|
|
Posts: 51
|
WOW! This Pandemic is really hurting the Vendors of Muskie Shows.
Will Miss going.  |
|
| |
|
Posts: 3147
| Ice fishing season and tackle sales will be incredible in a long boring winter.
Edited by happy hooker 10/19/2020 4:46 PM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 383
Location: SW Ohio | Why cancel so early? Seems like there is plenty of time to get things worked out. But, maybe it’s better for the vendors to find other outlets instead of getting cancelled at the last minute.
Edited by OH Musky 10/19/2020 5:43 PM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 3480
Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
This makes perfect sense to me. Even though the shows are around 2 months out or so, putting that many people in a limited space is not smart by any means, and it would go against most group size limitations as stated by executive order within the states where the shows are held.
Add to that the venue has to have a good enough filtration system to remove and replace the air efficiently and effectively. Then, tie on the fact of how many lures, equipment, doors, etc. that get touched by both vendors and patrons attending the show, in my humble opinion this would be considered a very dangerous pandemic related situation. I would highly doubt the venue owners would even consider putting themselves on the line risking peoples lives.
It's just not smart to hold them... There is no guarantee of a vaccine, and even if there was, it does not guarantee everyone there has taken it, nor would we know whether or not the longevity of the vaccine would carry that long... We just don't know enough to entertain the idea let alone make it safe for everyone there...
I'm starting to feel we in the USA will not be visiting Canada yet next year as we continue to try and grapple with how to slow the spread...
Steve
Edited by VMS 10/19/2020 6:23 PM
|
|
| |
|
| OH Musky - 10/19/2020 5:42 PM
Why cancel so early? Seems like there is plenty of time to get things worked out. But, maybe it’s better for the vendors to find other outlets instead of getting cancelled at the last minute.
Lot of events have already been cancelled for first quarter next year. I was surprised that the U.P. 200 Dog Sled race, which starts in Marquette MI, held in February, has already been canceled. It is of course outside but the organizers were concerned about the spectators which can be four or five deep for a couple blocks at the start of the race. If health authorities are right, some of the worst is still to come, with people inside and complications from flu season. The 1918 flu epidemic actually lasted into 1920. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 8781
| I'm in the event business. Or, ok... I WAS until the pandemic hit. Best case scenario is a year out for any sort of conferences, trade shows, concerts, etc. to start happening again. Safe to say there will be no muskie show season this year. IF they develop a vaccine, IF it is effective, IF everyone gets said vaccine, and IF said vaccine prevents COVID infection for any length of time before it mutates, we might see muskie shows coming back for 2022.
This isn't just safety related. There is a ton of pre-production and a ton of money that has to be spent long before any sort of trade show actually opens their doors. It's not worth it to even try to put it together 90 days out when it's pretty much a guarantee that the show ain't gonna happen, and even if it did, attendance wouldn't be enough to cover the cost.
My hope is that all the vendors spend the next year building some really cool #*#* so when (if) the shows come back in 2022, there will be an exhibit hall full of innovation, quality, and time tested product instead of the flash-in-the-pan crap that finds its way to the swap meet tables after one season. |
|
| |
|
| esoxaddict - 10/19/2020 9:09 PM
I'm in the event business. Or, ok... I WAS until the pandemic hit. Best case scenario is a year out for any sort of conferences, trade shows, concerts, etc. to start happening again. Safe to say there will be no muskie show season this year. IF they develop a vaccine, IF it is effective, IF everyone gets said vaccine, and IF said vaccine prevents COVID infection for any length of time before it mutates, we might see muskie shows coming back for 2022.
This isn't just safety related. There is a ton of pre-production and a ton of money that has to be spent long before any sort of trade show actually opens their doors. It's not worth it to even try to put it together 90 days out when it's pretty much a guarantee that the show ain't gonna happen, and even if it did, attendance wouldn't be enough to cover the cost.
My hope is that all the vendors spend the next year building some really cool #*#* so when (if) the shows come back in 2022, there will be an exhibit hall full of innovation, quality, and time tested product instead of the flash-in-the-pan crap that finds its way to the swap meet tables after one season.
I am still hoping that the Milwaukee Irish Fest will be a go in August of 2021, but that may well be wishful thinking. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 791
Location: North Central IL USA | North of 8 - 10/19/2020 6:34 PM
The 1918 flu epidemic actually lasted into 1920.
All indications are that this one will last 2 years as well.
