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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Want to learn how Steve Herbeck builds and fishes his live bait Herbie rigs? Click on the link below, not the image!
Watch the VIDEO here!
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| Awesome rig and I use the rubber bands through the nasal passage to this day. Having said that I fail to see why in the word he feels the need to bend one of the hooks in a way that makes it impossible for that hook point to do the angler any good. Take a regular treble and skin it through the side of the sucker so all points face towards the head of the sucker and call it good. Stop bending one of the hook points it really makes no sense.
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| I also use a rubber band through the nostril and wouldn't ever do it any different. I do bend a point down on each treble. I think it hangs the hooks well and prevents them from getting buried in the sucker on the hooksets and my hookup ratio is pretty high with two instead of three barbs |
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| I attended a seminar on live bait fishing with guide Rob Manthei earlier this year and he also heats and straightens one hook on each treble and that goes into the sucker. If I remember correctly, he wants the hooks to come out of the sucker on the hook set and just like the rubber band, those straight hooks are part of that. |
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Location: oswego, il | Maybe it's my new phone but the video does not pop up in the link. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Cfollow - 11/11/2018 7:25 PM
Awesome rig and I use the rubber bands through the nasal passage to this day. Having said that I fail to see why in the word he feels the need to bend one of the hooks in a way that makes it impossible for that hook point to do the angler any good. Take a regular treble and skin it through the side of the sucker so all points face towards the head of the sucker and call it good. Stop bending one of the hook points it really makes no sense.
Herbie explains exactly what that hook accomplishes in detail in the video, and it does exactly what he describes. |
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| Todd, I could not get it to play either but after reading Steve's post, went back and instead of trying to click on the "play" arrow in the photo frame, go up to where Steve has the message, 'watch the video here' and click on" video here". Video plays fine from that link. Now that I figured out how to watch it, his reasoning on straightening the one hook is the same as Rob Manthei's.
Edited by North of 8 11/11/2018 10:18 PM
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Location: oswego, il | Still have not seen the video, that's on me but if he is bending the hook point that goes into the sucker straight back it's so that it comes out easier on the hookset which is critical. Having said that I straight reeled in a 38 in the net that never had a hook in it yesterday.
Edited by ToddM 11/12/2018 6:41 AM
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Location: Contrarian Island | I don't bend out one of the trebles either, seems silly to lose 33% of the hooking chances …. yes, I watched the vid and I have never done it that way and have good results...the rubber band thing is a pain in the butt to me as well... I use a size 6 walleye hook and it pops free just as easy as a rubber band and takes 90% less time to rig... win/win. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | BNelson - 11/12/2018 8:10 AM
I don't bend out one of the trebles either, seems silly to lose 33% of the hooking chances …. yes, I watched the vid and I have never done it that way and have good results...the rubber band thing is a pain in the butt to me as well... I use a size 6 walleye hook and it pops free just as easy as a rubber band and takes 90% less time to rig... win/win.
Think about the law in Canada dealing with hook numbers allowed and note the positioning of the hooks, what he said about bait condition, what happens with that rig when the sucker contacts stuff underwater, and what happens when the hooks are set. I can tell you from working with AML on their social and from time in the AML boats that it works really well and hooks up solidly. If you think about positioning of the hooks, one isn't losing any percentage of the hooking chances and in fact is probably increasing the chances, which his results confirm.
Herbie came up with the rig after using about every combination one could think of.
And he isn't using a rubber band all the time. He says when and why in the video. |
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| https://youtu.be/sXQicIfnNpM
Here is a new video by Pete Maina on the same rig, since he uses it too. It's a bit easier to follow than the one posted above. And he mentions that Herbie actually "stole" it from salt water fishermen.
Edited by undersized 11/12/2018 9:28 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Pretty much nothing in fishing hasn't been done, what Herbie did was come up with a Muskie rig, refined it, and there's a heck of a lot more coming in the next few videos as to the whys and whens, etc.
