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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hi everyone,
With the discontinued parts for the Calcutta te series of reels, I'm wondering from those who have or use both can offer a comparison between the two. I know this can potentially open a small can of worms asking for this but I'm looking for good objective comparisons from magnum bulldawg use to jerk baits to small tails... basically anything but double 10s but no pounders or larger.
Let's say closest gear ratio comparison as well...
Thanks!!
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Location: oswego, il | The tranx is silver in color, the Te is gold in color. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | ToddM - 4/3/2018 6:55 AM
The tranx is silver in color, the Te is gold in color.
Why thank you captain obvious!! That was a huge help!!  |
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| I think the drag is better on the Tranx |
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| I can't speak to the long-term durability of the tranx vs the 400te but so far I'm really impressed with the 400 tranx. |
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| The Calcutta TE has a 5:1 gear ratio and the Tranx 400 closest gear ratio is 5.8:1. I have both and like them. SMOOTH reels.
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Location: plant earth | It's everything your te's are in a smaller frame with all of shiminos latest technology like X ship. I got rid of my te's very reluctantly at first Best move i made i have 400 and 500 series they rock. it's a quality reel no doubt.And I still think of the 400te as a classic. You wont be disappointed. |
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Location: Aurora | No comparison in my opinion (not apples to apples) because the TE has a non-disengaging level wind and the tranx does not.
TE hands down because of the above. |
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| sidejack why did you prefer a non disengaging ? |
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Location: Aurora | It's a casting distance and line fray issue for me.
With disengaging level wind reels like the Tranx, Lexa & Beast for example, when the cast release button is pushed and the line guide is all the way to one side of the spool, that's where it will stay. When you cast, line races out at incredible speed until it starts across the other side of the spool and begins to cut in against the grain. The spool has momentum so it keeps going and line starts to raise up in loops until it catches up and crosses over again to where the line guide is. This dramatic angle slows the spool down quickly and then the line begins to cut into itself across the spool creating large spikes of drag that cut down on casting distance and frays the first 40-50 feet of braid in short order due to the braid cutting in and ripping against itself across the spool. Using the Tranx, Lexa & Beasts, i could feel the rod pulsing towards the bait as it was in the air and noticed the line was cutting in across the spool. I could also hear it ripping across so i knew it was creating some resistance while the bait was in the air but discovering the line was fraying prematurely was especially alarming and it was magnified when i was throwing heavier baits like bulldawgs, big blades, or large gliders.
Not surprising as most of the disengaging level wind reels were designed for harder/rounder lighter line like mono or flouro, not 80-100lb braids. I tried several of the tighter/rounder 8 or more weave braids thinking it might help with the ripping issue but it didn't. Best way to reduce it is to make sure the line guide is close to center before every cast but could still feel it and continued to notice the line fray so I elected to sell off all of the disengagers and run non-disengagers now like TE's, older Revos, Komodos, etc. |
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| casting distance ? i was sure it was the opposite,level wind that is moving left and right is one of the best way to reduce casting distance distance, but i could be wrong |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | I have used 400/500 tranx reels hard and have never seen issues with fraying line due to the levelwind. The difference between the different reels is the distance from the spool to the levelwind. My 400 tranx reels cast slightly further than my grey revo toro 60's. I have both on big nasty rods. I run sufix performance or 832 only and have not seen any fraying with it on either reel. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Since the advent of longer rods I don't remember ever saying, "Gee, I wish I could cast another 4-5 ft." I do remember wishing a cast was 6-8 inches one way or another. Maybe if I cast open water more.... |
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| Sidejack - 4/4/2018 8:36 AM
It's a casting distance and line fray issue for me.
With disengaging level wind reels like the Tranx, Lexa & Beast for example, when the cast release button is pushed and the line guide is all the way to one side of the spool, that's where it will stay. When you cast, line races out at incredible speed until it starts across the other side of the spool and begins to cut in against the grain. The spool has momentum so it keeps going and line starts to raise up in loops until it catches up and crosses over again to where the line guide is. This dramatic angle slows the spool down quickly and then the line begins to cut into itself across the spool creating large spikes of drag that cut down on casting distance and frays the first 40-50 feet of braid in short order due to the braid cutting in and ripping against itself across the spool. Using the Tranx, Lexa & Beasts, i could feel the rod pulsing towards the bait as it was in the air and noticed the line was cutting in across the spool. I could also hear it ripping across so i knew it was creating some resistance while the bait was in the air but discovering the line was fraying prematurely was especially alarming and it was magnified when i was throwing heavier baits like bulldawgs, big blades, or large gliders.
