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| Anyone have any idea what the approx. mph speed is when burning double 10's with a tranx hg.
Thanks in advance Jim |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 3 to 3.5, 8s can probably get em goin 4 to 4.2
Edited by BNelson 8/25/2017 8:41 AM
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| Top speed for a d10 generally is not reel specific, it is user specific. In other words the user will generally achieve the same speed with a HG as they would a PG.
To further complicate the answer, not all d10 can hold the same speed. Meaning one may blow out at 2mph another at 2.2mph.
For a reference 2mph is not quite 36" per second. So when your fishing and if you know your reels IPT you can ball park your baits MPH by the cranks your doing per second.
So to answer my guess would be low 2mph would be a "burn", and under 2mph is a days average |
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Location: Contrarian Island | your statement:
"Top speed for a d10 generally is not reel specific, it is user specific. In other words the user will generally achieve the same speed with a HG as they would a PG."
totally false. I've used both. the HG brings them in faster...that would be like saying a winch and an HG bring them in at the same speed... ummm no...
. your speed guess is off.. a few of us have figured out the speed and you're low...
Edited by BNelson 8/25/2017 10:05 AM
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| I am not sure about the mph, but the HG is much faster than the PG. I always believed there was little difference between the HG and the PG until I bought an HG a few weeks ago. It was quite a shock to experience the difference between the two reels. When using the stock handle the HG speed easily tops the PG, and when using the Trinidad handle the difference is even more pronounced without undue effort. I am getting more speed with much less effort using the HG with the Trinidad handle. When I use the PG, it takes much more effort to achieve even a moderate speed. I wish I tried the PG years ago. Brad Nelson has been telling us this for years, and he is right.
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| BNelson - 8/25/2017 10:43 AM
your statement:
"Top speed for a d10 generally is not reel specific, it is user specific. In other words the user will generally achieve the same speed with a HG as they would a PG."
totally false. I've used both. the HG brings them in faster...that would be like saying a winch and an HG bring them in at the same speed... ummm no...
. your speed guess is off.. a few of us have figured out the speed and you're low...
I think people get mixed up ease of turning and top speed. While the HG will bring in more IPT but it harder to reel, while the PG bring in less IPT its easier to turn. The easier turning allows for a faster rpm of the crank handle, that makes up the difference of IPT.
Reason i wrote the word "Generally" (sixth word in the quote) is for the extreme example of a winch compared to HG. The winch has a limiting factor of being so slow on IPT it limits of how many rpm a user can turn to make up the difference.
I would put money down that a person can turn a pg about 1.43 times faster than a HG with the same bait. MPH depends on how much muscle a person can put to the reel, its different than IPT that is measured only at the reel
While you and the few you mentioned may have a higher mph, great. I say that 1 rev per second with my HG is difficult to maintain (2.44mph) on hard pulling baits like D10 mentioned from the OP. If your talking short burst yes faster speeds achieved but that cant be done for X amount of time, everyone is different.
Edited by anzomcik 8/25/2017 11:19 AM
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Location: Contrarian Island | you're making it way more confusing than it is..
stand next to me with your PG, I will use an HG... we cast the same bait at the same time, mine will be to the boat faster with us both exerting the same force on the handle.... it's really that simple.
Edited by BNelson 8/25/2017 11:19 AM
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| I have done races with friends like you said, then switched reels. I won both time. MPH is mainly driven by user, if you said we each get 15 cranks then the HG would win do to the IPT and stipulation of the cranks
Edited by anzomcik 8/25/2017 11:22 AM
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Location: Contrarian Island | same force on each reel, the HG wins.. the speed is amplified even more with a fairly strong angler reeling it in.... |
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Location: oswego, il | My money is on mayweather. |
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| I believe if the force you applied to both HG and pg the pg handle would turn 1.4 times for every 1 turn of the hg |
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| I own both amd there's no way that my pg would touch the Hg.... 0% chance |
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| I love this battle, it never gets old. |
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| I DO NOT have a degree in physics..... but I have still caught a few muskys! 
Edited by ajrod88 8/25/2017 12:36 PM
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| If you apply a force of "X" to a bait it should move at "Y" mph. Lets assign numbers to this.
Force of 10 to a reel handle will generate a bait to move 4mph with a HG (i made up numbers)
So with a force of 10 to a reel handle of a PG will generate how many mph? (answer 4mph) because the force is the same. the reel is just the mechanism to pull the line, if force is the same so is the speed.
