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NPike
Posted 1/8/2018 1:43 PM (#889194)
Subject: Esox all or not?




Posts: 612


Giving the choice I'd rather catch a Musky, however I enjoy them all: Musky's, Hybrid Tigers or Pike. They all fight in a somewhat similar fashion. The downfall about the pike I catch is that they generally run ~ 1/2 the size as Musky's. Point is why are some guys so Musky only?
Kirby Budrow
Posted 1/8/2018 1:57 PM (#889195 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 2344


Location: Chisholm, MN
Size is the obvious answer, but the real reason is the personality difference. Pike are easy to catch, and muskies are not. Muskies behave in a fascinating way and the methods used to catch them are fun!
sworrall
Posted 1/8/2018 2:15 PM (#889198 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 32901


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I love fishing pike, and even more so big (12" to16") crappies.
KenK
Posted 1/8/2018 2:19 PM (#889199 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 576


Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI
I love them all. I catch mid to high 30 inch pike quite a bit and it is fun as well, especially if you are downsizing.
esoxaddict
Posted 1/8/2018 3:10 PM (#889203 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 8797


I fish for muskies for the visual aspect and the figure 8. Usually catch enough pike doing so where I rarely want to target them specifically, unless I'm looking to fill the freezer/our bellies. Then all bets are off. I'd rather fish for muskies, but I'll fish for anything.
ToddM
Posted 1/8/2018 3:15 PM (#889204 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 20231


Location: oswego, il
I like them all but most of the places i fish do not offer big pike and few opportunities for a hybrid. Being a FIB, i have other opportunities at multispecies at the cooling lakes and the big lake. I like it all. I also think it takes you away from a follow the leader aproach to fishing.
true tiger tamer
Posted 1/8/2018 3:16 PM (#889205 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 343


I enjoy all esocids, have caught all except the 2 new species in Europe. Each behaves differently but with some similarities. Muskies and tigers are my favorites but even grass pickerel are interesting to fish for. Amur pike are fun, wish we still had them in the U.S., plus they are the best pike I've ever eaten.
Musky Brian
Posted 1/8/2018 3:34 PM (#889208 - in reply to #889205)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 1767


Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
Just don’t care for Pike. Like Kirby said, they are just way too easy and abundant to catch. Carp give you a hell of a fight too but...
sworrall
Posted 1/8/2018 3:39 PM (#889209 - in reply to #889208)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 32901


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
A 45" Pike is neither abundant or easy to catch. One depends on the other. Pike are easier to catch primarily because there are a LOT more of them.
BNelson
Posted 1/8/2018 3:45 PM (#889211 - in reply to #889209)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Location: Contrarian Island
hammer handles are annoying... that said, 38"+ pike are a blast and fight just as hard as a musky. We take time out of our annual LOTW trip to target big pike in some bays... one year we had a blast with lots of pike over 36" up to ~42. I got a 44.25" pike up there that is a true trophy imo... to each their own but guys that think they can consistently catch BIG pike should go try it!
horsehunter
Posted 1/8/2018 4:40 PM (#889214 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Location: Eastern Ontario
I would give my left testicle for a 50 inch hybrid and for a 50 inch pike I would consider both but then again I'll be 75 when the season reopens.
North of 8
Posted 1/8/2018 4:46 PM (#889217 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Big pike fight every bit as hard as a musky the same size and they make some very nice table fare.
Musky Brian
Posted 1/8/2018 4:51 PM (#889218 - in reply to #889217)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 1767


Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
I think...like with just about any other species, it’s not really fun to catch anything else besides Musky on actual Musky tackle. Targeting them with lighter stuff is a different story. I mean, you could pick up a 22” smallmouth in the air with a Musky rod and twirl it around with half a hand like a feather. Yes, Pike fight pretty hard, but they stick to hooks far easier than Muskies do. The tough days when you lose Muskies become tougher as the 34” snotrockets all find a way to stay glued.
BNelson
Posted 1/8/2018 4:57 PM (#889219 - in reply to #889218)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Location: Contrarian Island
So shouldnt you downsize your tackle when you go to Vilas Brian?