Not surprising as most of the disengaging level wind reels were designed for harder/rounder lighter line like mono or flouro, not 80-100lb braids. I tried several of the tighter/rounder 8 or more weave braids thinking it might help with the ripping issue but it didn't. Best way to reduce it is to make sure the line guide is close to center before every cast but could still feel it and continued to notice the line fray so I elected to sell off all of the disengagers and run non-disengagers now like TE's, older Revos, Komodos, etc.
I agree with all that you say. One thing that really helps with a disengaging level wind reel is like you said and that is centralising the level wind. Easy done. If the level wind is not centralised at the start of your cast pinch the line between your fingers hard, back the drag off and crank the reel until the level wind is centralised, re tighten drag and you are good to go. It should stay pretty much in sync until the drag slips, its only about trying to eliminating the "extreme" angles that can occur. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Steve Le Maitre - 4/5/2018 1:31 AM
Sidejack - 4/4/2018 8:36 AM
It's a casting distance and line fray issue for me.
With disengaging level wind reels like the Tranx, Lexa & Beast for example, when the cast release button is pushed and the line guide is all the way to one side of the spool, that's where it will stay. When you cast, line races out at incredible speed until it starts across the other side of the spool and begins to cut in against the grain. The spool has momentum so it keeps going and line starts to raise up in loops until it catches up and crosses over again to where the line guide is. This dramatic angle slows the spool down quickly and then the line begins to cut into itself across the spool creating large spikes of drag that cut down on casting distance and frays the first 40-50 feet of braid in short order due to the braid cutting in and ripping against itself across the spool. Using the Tranx, Lexa & Beasts, i could feel the rod pulsing towards the bait as it was in the air and noticed the line was cutting in across the spool. I could also hear it ripping across so i knew it was creating some resistance while the bait was in the air but discovering the line was fraying prematurely was especially alarming and it was magnified when i was throwing heavier baits like bulldawgs, big blades, or large gliders.
Not surprising as most of the disengaging level wind reels were designed for harder/rounder lighter line like mono or flouro, not 80-100lb braids. I tried several of the tighter/rounder 8 or more weave braids thinking it might help with the ripping issue but it didn't. Best way to reduce it is to make sure the line guide is close to center before every cast but could still feel it and continued to notice the line fray so I elected to sell off all of the disengagers and run non-disengagers now like TE's, older Revos, Komodos, etc.
I agree with all that you say. One thing that really helps with a disengaging level wind reel is like you said and that is centralising the level wind. Easy done. If the level wind is not centralised at the start of your cast pinch the line between your fingers hard, back the drag off and crank the reel until the level wind is centralised, re tighten drag and you are good to go. It should stay pretty much in sync until the drag slips, its only about trying to eliminating the "extreme" angles that can occur.
How would it stay in sync unless your cast length is the same on every cast? |
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| honest question,can't wait to see the answer. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I wonder Y all the Major Reel Brands Like Shimano, ABU, and Daiwa have gone with Disengaging Level Wind System on there HD Reels ???
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| Is the distance from the lineguide to the spool, different between the tranx 400 and the calcutta 400D ?
My 400D doesn't feel quite as nice casting with as my old version conquest does, however my 300D's and 300 Tranx's, are some of my favorite reels and tranx 500 for that matter. |
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Location: Aurora | PIKEMASTER - 4/8/2018 3:27 AM
I wonder Y all the Major Reel Brands Like Shimano, ABU, and Daiwa have gone with Disengaging Level Wind System on there HD Reels ???
I bet the saltwater folks are baffled too Richard, seeing as most of their quarry take significant amounts of line and would prefer not to have the line digging in and ripping across the spool against the drag. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing that would be incredibly hard on the reel also. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Sidejack - 4/8/2018 12:51 PM
PIKEMASTER - 4/8/2018 3:27 AM
I wonder Y all the Major Reel Brands Like Shimano, ABU, and Daiwa have gone with Disengaging Level Wind System on there HD Reels ???
I bet the saltwater folks are baffled too Richard, seeing as most of their quarry take significant amounts of line and would prefer not to have the line digging in and ripping across the spool against the drag. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing that would be incredibly hard on the reel also.