What he said was the rubber band idea was a saltwater technique, that's it. |
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Location: mercer wi | Original herbie had a soldered close pin |
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| When I watched the video my interpretation is that one reason the hook is bent is that if the other hooks on that treble come in contact with a rock/ stick the bent hook gets pushed backward but will not dislodge from the sucker. If a non bent hook is pushed backwards far enough it dislodges from the sucker. Conceptually that seems correct to me. |
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| why does he stagger the hooks? they T-bone the thing perfectly nearly every time. put both hooks smack in the middle of the sucker and be done with it. |
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| upnortdave - 11/12/2018 10:44 AM Original herbie had a soldered close pin Yep I still have an original Herbie sucker rig with a soldered close pin. I enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting Steve. When I think of sucker rigs, literally there is a million different ways one can make a sucker rig. There is no wrong or right way to do it really. If you have confidence in the way you rig your sucker, you will catch fish. I started playing around making my own sucker rigs. My technique involves a hole puncher used for bottle caps. I pierce a small hole in the lip of the sucker, then break a rubber band and tie a simple knot to the sucker. I have also caught a bunch of fish on BNelson's rigs as well and those work good too. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Cfollow - 11/12/2018 12:11 PM
why does he stagger the hooks? they T-bone the thing perfectly nearly every time. put both hooks smack in the middle of the sucker and be done with it.
He has explained that to me a couple times and will again in the next video. Idea there is hooks in both sides of the face, if I remember correctly, with one complimenting, not fighting the other during the stress of the battle. He'll clarify or correct me eventually. |
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Location: oswego, il | Muskies don't perfectly t-bone sucker every time. |
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| I like the Herbie rig too, I even like Herbie better. Yes, there’s times when the bait needles get hard to hold in the cold, I likely lose two of the four or five I carry each time, and some of the rubber bands I’ve brought along will make me cuss worse than Herbie. As to bending the hook, you can do it without heat, and if it’s going to break, it’ll happen right away. But, it allows the other points on the treble to ride perfectly in a hookup mode. I really think all the rigs are really fine except that “hellcano harness,” which is beyond my skills. The secret for me is to know, absolutely, positively, that a fish is moving away from you at hookset and if you ever see the sucker again...it was a crummy hookset. Last, and I’m old and tech resistant, but I couldn’t watch the darn video no matter where I pressed my finger?? |
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Location: On the River | I have been using the original Herbie Rig since it came out in a article back in the 90's
His original rig used safety pins soldered the treble hooks. I still use that rig with rubber bands and have caught hundreds of muskies on his rig. |
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| Junkman - 11/12/2018 2:29 PM
I like the Herbie rig too, I even like Herbie better. Yes, there’s times when the bait needles get hard to hold in the cold, I likely lose two of the four or five I carry each time, and some of the rubber bands I’ve brought along will make me cuss worse than Herbie. ?
If you bend an 8-10 inch section of leader wire 60/40, pass the longer part thru the nose and slip the rubber band on before the shorter sections enter its about 100X easier to floss the nasal capacity than with the stock bait needle. Its just more to hold onto. Get the clear rubber bands at Walgreens/CVS in the girl's hair care section if the ones you are buying are giving you fits... |
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| Anything with rubber bands is a nightmare. No thanks. |
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Location: deephaven mn | exactly what wire is Herbie using tie this rig?
I think he said braided wire? and if so what gauge?
thanks |
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Location: Lakeville, MN | Thank you Steve Worrall and Herbie for making and sharing this video, and Herbie for sharing all those tips. I started making my own rigs this fall - I was doing a few things wrong, or at least sub-optimally. Posts like this are why I love visiting this site. |
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| Several folks have mentioned that the earliest rigs had a safety pin soldered to the hooks. I have an image in my head and was wondering if someone has a photo of this rig they could post? Just wondering what it looked like. |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | Darn, I have the safety pin version up at the cabin, but I won't see it again until spring. |
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Location: Vilas | kap - 11/13/2018 3:55 PM
exactly what wire is Herbie using tie this rig?
I think he said braided wire? and if so what gauge?
thanks
sevenstrand in either 60# or 90# |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Thanks, Steve. Honestly one of the most worthwhile set of information I’ve seen in years. Lots of good stuff there. Thanks and I look forward to more from Herbie. |
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Location: nationwide | Take a look at the sucker pic attached. Does your rig get the fish that hit this sucker? If not re-look at how you rig. Notice Herbie style through the nostrils . . . but also Herbie style under the spine between the dorsal fin and tail. No harm to the sucker and all hook points for use. This particular rig is what we call a quick set circle rig but a treble hook would work the same.
We got this tail biting fish, a 43 incher.
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Location: On the River | Here is a picture of a safety pin soldered
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