Kind of amazing that with 100 years of medical advancement a natural occurring virus can do the same thing it did back then.... |
|
| |
|
Posts: 69
Location: Royalton, MN | gregk9 - 10/19/2020 11:40 PM
North of 8 - 10/19/2020 6:34 PM
The 1918 flu epidemic actually lasted into 1920.
All indications are that this one will last 2 years as well.
Kind of amazing that with 100 years of medical advancement a natural occurring virus can do the same thing it did back then....
People have to actually follow the scientific community's recommendations on masks, testing, hygiene, small groups, distancing, contact tracing, vaccines, etc for them to have an effect. Of course we have great treatments for those who do get sick, but doing nothing in 2020 is not a lot different than doing nothing in 1920 as far as disease prevention is concerned.
Edited by BassThumb 10/20/2020 7:06 AM
|
|
| |
|
| BassThumb - 10/20/2020 6:49 AM
gregk9 - 10/19/2020 11:40 PM
North of 8 - 10/19/2020 6:34 PM
The 1918 flu epidemic actually lasted into 1920.
All indications are that this one will last 2 years as well.
Kind of amazing that with 100 years of medical advancement a natural occurring virus can do the same thing it did back then....
People have to actually follow the scientific community's recommendations on masks, testing, hygiene, small groups, distancing, contact tracing, vaccines, etc for them to have an effect. Of course we have great treatments for those who do get sick, but doing nothing in 2020 is not a lot different than doing nothing in 1920 as far as disease prevention is concerned.
Saw an interesting photo from back in the flu epidemic, major league ball players were wearing masks at the plate. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 390
| All the interventions in the world won't help if no one follows it. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32886
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | We collectively made the right choice cancelling based upon The Muskie Expos requirement of holding a show that is a big plus for the attendees and vendors. A lot of thought and research went into the decision. When we hit the wall of not being able to guarantee a positive experience all the way around, it was a lock. See you at Chicago and Milwaukee in 2022!
https://www.outdoorsfirst.com/muskie/article/muskie-expo-chicago-and... |
|
| |
|
Posts: 791
Location: North Central IL USA | BassThumb - 10/20/2020 6:49 AM
gregk9 - 10/19/2020 11:40 PM
North of 8 - 10/19/2020 6:34 PM
The 1918 flu epidemic actually lasted into 1920.
All indications are that this one will last 2 years as well.
Kind of amazing that with 100 years of medical advancement a natural occurring virus can do the same thing it did back then....
People have to actually follow the scientific community's recommendations on masks, testing, hygiene, small groups, distancing, contact tracing, vaccines, etc for them to have an effect. Of course we have great treatments for those who do get sick, but doing nothing in 2020 is not a lot different than doing nothing in 1920 as far as disease prevention is concerned.
I'm not talking about running from it. Hiding from it. Trying to avoid it. I'm talkin' hitting it head on - effective treatments. No progress made in 100 years. Amazing! |
|
| |
|
| gregk9 - 10/21/2020 12:04 AM
BassThumb - 10/20/2020 6:49 AM
gregk9 - 10/19/2020 11:40 PM
North of 8 - 10/19/2020 6:34 PM
The 1918 flu epidemic actually lasted into 1920.
All indications are that this one will last 2 years as well.
Kind of amazing that with 100 years of medical advancement a natural occurring virus can do the same thing it did back then....
People have to actually follow the scientific community's recommendations on masks, testing, hygiene, small groups, distancing, contact tracing, vaccines, etc for them to have an effect. Of course we have great treatments for those who do get sick, but doing nothing in 2020 is not a lot different than doing nothing in 1920 as far as disease prevention is concerned.
I'm not talking about running from it. Hiding from it. Trying to avoid it. I'm talkin' hitting it head on - effective treatments. No progress made in 100 years. Amazing!
There are no miracle drugs, but just in the last 6 months the nation has made great strides in treating patients. Several of my nieces work in health care in hospital settings as RNs and therapists. They say that hospitals/doctors have made big strides in treatment. Testing has also come a long ways in a relatively short time. The biggest obstacle is a refusal on the part of many people to accept the threat as real and change their behavior. Look at NY where a Hasidic community threatened to sue the governor because he banned a wedding that would have had up to 10,000 in person attendees. Brown County is one of the worst in WI and the head of a large medical center there said a big part of it is Packer parties in people's homes with 20 to 50 people. A Green Bay wedding with 320 guests at a conventional reception/dinner. The county health department is so overwhelmed, they can't keep up with contact tracing and has asked people to do their own contact tracing. Medicine can't fix stupid. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 69
Location: Royalton, MN | North of 8 - 10/21/2020 7:21 AM
...work in health care in hospital settings as RNs. They say that hospitals/doctors have made big strides in treatment. Testing has also come a long ways in a relatively short time. The biggest obstacle is a refusal on the part of many people to accept the threat as real and change their behavior. Medicine can't fix stupid.
