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| Enough people already know.... here it goes It is going to happen in 2004. The MN Musky Championship Trail. I will update MuskieFIRST.com as soon as the permit process is completed. The trail will consist of 5 separate 1-day qualifiers spread through out the 2004 season. Qualifier and Championship entry fees will be $200.00 per team plus a $10.00 resource donation fee. Limited to 60 teams per qualifying tournament. The trail will finish up with the top 50 teams meeting at the 2004 Minnesota Musky Championship in late October. This will be a total release NON TRANSPORT tournament trail. For more information point your browser to MuskieFIRST.com and we'll announce more information soon! Contact the MMCT at [email protected]
Edited by Fish It 11/17/2003 8:46 AM
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Location: Brainerd Area | where do i sign up??????????????
Happy Hunting
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | what's the payout based on a full field? how many places down?
psst Duck......when you sign up, put me as your partner (hehe)
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| Sounds like fun. Let's hope the MN anglers grasp this like the Wisconsin anglers have the WMT. |
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| What's the payout? Why only 60 boats? All different lakes? One per month? On the water judge boats? Who is the organizer? Who is sponsoring this series? Anything else I can do to annoy you, oh Shady One?
May I make a suggestion? And girth into the mix, or have a big fish pot, by wieght. Not that my opinion counts, as I don't fish many tourneys in my home state! Good luck, and have fun with it.
Edited by Shep 11/17/2003 10:19 AM
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| Shep,
Annoy? Naw!
60 teams? We won't be fishing the Big lakes of MN rather the mid sized lakes that are spread across the state. The permit process is on going but the plan is for 6 different lakes in all different areas of the state.
These will be judge boat only tournaments. Transport of Muskies is against fishing regulations in MN and is generally frowned upon by most anglers.
As far as the organizer? I was elected the tournament director and I am partner in the ownership of the MMCT.
Sponsors will be announced soon!
As far as payouts are concerned....
Payouts*
Qualifiers
1st. $5000.00
2nd. $1000.00
3rd. $750.00
4th. 500.00
5th. $250.00
6th $100.00
7th. $100.00
8th. $100.00
9th. $100.00
10th. $100.00
$250.00 awarded to longest release.
Plus 5 x $100.00 drawings at Awards ceremony*
State Championship
1st. $10,000.00
2nd. $2,000.00
3rd. $1,500.00
4th. $750.00
5th. $500.00
6th. $500.00
7th. $250.00
8th. $200.00
9th. $150.00
10th. $100.00
$250.00 Longest release Sat.
$250.00 Longest release Sun.
Plus 5 x $100.00 drawings at Awards ceremony*
* all payouts listed are based on FULL FIELDS at all events.
I should state that the MMCT has NOT received any permits and sign ups will not be accepted until the permit process has been finalized.
Thanks for your questions! We should have the website up and operating soon that will spell out alot more details as they are finalized.
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | I hope to be able to fish these as well. Hope things work out and that the permits are all in place soon. |
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| i need lakes and dates pretty soon maybe I can squeez this trail in.thx bill ramsey |
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| MN does not issue tournament permits until Jan 2004.
So lakes will probably not be announced until then.
Although, maybe they can announce tentative dates !
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| That would be good vacation schedule will be pulled from work by then.thx 0723 |
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| Like the format of a one day deal,,especially for us Minn guys,,,show up and take your best shot then leave, No expenses has far has lodging is concerned, Hopefully time and money permit a couple for me,,,just for fun we should guess on the lakes,,,If their the mid size ones,,,Im guessing Bemidji,,,,Big Detroit/Miltona,,Cass,,Maybe Island,,Deer or Moose,,with a wild card possibly the St Croix,,,the championship in late October suggests Minnetonka has permits are sometimes hard to get in September |
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| I would like to see a Metro lake or two, but I highly doubt you will see Tonka, just because almost too big for 60 boats and judges and it's so tough to get a permit out there.
Any guesses on Metro lakes? Maybe Forest? How big is Inde or Waconia? |
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| Heheh the funny thing is that the Midge really doesn't know. The dates are totally up in the air. So are the locations. Securing a tournament permit in MN is a lengthy process. We're are worried about water temps and holding tournaments in the late part of July and early part of Aug. so no tournaments would be scheduled then anyways. The Muskies Inc. International (fundraiser) Tournament is the second weekend in Sept. and EVERYONE should fish that tournament so we could not conflict with it! The dates are again totally up in the air but we put in permit requests for the following dates: June 19th
July 10th
Aug. 14th
Aug. 21st
Oct. 2nd. And the Championship on Oct. 23rd.