Edited by BNelson 1/8/2018 4:58 PM
Fishysam
Posted 1/8/2018 5:06 PM (#889220 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 1209


When I’m fishing for 45+” fish I don’t care to catch small fish, the pike tend to have big eyes and small weights, it’s unfair to them with the gear I’m using, also love walleyes through the ice but my last 4 walleyes musky fishing got boat flipped into the boat, pretty funny when a walleye angler is 40 yards away with a jig not catching and I boat flip and throw back a 8 pounder with no photo... just not fair angling when it’s the wrong species (I should have took pictures but just want to get back at it for the ski!)
Musky Brian
Posted 1/8/2018 5:37 PM (#889226 - in reply to #889211)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 1767


Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
BNelson - 1/8/2018 3:45 PM

one year we had a blast with lots of pike over 36" up to ~42. I got a 44.25"


That’s not bad. How many per hour per angler though?
sworrall
Posted 1/8/2018 5:54 PM (#889230 - in reply to #889218)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 32901


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Musky Brian - 1/8/2018 4:51 PM

I think...like with just about any other species, it’s not really fun to catch anything else besides Musky on actual Musky tackle. Targeting them with lighter stuff is a different story.

I mean, you could pick up a 22” smallmouth in the air with a Musky rod and twirl it around with half a hand like a feather.

Yes, Pike fight pretty hard, but they stick to hooks far easier than Muskies do. The tough days when you lose Muskies become tougher as the 34” snotrockets all find a way to stay glued.


Uhhh, no.

Every October we fish out of AML and usually spend one day chasing big Pike with an AML Guide, well known as the 'Pike Whisperer'. We average 10 over 35 and 4 over 40 in a day. I really look forward to that day each year. 2017 we didn't get the chance due to a crazy blizzard. Smallies too up there, we usually boats a couple over 6 and even a few last couple years in the 7 pound class.
BNelson
Posted 1/8/2018 7:09 PM (#889238 - in reply to #889230)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Location: Contrarian Island
44.25 is equivelent to a 53 to 54" ski on lotw. whats your biggest?? You use musky gear for 40 inch muskies so to me its the same catching a 40 pike
Junkman
Posted 1/8/2018 7:13 PM (#889239 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 1220


In my experience, pike tend to favor tax and spend, their willingness to eat things way too large for their own good make them far too liberal for me. They are pain in the neck, but never show up at polls on voting day. Instead, they show up where they not wanted. They bend your buck tail wires and you waste five casts until you finally put on a new one just to have yet another gate-crasher ruin the spin on that one. Worst of all, these cheesy little buggers chase you away from “downsizing” which would improve your odds most of the time if it were not for the pike-torture. I say no to liberal view that these are really worthwhile citizens of the water world. I say ban them, deport them, with their little sissy stripes that go sideways instead of vertical like American stripes are supposed to go. America First—-Muskies only—No Pike
Musky Brian
Posted 1/8/2018 7:22 PM (#889242 - in reply to #889238)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 1767


Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin
BNelson - 1/8/2018 7:09 PM

44.25 is equivelent to a 53 to 54" ski on lotw. whats your biggest?? You use musky gear for 40 inch muskies so to me its the same catching a 40 pike


44” off of Starting Point on a Black/Orange Cowgirl. Fought like a horse, and I called 50” Musky.

