experienced whatever physical forces needed to fully arm (acceleration, etc.). That was another reason why it was smart to wait until the first one was over ocean. Stuff happens. I would guess they have a Navy E.O.D. team either there or on the way. They are all trained in underwater demolition. |
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Location: NW WI | Given the frailty and a borderline stationary target;any insight as to why the aircraft didn't use its cannons instead?
Edited by 7.62xJay 2/15/2023 10:23 PM
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Location: oswego, il | miket55 - 2/14/2023 9:48 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 5:02 PM
RobertK - 2/14/2023 3:49 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 10:23 AM
Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites?
I can think of three reasons.
1 ) Satellites aren't very good at gathering signals intelligence near the ground. Listening to what military communications say when they spot things on radar is potentially valuable. Preliminary reports indicate signals intelligence capability within the Chinese balloon's payload.
2 ) If you put the same imaging technology on a balloon at 64000 feet as you have on a satellite in low Earth orbit (about 6400000 feet ), you can see more detail. To reframe this, you can use imaging tech with 1/100 the resolution on a balloon compared to a satellite (ie it is much cheaper ).
3 ) Balloons can loiter over areas of interest practically indefinitely. Satellites in low Earth orbit are hustling along at about 15000mph.
Just a few ideas...
Some good suggestions. I had read that the slow and low of a balloon was an advantage. But, can they control the flight path, or are the balloons subject to the jet stream path?
The desired effect is psychological... and it's working.
Ding!.Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Our air force is scrapping it's planes and drones for balloons as we speak. |
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Location: SW Ohio | To give all of us conspiracy theorists something to discuss until the weather breaks and/or lakes thaw..... |
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| ToddM - 2/16/2023 5:16 AM
miket55 - 2/14/2023 9:48 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 5:02 PM
RobertK - 2/14/2023 3:49 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 10:23 AM
Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites?
I can think of three reasons.
1 ) Satellites aren't very good at gathering signals intelligence near the ground. Listening to what military communications say when they spot things on radar is potentially valuable. Preliminary reports indicate signals intelligence capability within the Chinese balloon's payload.
2 ) If you put the same imaging technology on a balloon at 64000 feet as you have on a satellite in low Earth orbit (about 6400000 feet ), you can see more detail. To reframe this, you can use imaging tech with 1/100 the resolution on a balloon compared to a satellite (ie it is much cheaper ).
3 ) Balloons can loiter over areas of interest practically indefinitely. Satellites in low Earth orbit are hustling along at about 15000mph.
Just a few ideas...
Some good suggestions. I had read that the slow and low of a balloon was an advantage. But, can they control the flight path, or are the balloons subject to the jet stream path?
The desired effect is psychological... and it's working.
Ding!.Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Our air force is scrapping it's planes and drones for balloons as we speak.
Yep, and word around the campfire is that we'll be gluing Go Pros to box turtles and dropping them into North Korea. |
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Location: Brighton CO. | Ranger - 2/17/2023 7:18 PM
ToddM - 2/16/2023 5:16 AM
miket55 - 2/14/2023 9:48 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 5:02 PM
RobertK - 2/14/2023 3:49 PM
North of 8 - 2/14/2023 10:23 AM
Thing I wonder about is why balloons when every nation, just about, has spy satellites?
I can think of three reasons.
1 ) Satellites aren't very good at gathering signals intelligence near the ground. Listening to what military communications say when they spot things on radar is potentially valuable. Preliminary reports indicate signals intelligence capability within the Chinese balloon's payload.
2 ) If you put the same imaging technology on a balloon at 64000 feet as you have on a satellite in low Earth orbit (about 6400000 feet ), you can see more detail. To reframe this, you can use imaging tech with 1/100 the resolution on a balloon compared to a satellite (ie it is much cheaper ).
3 ) Balloons can loiter over areas of interest practically indefinitely. Satellites in low Earth orbit are hustling along at about 15000mph.
Just a few ideas...
Some good suggestions. I had read that the slow and low of a balloon was an advantage. But, can they control the flight path, or are the balloons subject to the jet stream path?
The desired effect is psychological... and it's working.
Ding!.Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Our air force is scrapping it's planes and drones for balloons as we speak.
Yep, and word around the campfire is that we'll be gluing Go Pros to box turtles and dropping them into North Korea.
How to live like a hermit and starve your people. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | In North Korea, it's, "Box turtles: the only white meat." m |
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| Stop shooting down HAM radio ballons, lol. |
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| Cost of hobby weather balloon + supplies: $100
Cost of military intervention + supplies to eliminate said balloon: Probably close to $1 Million
Proving once and for all that our government is now the laughing stock of the planet: Priceless
And you KNOW this will lead to all sorts of ridiculous laws and permits and such for launching weather balloons. In the meantime, hundreds or even thousands of folks are going to run out and buy a weather balloon just to see if the Air Force will intercept it and shoot it down. I can see my younger self doing exactly that. |
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| esoxaddict - 2/22/2023 12:25 PM
Cost of hobby weather balloon + supplies: $100
Cost of military intervention + supplies to eliminate said balloon: Probably close to $1 Million
Proving once and for all that our government is now the laughing stock of the planet: Priceless
And you KNOW this will lead to all sorts of ridiculous laws and permits and such for launching weather balloons. In the meantime, hundreds or even thousands of folks are going to run out and buy a weather balloon just to see if the Air Force will intercept it and shoot it down. I can see my younger self doing exactly that.
Doesn't the FAA already require the balloons to carry transponders ? Then again there's plenty of folks who don't obey laws so just add this to the list. At the very least, it will keep the supply of sidewinder missiles fresh... |
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