Some people are saying that if useing the same force "X" on two reels, (PG and HG). you will get a different speed. So to those people I ask where did the speed go? Lets take it one step further at what gear ratio could you make the bait go 100mph using the same 10 force in the example above? Because thats what your saying same force to different gear ratio equalls different speed.
So if you take a tranx HG 6.7/1, and make it 67/1 (10 times faster ratio, bringing in 430" IPT) using my example of force of 10 would that reel bring in the bait 10X faster????
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| BNelson - 8/25/2017 9:43 AM
your statement:
"Top speed for a d10 generally is not reel specific, it is user specific. In other words the user will generally achieve the same speed with a HG as they would a PG."
totally false. I've used both. the HG brings them in faster...that would be like saying a winch and an HG bring them in at the same speed... ummm no...
. your speed guess is off.. a few of us have figured out the speed and you're low...
I have the Winch and the HG. I can pretty much get the D10's to come in around the same speed (and they both wear me out). With the "lower resistance" of the Winch, I can wind that sucker faster than I can with the HG, but since the IPT on the Winch are lower, my faster winding essentially allows me to make up for that lack of line pick-up the HG has. I could really crank around the HG to get those blades to move (assuming they don't pop out of the water), but I am using a ton of energy and my forearms are about blow up, so that is not a sustainable retrieve. |
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| anzomcik - 8/25/2017 12:42 PM
If you apply a force of "X" to a bait it should move at "Y" mph. Lets assign numbers to this.
Force of 10 to a reel handle will generate a bait to move 4mph with a HG (i made up numbers)
So with a force of 10 to a reel handle of a PG will generate how many mph? (answer 4mph) because the force is the same. the reel is just the mechanism to pull the line, if force is the same so is the speed.
Some people are saying that if useing the same force "X" on two reels, (PG and HG). you will get a different speed. So to those people I ask where did the speed go? Lets take it one step further at what gear ratio could you make the bait go 100mph using the same 10 force in the example above? Because thats what your saying same force to different gear ratio equalls different speed.
So if you take a tranx HG 6.7/1, and make it 67/1 (10 times faster ratio, bringing in 430" IPT) using my example of force of 10 would that reel bring in the bait 10X faster????
Allright, I'm down to fight about reeling in double 10's. Force is relative to mass and acceleration, not velocity. force = mass x acceleration. If there is were no wind resistance or rolling resistance, your car could maintain constant speed with no force applied (drops mic) |
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Location: Contrarian Island | A winch bringing them in as fast a 500hg!!??? Omg. I have now heard it all.
Edited by BNelson 8/25/2017 1:51 PM
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| tackleaddict - 8/25/2017 2:26 PM
anzomcik - 8/25/2017 12:42 PM
If you apply a force of "X" to a bait it should move at "Y" mph. Lets assign numbers to this.
Force of 10 to a reel handle will generate a bait to move 4mph with a HG (i made up numbers)
So with a force of 10 to a reel handle of a PG will generate how many mph? (answer 4mph) because the force is the same. the reel is just the mechanism to pull the line, if force is the same so is the speed.
Some people are saying that if useing the same force "X" on two reels, (PG and HG). you will get a different speed. So to those people I ask where did the speed go? Lets take it one step further at what gear ratio could you make the bait go 100mph using the same 10 force in the example above? Because thats what your saying same force to different gear ratio equalls different speed.
So if you take a tranx HG 6.7/1, and make it 67/1 (10 times faster ratio, bringing in 430" IPT) using my example of force of 10 would that reel bring in the bait 10X faster????
Allright, I'm down to fight about reeling in double 10's. Force is relative to mass and acceleration, not velocity. force = mass x acceleration. If there is were no wind resistance or rolling resistance, your car could maintain constant speed with no force applied (drops mic )
Better pick up your mic, because you skipped newtons first law of motion.
Newton's First Law of Motion (Law of Inertia): Every body continues in its state of rest or of uniform speed in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by a net force acting on it.
Defination of net force:
Net force is the unbalanced force acting on an object. When two or more forces act on an object, the resultant (vector sum) of the forces is the net force.