That's my profession. I can't say I agree with your nieces assessments, although hospital staff are doing the best they can.
They treat Covid-19 the same way as a severe ARDS patient with the addition of Remdesivir and Decadron. National studies are now just recently suggesting the Remdesivir may not have any effect at all, and the Decadron is only slightly effective in slightly lowering mortality rates in the most severe cases. There is no treatment for mild to moderate cases. There is no known treatment/available that prevents you from getting very sick, only treatments that may help you after the fact once you're already in very bad shape.
I would argue that testing is still lacking. It takes either 24 hours for the rapid test, or 2-4 days for the more common, slower test. A lot of spread can happen in 2-4 days. The 24-hour test is tightly rationed due to a lack of supply. There was a period of time in June/July that lack of testing reagents badly slowed all testing for months.
PPE is still an issue. N95s worn for 5 days. Not gowning for other infectious diseases so we can save them for Covid patients. Hospitals are still rationing equipment, respiratory supplies, etc. Vents are one broken, unavailable $10 part away from being completely useless.
Lots going on behind the scenes. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 20218
Location: oswego, il | I know someone who was exposed to it it vilas. He was with several people who did get it up there and was exposed with them. He got Lucky. He told me they were in a very popular well known place that was packed and no one wearing a mask. I can't imagine a musky show would be much different.
Edited by ToddM 10/21/2020 9:47 AM
|
|
| |
|
| ToddM - 10/21/2020 9:44 AM
I know someone who was exposed to it it vilas. He was with several people who did get it up there and was exposed with them. He got Lucky. He told me they were in a very popular well known place that was packed and no one wearing a mask. I can't imagine a musky show would be much different.
Oneida County went over 1,000 cases today. A month ago we were around 200. Bars are packed for Packer games. The YMCA I belong to finally had to post signs in the free weight area saying that if people continue to ignore their guidelines on mask wearing, they will close it. That helped. You are supposed to wear a mask when not actually lifting and folks had gotten very lax. Would love to know what they are spending on those buckets of sanitizing wipes we use to wipe down machines, weights, hands. People are pretty good about that. I just wish it didn't make your hands so slippery. Sometimes feel like I am going to drop a dumbbell mid rep.
Edited by North of 8 10/21/2020 10:30 AM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 552
Location: WI | It’s everywhere. My brother got it teaching at a technical college. Brother-in-law’s family got from sick people waiting on there covid test results coming over to look at puppies. A bunch of extended family on my wife’s side have it from a bday party for a symptomatic kid. Not sure custom show colors are worth the exposure risk. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1141
Location: NorthCentral WI | Current Oneida County stats show they are NOT overwhelmed! The cases are up because testing is up, big deal. A new article I read this morning says this is going to be around forever like the seasonal flu. It can't be eradicated! I am responsible for tracking employees and contact where I work and currently we have had 10 positive cases out of over 80 employees that have been tested. All but one employee had little to no symptoms. So over it! The only thing overwhelming is the number of people rushing in to be tested because someone else they know tested positive. Again, most of these people running to get tested have no symptoms whatsoever.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/covid-19-likely-to-become-as-endemic...
Edited by MartinTD 10/21/2020 10:48 AM
Attachments
----------------
 Oneida County 2.jpg (57KB - 366 downloads)
Oneida County 1.jpg (112KB - 384 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 32886
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The shows were not cancelled 'only because' of the risk of virus spread or whether or not folks would take required precautions. It is currently impossible to provide a positive experience for the vendors and attendees as it is likely attendance would be limited by allowed number of people on the floor and in each booth, estimations of avoidance by the public were high so attendance was a big question mark to begin with, no venue would guarantee we could move forward at all, a number of vendors had no plans to attend this year, no dates later in Spring 2021 were available, and last, it was unclear when a vaccine would be available to everyone. Simply too much uncertainty to ask vendors to deal with. |
|
| |
|
| MartinTD - 10/21/2020 10:39 AM
Current Oneida County stats show they are NOT overwhelmed! The cases are up because testing is up, big deal. A new article I read this morning says this is going to be around forever like the seasonal flu. It can't be eradicated! I am responsible for tracking employees and contact where I work and currently we have had 10 positive cases out of over 80 employees that have been tested. All but one employee had little to no symptoms. So over it! The only thing overwhelming is the number of people rushing in to be tested because someone else they know tested positive. Again, most of these people running to get tested have no symptoms whatsoever.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/covid-19-likely-to-become-as-endemic...