Edited by Fish It 11/19/2003 11:34 PM
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| Good idea Hooks on Big Detroit. I never thought about that lake.
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
Big and Little Detroit together are under 3000 acres.
60 boats are to many for a lake that size, all accesses would be completely full just by the tournament rigs.
We have a 50 boat max. tournament on 5 lakes in the DL area in Sept.
With 30 of those usually on Detroit, and that is crowded when you throw in the other muskie, walleye and pleasureboaters.
Unless you want to promote a crowded fishing environment, I would pick bigger lakes or lessen the number of boats on a lake that small.
I would hope the DNR wouldn't even grant a permit for that many boats on that size of a lake.
JS
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| split it,,, 20 each on Miltona,west battle,Big Detroit,,,first people to sign up get to choose,dont know if that will work |
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Location: Minneapolis,Minnesota | Or they could do it like the Rollie & Helens Tourneys and pick a handfull of lakes in the area to fish? |
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| big and Little Detroit are 3083 acres. according to the DNR. You wouldn't even notice a muskie tournament on it with 60 boats. Unless your a non tournament muskie fisherman on that day.
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Location: Minneapolis,Minnesota | Didn't know any Minnesota lakes were a secret, but I agree, you wouldn't be that bad with 60 boats.
Now I say the tourney after that be on Eagle Lake in Hennepin Cty!!! |
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Location: Walker, MN | Why not consider some lakes that dont get pounded but really could be be fished more, Like Winnie or Island Lake in St. Louis county or the St. Lewis River in Duluth to name a few areas.
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| Dan, We gave that some thought actually. Winnie is just plain too big to have adequate judge boats. The same goes for Island... It's 1/10 the size of Winnie but has a ton of shoreline due to the ins & outs and the # of islands. Perhaps the river would be an option in the future though! PK, Isn't 60 boats the norm on Eagle? heheh no thanks no fish in that sewer anyways 
Edited by Fish It 11/20/2003 11:11 PM
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Location: Walker, MN | Hey how about just Pike Bay, lets find out whats really in that puddle!!
Edited by Dan Dean 11/20/2003 11:32 PM
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
If you go to a system like the Muskie Inc. clubs are doing, the size of the lake doesn't matter.
Give everyone a hat, and have them take a picture with a polaroid.
Fish must be held horizontaly, and hat must be in photo. It's on your honor to measure.
You can award big prizes for places that are lower than the top 3. For example, 5th and 10th get an extra $1000. That way you can still win big without cheating. Or have every team that enters just one fish in a drawing for a big prize.
Or put a judge in every boat.
Winnie would be an excellant choice over lakes that are already getting pounded every weekend all season long.
John Skarie
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | Come on John,
Just admit it, you just don't want anybody up there, fishing for YOUR muskies. 
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Maybe I'm nutty, but I personally wouldnt enter a money tourney that requires the "honor system" for measurements. I might just be a non-trusting, suspicous person.....but I wouldnt trust me to be on the honor system when money is on the line. |
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| John,
Why? What is it that is wrong with a judge boat tournament? Fish are penned up? Is that your issue? What would be the difference in leaving the fish in the net and removing hooks while the judge boat is on the way? Isn't any different than keeping the fish in a net, getting tools ready, maesuring board, hat and camera ready. With a judge boat the judges can have the measuring board ready and camera right there in a short amount of time. Having smaller lakes that make it MUCH easier for judge boats to get to the fish? The key to this is having enough judges boat with judges in them that KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! We are requiring ALL judges come to a pre tournament meeting and know the importance of being prepared. IN FACT I THINK A JUDGE BOAT TOURNAMENT CAN BE EASIER ON A FISH THAN A "ON YOUR HONOR".
That's also why the MMCT is trying to work with Muskies INC. and give something back to the resource by paying Judges and ALSO donating from our "Resource fund" to the Muskies inc. chapter that the judges are from.
I know of a movement by non tournament anglers that has been lobbying the DNR to out law judge boat tournaments and make it an on your honor system. If this happens it would also have to involve all other species of fish.
