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| Wow. That walleye tournament ohio
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Location: Madison, WI | Scumbags |
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Location: NW WI | Pretty impressive how civil everyone was though. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Crazy videos. These guys have scammed up hundreds of thousands of dollars, looks like. They are going to need a good attorney. |
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Location: oswego, il | There are plenty of good people in this sport being overshadowed by all the arsholes.
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| Lawyers are going to be busy. Past tournament second place teams will be getting calls from attorneys anxious to sue. |
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Location: Duluth | Absolutely nuts. Money and fishin....things get funny fast |
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Location: Northern Illinois | The thing that strikes me the most is that it is a mixture of sport/craft and theft/fraud. I could see one or the other, but not the two together. These guys have to love the sport and the craft - don't they? So how could they mix theft/fraud in with it?
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| mm3 - 10/2/2022 6:19 PM
The thing that strikes me the most is that it is a mixture of sport/craft, and theft/fraud. I could see one or the other, but not the two together. These guys have to love the sport and the craft - don't they? So how could they mix theft/fraud in with it?
That's easy, MONEY
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Location: Ludington, MI | They will need two attorneys. The first one to roll will implicate the second in conspiracy to do this in multiple states, which will bring federal charges. Then they'll need civil attorneys after that, probably. |
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| tundrawalker00 - 10/2/2022 7:21 PM
They will need two attorneys. The first one to roll will implicate the second in conspiracy to do this in multiple states, which will bring federal charges. Then they'll need civil attorneys after that, probably.
If one rolls, then maybe fed charges. But, absent a statement of guilt, I doubt the feds will take. If they keep their mouths shut, damage will be limited to this one tournament. Still could face criminal charges though. |
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| mm3 - 10/2/2022 6:19 PM
The thing that strikes me the most is that it is a mixture of sport/craft and theft/fraud. I could see one or the other, but not the two together. These guys have to love the sport and the craft - don't they? So how could they mix theft/fraud in with it?
Just displaying their moral character. |
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Location: E. Tenn | There was a bass guy out west who was tearing up the circuit for a couple years... only issue was he couldn't catch $*it if there was somebody different in the boat..
Karma smacked him pretty hard too..
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Location: Brighton CO. | miket55 - 10/2/2022 8:56 PM
There was a bass guy out west who was tearing up the circuit for a couple years... only issue was he couldn't catch $*it if there was somebody different in the boat..
Karma smacked him pretty hard too.. I think they figured out he was snagging them.
Witch is a no go.
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Location: Northern Illinois | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwjiO1MCVs |
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Location: WI | Forcing weights down a fish’s throat and peeing matches over technology. 2022 makes tournament fishing sound fun.
Edited by raftman 10/3/2022 9:05 AM
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| The one tournament I have watched bits of that seems very straight forward is the Major League Fishing bass tournament. Judge in every boat and a camera man. Fish weighed immediately. Even a time penalty if the fish comes unhooked and hits the deck or if angler is too rough in handling. Obviously, a big money endeavor for elite anglers but don't see any way to game that system.
Cheating has been going on since tournaments for money have been going on. Remember back in the 70s, a guide in the Eagle River/Three Lakes area allegedly came up with a scam where he would pre-fish and if he caught a musky, would take it to a bay, run wire through its jaw and attach the wire to a cinder block. He would then return during tournament and pick the fish up with the net like he was catching it. Quick cut with a side cutter and he had the fish. |
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Location: oswego, il | It makes you wonder how many tournaments were won or participants improved their position by adding weight to fish in any weight tournament. These guys added too much weight but I would be willing to bet there are some who know just how much to add and not make it suspicious. |
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Location: Ludington, MI | Imagine you're one of these two guys and you've stooped to this together. How much do you trust the other not to roll and point at you? I mean, I trust my fishing partner but do I trust him with my earnings for the last three years and my freedom for the next five years? What's the saying about honor among thieves? |
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| ToddM - 10/3/2022 10:46 AM
It makes you wonder how many tournaments were won or participants improved their position by adding weight to fish in any weight tournament. These guys added too much weight but I would be willing to bet there are some who know just how much to add and not make it suspicious.
It certainly was not a spur of the moment, impulse kind of thing. The director said they wrapped those 12oz sinkers in filets, so they didn't clack together and raise suspicion. I had wondered why they stuffed filets in, thinking that did not add a lot of weight, but made sense after reading his comment. |
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| They almost cant face any penalty from past tournaments, can they? How would there be any proof that they cheated in that specific tournament? |
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Location: E. Tenn | chuckski - 10/2/2022 10:00 PM
miket55 - 10/2/2022 8:56 PM
There was a bass guy out west who was tearing up the circuit for a couple years... only issue was he couldn't catch $*it if there was somebody different in the boat..
Karma smacked him pretty hard too.. I think they figured out he was snagging them.
Witch is a no go.
That story:
https://www.themeateater.com/fish/bass/big-bass-legend-mike-long-exp... |
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| jvlast15 - 10/3/2022 11:38 AM
They almost cant face any penalty from past tournaments, can they? How would there be any proof that they cheated in that specific tournament?
I don't see how they could, at least as far as criminal. Maybe a fellow competitor could file a civil suit, but seems like that would be a long shot, unless one of them has said something to someone else. If they keep their mouths shut, don't know how anyone could prove past events were won through fraud. |
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Location: oswego, il | The memes being created over this are hilarious. One is a boy band with the cheaters, the bass guy mentioned above and a recent to notoriety musky guy heads transposed.
Cheating goes everywhere there is a way to be best at it. In business especially. Being a racing fan I watch the Dale Jr. Download and he gets right into the cheating that's gone on in Nascar with his guests and he gets them to tell it. There's been drivers who've crashed in late model competition bad enough that the mercury in the frame rails spilled out. Bio hazard!
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Location: Chardon, Ohio | The tournament Director said one of the things that was suspicious was this was the only group that did not want to donate their catch to the local food bank. |
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| Cover Dog - 10/3/2022 6:14 PM
The tournament Director said one of the things that was suspicious was this was the only group that did not want to donate their catch to the local food bank.
A sports writer from that area did a lengthy story and he pointed out that the team had already lost an expensive Ranger boat they were supposed to have won from a previous tournament because one failed the polygraph. Lawsuit had been filed to try and get it back.
He also wrote that some speculated that the reason the team had refused to donate their fish after tournaments was that the fish had been caught prior and "stashed", so were not fresh and fit for consumption. Sounds like they had more scams going than just stuffing weights down the gullet. |
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Location: WI | Do these tournaments have an option to release the fish? Seems unnecessary to harvest fish with the technology available today. |
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| They will have to either start x-raying fish or pass the fish through a metal detector  Reminds me of Tom Brady and Brady-Gate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFnByQCDjz0&t=18s&ab_channel=KBBOutd...
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| raftman - 10/4/2022 9:11 AM
Do these tournaments have an option to release the fish? Seems unnecessary to harvest fish with the technology available today.
Good question. I know that years ago, the Walleye Weekend tournament on Lake Winnebago, sponsored by Mercury, had a big holding tank for the fish brought in live and I think they used a pontoon to take them back out into the lake. But I don't think there was any penalty for fish not surviving. And those that were not alive were donated to food pantry.
Couldn't believe that in the posted youtube video and comments they said up to 8lbs of weight in a fish. That had to look incredibly suspicious to experienced fishermen. |
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