Never said Oneida county was overwhelmed. Said the county went over a 1,000 cases today. See the difference? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1141
Location: NorthCentral WI | North of 8 - 10/21/2020 11:09 AM
MartinTD - 10/21/2020 10:39 AM
Current Oneida County stats show they are NOT overwhelmed! The cases are up because testing is up, big deal. A new article I read this morning says this is going to be around forever like the seasonal flu. It can't be eradicated! I am responsible for tracking employees and contact where I work and currently we have had 10 positive cases out of over 80 employees that have been tested. All but one employee had little to no symptoms. So over it! The only thing overwhelming is the number of people rushing in to be tested because someone else they know tested positive. Again, most of these people running to get tested have no symptoms whatsoever.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/covid-19-likely-to-become-as-endemic...
Never said Oneida county was overwhelmed. Said the county went over a 1,000 cases today. See the difference?
I understand that. And over half of those 1000 people have already recovered. I was just stating that the only reason hospitals are overwhelmed right now is because the hoards of people running in to get tested. Not actually due to people being hospitalized or in the ICU. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1141
Location: NorthCentral WI | Without taking a side on the issue or making it political I think everyone can agree that we are living in a sad time right now. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 4080
Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I have to get tested 1 day before another Heart procedure, so yes, they can get fast results if they want to.
Covid test and MRI on Nov. 2
Heart procedure on Nov. 3.
It's a shame that some people have made this into a political hot topic.
Wear a "clean" mask if you can't social distance. Clean your hands once in a while.
Quit blaming others for 210,000 deaths.
I would be fine going to a Muskie Show....Especially for those COOL Show Colors !
This too shall pass.
Edited by Top H2O 10/21/2020 12:07 PM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 390
| Plain and simple, as cool as custom lures are they are not worth risking lives. Shop online or go next year. It is not like the muskies care anyway |
|
| |
|
![](<a href="http://flmnetwork.com/content/generators/skinny-sig-generator/">")
Posts: 485
Location: On my favorite lake! | I was involved Pandemic/bioterrorism planning previously. Many of the doctors and Regional coordinators I worked with believe this is not a natural occurring virus. We shot ourselves in the foot a while ago for this one. The federal grants were cut repeatedly a good while back. When H1N1 hit the National stockpiles were depleted and not replenished with masks and many other types of equipment. There were shortages then of masks for approx. 6-7 months during H1N1 and that was only in a few countries. It should have been a major wake up point but wasn't. The Federal grants to prepare for this constantly changed HRSA , ASPR and then Homeland Security. I was involved in practice regional drills 8+ years ago and the far majority in most communities were fails. The question was always not a matter of if but when a pandemic was going to hit. Hopefully something will be learned from this time because this will happen again sometime in the future. Make sure you stay on your State Representatives and Senators to fund this type of planning.
Edited by Lightning 10/21/2020 4:03 PM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 4269
Location: Ashland WI | I am wondering what has changed since the spring. The number of positive cases is way up, yet the number of deaths is down?
Anyone have any input on that? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 390
| Lightning, I am a doctor and researcher, there is no conclusive evidence to even suggest this was a manipulated virus. All evidence points to bats are its species origin, I know it is not exciting, but it came from bats. I interact with many, many doctors and scientists, none I work with believe this to be man made, none.
I agree with most of your other points though. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1276
| Infectious disease experts were warning of something like this over a decade ago. This is our practice plague. Flu morbidity is around .1%, this Carona Cov2 might be about 1%. Imagine the next one has a morbidity rate similar to small pox, of around 30%. Do the math. Either we learn, or we don't. |
|
| |
|
| 14ledo81 - 10/21/2020 4:02 PM
I am wondering what has changed since the spring. The number of positive cases is way up, yet the number of deaths is down?
Anyone have any input on that?
Don't know on nationwide basis but I have read where on WI the average age of those getting the virus was younger than earlier in the pandemic. That supposedly leads to lower mortality |
|
| |
