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| So I always wanted to ask this question. Should a guide on a guided trip be fishing with you or not? I know there are guides on this forum monitoring the conversations people have, and I want you to know that this is nothing against you. This is just me asking a question. About eight years ago I was on a guided trip with a buddy of mine in southern Illinois. We come to our fist spot of the day and the guide gives us the rod with some crank baits and then he starts to fish. We ended up seeing 2 fish and had one follow between the two of us. The guide caught 4 fish and had numerous follows that day. Two years ago I had a guided trip down in Florida going after king mackerel and the guide never looked at the rod. All he was doing is talking to us and positioning the boat to get on a good bite.
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Location: Contrarian Island | for musky fishing, yes, from the back or last bait thru... more baits in the water will help figure out what baits might be working best to get the hits. once that is figured out the clients should be using those baits.. if that guide caught 4 and he had you throwing a different style of bait he's not a very good guide  |
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| Personally I generally let the customer decide if I fish, especially if casting at targets. If they want me to fish I’d never get the first cast into any spot. If just fan casting the open lake with no specific target or drifting the river vertical jigging, 99% of my clients want me to have a rod in too. It gives them confidence. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Personally, I want the guide fishing. Like has been said, more baits in the water helps figure things out.
That being said, if he is keeping the "hot" bait to himself, and his lure is in the water before yours every spot, he is not doing a very good job IMO. |
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Location: On my favorite lake! | Depends on the guide. They should definitely ask you or explain what they hope to accomplish by fishing. Some guides can fish and instruct and some guides can’t. The job is to put you on the fish.
Some guides are not guides but simply fisherman that want $ to pay for their trip. It’s best to ask around before booking when possible , so the experience is good. |
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| I do agree with the more baits in the water the better the chances to figure things out. With that being said, Yes that guy was not that good and I don't think he guides anymore in that area.. Personally I don't care if they fish or not as long as they are sharing their knowledge. Guides are no magicians they cant make a fish bite, and I have been on plenty of guided trips where no one caught anything but what we learned from that day helped us during the course of the trip to get on some fish... |
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Location: Brighton CO. | yes as long as I get first water! |
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| Have only been on one guided trip and while I encouraged the guide to fish, show us the techniques he like to use, he said he preferred to coach and keep the boat positioned. It was a nice day but pretty good breeze and he was very fussy about having the boat positioned just so. Also, he had a guide trip that morning with a friend of mine and fished about half the time so maybe he was content to just coach, watch, run the boat. I had never used a Bobbie bait and he suggested I use that. We had a good laugh when he was going to demonstrate and realized I was using my left handed reel. He cast the lure and then said "Where's the handle?" But he did show me how he liked to work the bait. |
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| Depends on why you hired him in the 1st place and if he delivered on those expectations IMO... I can see how if you bought this trip to get trophy pics and end up with nada and the guy caught 4 in your face could be quite frustrating, especially if he just handed you a rod, reel and lure to figure the rest out for yourself.
Personally, if I were to ever hire a Muskie guide, I'd ask him to save the hassle of getting his boat out and instead ask him to meet me in a coffee shop where I'd wait for him with a map of his lake, a notebook and tons of questions about where he planned to take me that day and why.
The true value of a guide is what you learned from the trip, not what you get to post on facebook afterwards IMO
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| Musky fishing YES i want that guide fishing. I have only been guided once for musky and my guide fished along with me. One it was a mandatory thing for me. I didn't want a guide/guided experience. Just wanted to guys enjoying the day fishing and BSing. He was able to show me many different techniques including boat control and reading the side scan which I had just put on my boat the week before. He was on the phone here and there talking with other guides about what they were using and seeing. It was a great experience and the only fish we saw was on the graph. It was a high sky day and windy as all get out. He even tried to refund me $100. I said no and gave him another $100 as a tip. |
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| MKevin - 6/25/2020 2:21 PM
Depends on why you hired him in the 1st place and if he delivered on those expectations IMO... I can see how if you bought this trip to get trophy pics and end up with nada and the guy caught 4 in your face could be quite frustrating, especially if he just handed you a rod, reel and lure to figure the rest out for yourself.
Personally, if I were to ever hire a Muskie guide, I'd ask him to save the hassle of getting his boat out and instead ask him to meet me in a coffee shop where I'd wait for him with a map of his lake, a notebook and tons of questions about where he planned to take me that day and why.
The true value of a guide is what you learned from the trip, not what you get to post on facebook afterwards IMO
I'm with you 100%.. I like your approach about meeting up before and going over the game plan. |
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Location: Loves Park | I personally want the guide fishing. I agree more baits in the water will help figure out a pattern faster. But also its nice to pay attention to the guides way of fishing. Certain ways he may work a bait, angle he may go into a figure 8, speed he is reeling, and so on..A lot can be learned visually. |
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Location: oswego, il | Some guides fish in the back, some take the front some don't fish at all. It's up to you to know what you want and hire the appropriate guide. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | If you want to learn techniques then yeah he should fish from the back. If you’re experienced and just want him to put you on fish, then no he should just drive the boat. Unless it’s just the two of you. That would be boring being the only guy casting. If he doesn’t know the pattern already he might not be the best guide for the job.