I think he is saying you are over analyzing the issue. All of the manufacturers would not go this route if it were a problem... |
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| not false but not always ,sometimes they just build something new to give you the impression of an update,at the end it will finish with more money for them. but it's not always the case,sometimes it's purely downgrade.i'll not start to give example because m1 forum is not the place for it,but im sure you see what i mean |
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Location: Aurora | RyanJoz - 4/8/2018 1:58 PM
Sidejack - 4/8/2018 12:51 PM
PIKEMASTER - 4/8/2018 3:27 AM
I wonder Y all the Major Reel Brands Like Shimano, ABU, and Daiwa have gone with Disengaging Level Wind System on there HD Reels ???
I bet the saltwater folks are baffled too Richard, seeing as most of their quarry take significant amounts of line and would prefer not to have the line digging in and ripping across the spool against the drag. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing that would be incredibly hard on the reel also.
I think he is saying you are over analyzing the issue. All of the manufacturers would not go this route if it were a problem...
You might be right.
Even the new Conquest is a disengager.
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Location: Minnesota. | Thanks for your input on this issue Pikemaster. I'm having lots of questions but have decided not to worry about it from all the online searching I've done.
I'm toying with having a nice custom Thorne Brod rod and wanted to change my reels up a bit from the 400 CE's.
Good posts ladies...much appreciated. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | For Musky Fishing we lock drags tight so I like a Dis / engaging LW System
For Fish that take long runs on the drag, give me a Non / Disengaging LW System
On all my reels that Dis / engages I never had my line Fray.
I don’t Bomb Cast much, I short Fan Casts so I don’t worry about the position of the levelwind on casts.
I allway use a 8 weave braid and I spray my spool with line spray 2 or 3 times a day.
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| My Toro S 60 is disengaging type and it casts very smoothly. Two years of use and no line fray. |
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| i must be a fake musky fisherman ,i have never lock my drag down ......... |
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| Back to the original post...
Tranx 400 is very similar to the TE, except with all of Shimano's new bells and whistles.
Tranx 400 is more comfortable
Tranx 400 is new. I would assume it's easy to get parts for, but I haven't had a failure yet so I couldn't tell you.
TE is a classic, but it's much harder to get parts for nowadays.
Frankly the 400A exceeded all of my expectations last year. I was optimistic about the reel, but I severely underestimated it's power and durability. I ran 10's for weeks last Aug/September. Never saw that coming. It actually feels better now than it did out of the box (felt a little dry at first). |
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Location: Minnesota. | tolle141 - 4/9/2018 12:33 PM
Back to the original post...
Tranx 400 is very similar to the TE, except with all of Shimano's new bells and whistles.
Tranx 400 is more comfortable
Tranx 400 is new. I would assume it's easy to get parts for, but I haven't had a failure yet so I couldn't tell you.
TE is a classic, but it's much harder to get parts for nowadays.
Frankly the 400A exceeded all of my expectations last year. I was optimistic about the reel, but I severely underestimated it's power and durability. I ran 10's for weeks last Aug/September. Never saw that coming. It actually feels better now than it did out of the box (felt a little dry at first).
This helps tons. Just called Thornes... |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Sidejack - 4/8/2018 4:43 PM
RyanJoz - 4/8/2018 1:58 PM
Sidejack - 4/8/2018 12:51 PM
PIKEMASTER - 4/8/2018 3:27 AM
I wonder Y all the Major Reel Brands Like Shimano, ABU, and Daiwa have gone with Disengaging Level Wind System on there HD Reels ???
I bet the saltwater folks are baffled too Richard, seeing as most of their quarry take significant amounts of line and would prefer not to have the line digging in and ripping across the spool against the drag. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing that would be incredibly hard on the reel also.
I think he is saying you are over analyzing the issue. All of the manufacturers would not go this route if it were a problem...
You might be right.
Even the new Conquest is a Disengaging
On the ABU S and Beast it is a Dis / Engaging on the Cast Levelwind
But if Drag is pulled it turns into a Non Disengaging System
So that will make it saltwater compatible with fish that take long runs on drag
No sure if Shimano or Daiwa reels do that ???
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Location: MN | supertrollr - 4/9/2018 12:32 PM
i must be a fake musky fisherman ,i have never lock my drag down .........
If you are a troller as your name implies then you wouldn't lock your drag down, and yes you are a fake muskie fisherman |
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