I’m not disputing they are powerful fish that can bend a Musky rod with ease, but do you not agree they are considerably easier to stay pinned than a Musky? That was the main point I was trying to make.
jvlast15
Posted 1/8/2018 7:47 PM (#889247 - in reply to #889242)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 304


The 40+” pike that shook my JR Cowgirls hooks boat side last year on LOTW would beg to differ about how they stay pinned easier. Still think about losing that one...
ToddM
Posted 1/8/2018 8:19 PM (#889249 - in reply to #889239)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 20231


Location: oswego, il
Junkman - 1/8/2018 7:13 PM

In my experience, pike tend to favor tax and spend, their willingness to eat things way too large for their own good make them far too liberal for me. They are pain in the neck, but never show up at polls on voting day. Instead, they show up where they not wanted. They bend your buck tail wires and you waste five casts until you finally put on a new one just to have yet another gate-crasher ruin the spin on that one. Worst of all, these cheesy little buggers chase you away from “downsizing” which would improve your odds most of the time if it were not for the pike-torture. I say no to liberal view that these are really worthwhile citizens of the water world. I say ban them, deport them, with their little sissy stripes that go sideways instead of vertical like American stripes are supposed to go. America First—-Muskies only—No Pike


If only muskies were as smart as mericans.

Edited by ToddM 1/8/2018 8:20 PM
Sidejack
Posted 1/9/2018 12:54 AM (#889257 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 1084


Location: Aurora
Wait, vertical like.. what??
Oh, and both muskies and pike could take lessons from the smallies on how to hit.
I've nearly lost two rigs to smallies that i can think of while dragon chasin.
One tore it right outta my hand, rod butt flew up, hit me in the chin, knocked my glasses off. Ahh smallie encounters.. What fantastic memories those demon-eye'd footballs can serve up.
Who's with me?.. Might be fodder fer another thread actually.
~shrug~

Edited by Sidejack 1/9/2018 12:55 AM
RLSea
Posted 1/9/2018 7:40 PM (#889347 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 493


Location: Northern Illinois
^^^Yup! I love 'em!
Esox715
Posted 1/10/2018 4:11 PM (#889426 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 14


I had the best August/September for both Pike and Lunge I've had in my life. After not fishing my normal lake for 5 years, I landed several a day decent 30"+ Pike, and had my legit first Musky catches on "the turn" and both were beautiful 41" and 46-47" healthy fish. We ate the pike for the crappies/walleye sake and that's why I like catching nice pike Years ago I had a fish explode on a hughes river topwater that ended up being a large northern and YES there was a let down when I realized it. I am undecided....I need to get a Tiger!
Big Rock
Posted 1/10/2018 4:43 PM (#889428 - in reply to #889257)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 109


Location: Wisconsin River
Sidejack - 1/9/2018 12:54 AM

Wait, vertical like.. what??
Oh, and both muskies and pike could take lessons from the smallies on how to hit.
I've nearly lost two rigs to smallies that i can think of while dragon chasin.
One tore it right outta my hand, rod butt flew up, hit me in the chin, knocked my glasses off. Ahh smallie encounters.. What fantastic memories those demon-eye'd footballs can serve up.
Who's with me?.. Might be fodder fer another thread actually.
~shrug~


I'm with you all the way. A good smallie bite will make me put down the big stick every time. Not real sporting when they wack your topwater with a heavy rod and 80# line. Far better success ratio and a load of fun on light tackle.
happy hooker
Posted 1/10/2018 5:14 PM (#889430 - in reply to #889428)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 3152


pike are only good for making tiger muskies

Edited by happy hooker 1/10/2018 5:15 PM
Mudpuppy
Posted 1/11/2018 4:34 PM (#889497 - in reply to #889430)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 239


Location: Elroy, Wisconsin
Muskies only period. Northerns crap in my boat, usually roll to the surface when hooked and come straight to the boat, fight really well in the net. No thanks

Mudpuppy
Tiger222
Posted 1/12/2018 4:56 AM (#889533 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?




Posts: 90


I'm all for keeping every female pike I catch in muskie waters.
JakeStCroixSkis
Posted 1/12/2018 5:39 AM (#889534 - in reply to #889194)
Subject: Re: Esox all or not?





Posts: 1425


Location: St. Lawrence River
I get my pike fix in the winter. They are fun to chase. 43.5" being my biggest.. and they do fight hard. My busdy hooked a 40" in 20fow on a tube last summer, we both thought huge musky
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