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Location: Tulsa, OK | If I was to hire a guide, I would want him to fish. There is a lot to learn watching someone fish that has had success on a lake. You can learn different techniques and maybe how to work baits you use a little differently. |
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| Nope!! I didn't hire him to "compete" with during the day. I want him to position the boat, pick my baits, watch my technique and suggest improvements that will benefit my presentations. I am willing to be shown a different retrieve that he may suggest but after the SHORT lesson he needs to put the rod down. I paying for knowledge not demonstrations of his ability.
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| Howdy,
I'm a NO on this one. While I have experienced both, my preference is the guide NOT fish.
Take care,
Ruddiger |
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| Generally I’d be fine with the guide casting, but when I hear a GB guide say “we marked one on side imagining, so I told him to make a cast in this direction... the fish didn’t follow on his cast so I made a cast at it and we stuck a giant”
That rubs me the wrong way. Hell, the guy paid $400, give him at least 10 casts at it before you start bombing casts at a fish U know exactly where it’s sitting. |
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| I think the guide should always ask. I know that isn't always the case. I don't mind if they're casting from the back, but I'm not paying good money for one to throw from the front of the boat. |
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| Jbo - 7/1/2020 8:15 PM
Generally I’d be fine with the guide casting, but when I hear a GB guide say “we marked one on side imagining, so I told him to make a cast in this direction... the fish didn’t follow on his cast so I made a cast at it and we stuck a giant”
That rubs me the wrong way. Hell, the guy paid $400, give him at least 10 casts at it before you start bombing casts at a fish U know exactly where it’s sitting.
I was going to hire a guide in the GB area early summer but after I saw that some are asking $900 for a days trip.. Soon muskie guides will make more money then off shore guides going after Marlins etc.. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | badkemo - 7/6/2020 11:12 AM
Jbo - 7/1/2020 8:15 PM
Generally I’d be fine with the guide casting, but when I hear a GB guide say “we marked one on side imagining, so I told him to make a cast in this direction... the fish didn’t follow on his cast so I made a cast at it and we stuck a giant”
That rubs me the wrong way. Hell, the guy paid $400, give him at least 10 casts at it before you start bombing casts at a fish U know exactly where it’s sitting.
I was going to hire a guide in the GB area early summer but after I saw that some are asking $900 for a days trip.. Soon muskie guides will make more money then off shore guides going after Marlins etc..
Anything for a 50 incher! I agree about marking one on SI and not giving the client the proper chance to catch it. Under no condition should a guide cast at a known location of a fish. The client should catch it, or no one should. |
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| I have never fished with a guide muskie fishing but I would want him to fish. As long as he is putting the customers success first. If I am doing fine and not needing extra help and hes just controlling the boat, why wouldn't I want an extra line in the water? He should be throwing something different. Maybe he stumbles into a subtle difference in the pattern. If so, he should give that bait to the customer and teach him what he is doing. If hes in the back fishing water you already casted, hes not taking anything from you. If he catches one, it just adds excitement to the day and I would think help boost confidence.
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Location: Roscoe IL | I'm also one that likes the guide to fish. I also like it when people don't crash into the boat when heading to lake #2 with the guide.
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Location: Duluth | keel guard doesn't help there. Jeez.
I don't mind the guide fishing, but I would certainly have some words if the SI incident happened to me. |
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| Mike Lazarus had an interesting take on this on The Backlash Podcast |
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| medy - 7/8/2020 9:37 AM
Mike Lazarus had an interesting take on this on The Backlash Podcast
What did he say? |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Lester Neigard - 7/8/2020 11:16 AM
medy - 7/8/2020 9:37 AM
Mike Lazarus had an interesting take on this on The Backlash Podcast
What did he say?
I would listen if you get an hour or so. Very good. He doesn’t fish when guiding at all but he drives from the front of the boat. He feels he had better boat control and helps his clients better from there. |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wisconsin | When I guided I never fished. I felt my boat control was better and I could better instruct while standing in the middle of the boat watching. Most clients were surprised I didn't fish and often would ask me to fish. I just felt I could do a better job getting them on fish by not fishing. It also gave my arms and wrists a break and I had more time to look around and see how beautiful the lake was. |
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Location: oswego, il | Kirby Budrow - 7/8/2020 12:01 PM
Lester Neigard - 7/8/2020 11:16 AM
medy - 7/8/2020 9:37 AM
Mike Lazarus had an interesting take on this on The Backlash Podcast
What did he say?
I would listen if you get an hour or so. Very good. He doesn’t fish when guiding at all but he drives from the front of the boat. He feels he had better boat control and helps his clients better from there.
There is some great musky podcasting out there. Musky Road Rules, Backlash, UglyPike, Musky 360. Lazarus shared some great information and perspective. |
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| He essentially says that his job is to manage the guys that he is guiding, it is not his job to catch fish. He doesn't fish when he guides. To paraphrase, he said his job as the guide is to focus on boat control so that the clients opportunities aren't wasted, to make sure he is fishing the best water/spots for the time and conditions. |
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