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Location: MN | I think the HG pulls all size blades at higher speeds with less effort than the PG. I have had the PG for a few years and picked up an HG before this season. At first I did not like the HG for big blades and it even seemed like more work for small blades but after a while I realized when you crank the HG handle at a slower comfortable pace you are still obtaining speeds faster than the PG reeling as fast as possible (or close to it). I don't have any physics to back this up. I am just basing it on the wear and tear on my arms and wrists from long days of casting different size blades. It feels weird at first because it feels like you are slow rolling with the HG but the bait is zipping along. This is with full spools on both reels fwiw. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | anzomcik - 8/25/2017 12:42 PM If you apply a force of "X" to a bait it should move at "Y" mph. Lets assign numbers to this. Force of 10 to a reel handle will generate a bait to move 4mph with a HG (i made up numbers) So with a force of 10 to a reel handle of a PG will generate how many mph? (answer 4mph) because the force is the same. the reel is just the mechanism to pull the line, if force is the same so is the speed. Some people are saying that if useing the same force "X" on two reels, (PG and HG). you will get a different speed. So to those people I ask where did the speed go? Lets take it one step further at what gear ratio could you make the bait go 100mph using the same 10 force in the example above? Because thats what your saying same force to different gear ratio equalls different speed. So if you take a tranx HG 6.7/1, and make it 67/1 (10 times faster ratio, bringing in 430" IPT) using my example of force of 10 would that reel bring in the bait 10X faster???? You're not "wrong", it's just that you're wrong Simple thought experiment - You have three bicycles, each locked into gear 1, 10 and 20.... do you really think you could reach the same top speed with all three? Gears matter. |
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| When top speed isn't the fastest the unit can theroticaly move then yes. We are talking about a terminal velocity to a given amount of force. Please refer to my post you quoted. If force is the same speed will be the same. The gears may be taller that means it turns it slower. Speed will increase as force increases |
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Location: oswego, il | Is the test subject wearing a buff and a wind shirt? |
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Location: Ashland WI | ToddM - 8/25/2017 2:42 PM
Is the test subject wearing a buff and a wind shirt?
McGregor is buff. Does that mean he can beat Mayweather? |
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Location: Madtown, WI | I think you are the only one talking about.... well, whatever it is that you're talking about.
You said "In other words the user will generally achieve the same speed with a HG as they would a PG." and have been trying to defend it since. It's the same as saying a bicyclist will generally achieve the same speed in first gear as they would in 10th gear. Think about it buddy, but stop thinking so hard. |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | ToddM - 8/25/2017 2:42 PM
Is the test subject wearing a buff and a wind shirt?
i wore a buff last week in canada.. i could not get my dbl 10's over 2.589 mph! any ideas why?  |
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Location: Minnetonka | Nershi - 8/25/2017 2:10 PM
I think the HG pulls all size blades at higher speeds with less effort than the PG. I have had the PG for a few years and picked up an HG before this season.
The difference becomes very evident with 13s. Throw them with an HG and it's pretty tough. Switch over to your PG and you'll definitely notice how much easier it is, same speed.
As for how fast are tens going...Well, if you assume that "burning" is two full handle turns per second with an HG(accurate?).
Then...on a fully spooled reel, you're getting ~43 inches per turn.
So, 43 IPT times 2 turns per second = 86 inches per second, or 4.88MPH.
Take into account a slight loss of IPT at the end of a full cast and we'll call it 4.8 MPH.
Edited by MuskyMatt71 8/25/2017 3:08 PM
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Location: MN | MuskyMatt71 - 8/25/2017 3:06 PM
Nershi - 8/25/2017 2:10 PM
I think the HG pulls all size blades at higher speeds with less effort than the PG. I have had the PG for a few years and picked up an HG before this season.
The difference becomes very evident with 13s. Throw them with an HG and it's pretty tough. Switch over to your PG and you'll definitely notice how much easier it is, same speed.
I threw supermodels a bunch last weekend and I disagree with this. I can't turn the handle very fast with the HG and supermodels but the bait is still going faster than PG reeling it as fast as I can.
I really think it is a mental thing. It feels so slow while reeling but the bait is moving quick. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | have you timed 2 full cranks with an HG? |
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Location: Minnetonka | Nershi - 8/25/2017 2:10 PM
I threw supermodels a bunch last weekend and I disagree with this. I can't turn the handle very fast with the HG and supermodels but the bait is still going faster than PG reeling it as fast as I can.
I really think it is a mental thing. It feels so slow while reeling but the bait is moving quick.
That's interesting. I suppose it comes down to personal preference. I'd rather make more revolutions of the handle with less torque (PG) than have more torque with less revolutions (HG).
I gotta go back to work now. |
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