That would do a few things... #1 take away a ton of tourism and promotion to the MN fishery. Some might like that. SHHHHHHH! Let's be not specified.
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Create tournaments other ways of verifying fish...like MORE pictures, pictures on a measuring board, Video, more time out of the water...
I will volunteer to the DNR ALL of our 2004 tournaments to have EVERY fish tagged and a tracking device implanted and we can see the effect that judge boats have on the resource. Let me guess... That wouldn't work right? Or wait my guess is: "The DNR doesn't need to do a study on something like that" Then why does the regulations need to change?
My guess is that a small but well organized percentage of Musky anglers would like to keep tournaments away for purely personal reasons. SHOW ME ANY STUDY THAT SAYS MUSKIES ARE EFFECTED BY JUDGE BOATS VS. NORMAL MEASURING AND PHOTOGRAPHING!!!
Soon we'll make it so we can even fish for the damn things and they will be kept in private sanctuary's.... STOP WASTING TIME ON SOMETHING THAT WORKS AND WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE EXPANDING THE MUSKY RANGE IN MN. 80 +/- lakes out of 10,000 is junk!!!
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| wow... I kinda lost it.
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| Ok, since it was brought up.
What are the limiting factors which keeps the +80- number of lakes in Minnesota to that number? What prevents their expansion? How does one work to expand this range?
Would we be putting more pressure on a rather limited resource if more tournaments are held and the range doesn't expand?
If so, then how does this adjust so everybody can enjoy the sport of musky fishing.
TONKA is my main water and it has it's fair share of tournaments. Overflow, if you add up et al.
After visiting the Big V, it has the acreage to handle tournaments.
So, smaller waters would seem to be the key for expansion and when these waters become a consistent tournament trail, then it seems the means to the end is the reason for the end: no more musky expansion, that is.
I realize tournaments are here to stay. I only hope they improve in their formats and we can enjoy this wonderful resouce we call musky fishing with as little impact as non-tournament angler inflict.
So, working with the DNR and contributing monies to Muskies, Inc is a feather in your hat Cady. Take the next step chief, what can your trail do to expand the musky range and what can we non-tournament anglers do to assist you in this effort.
Thanks..
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
First of all I wouldn't have been the tournament director for our MI club for 4 years on my home waters if I didn't want people to fish them. Anybody that knows me will attest to the fact I'm not a secretive person.
So if you don't know me, than don't act like you do.
Secondly, Steve you admit that in a large body of water judge boats aren't a good idea. I was giving you ways to fish a large body of water without judge boats. Since you brought it up, no I don't like the judge boat system; 1st and foremost, how safe is it for a person to jump boat to boat in 3 foot or bigger waves? That is just stupid. I also know first hand (been told by fomer judges and contestants) that it is not uncommon for a boat to give the wrong coordinates, or for the judge to be slow in getting there for a variety of reasons. Don't BS me, this has happened more than occasionaly. Is everyone in the tournament going to have a huge net where a 54" fish can easliy lay out and recover while waiting? Anybody with common sense knows in windy conditions a fish can't revive very well in a net, especially if it isn't big enough. You got a good shot at fish 50"+ on all these lakes, I'm a little more concerned about the fish than any tournament.
Thirdly, your idea of tagging fish after the stress of being played caught with radios is putting more stress on fish during warm water periods (the DNR would only tag in cold water temps when fish are green out of nets and knocked out with drugs so they don't thrash and get hurt), and the DNR is not interested in any kind of telemetry study. They will tell you that, it's not my words or idea. So don't think that tying in a study is going to give your tournament credibility.
C'mon, why so hostile. My personal opinion is on a lake like Detroit, a 60 boat tournament is overkill. And if you don't believe it, than go for it.
That lake is a zoo on the weekends. Promoting overcrowded conditions on a highly recreational lake cannot be good publicity for anybody.
JS
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| In my past conversations with the DNR and many anglers including Mr. Skarie... It comes down to $$$. groups like No More Muskies and misinformed Lake associations fight Muskies.... The DNR doesn't have the resources and Musky anglers are unorganized. As a group we must learn to work together even if we have different opinions.This would entail Musky related companies, tournaments, clubs, Muskies Inc. and the weekend angler working as one instead of against each other. |
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