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| Usually knot my leaders. Saw a thread a while back about this and was wondering a few things. Moving from 100# to 130# flouro.
- which is stronger - crimp or Lee tauchen knot.
- i bought some double barrel crimps (hi seas I think). How do I crimp these properly to avoid line damage or slippage and what tool do I use, (certain style crimper, knot on tag end, mushroomed tag end...)?
Thanks
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Location: Contrarian Island | crimp, simple/effective and strong
I use a crimper like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cuda-Brand-Fishing-18836-11-Ti-Crimping-Pli...
crimping tips.
http://leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/crimp_techniques.html |
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| Thank you. That's a great link. Gonna use it for sure. |
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| I actually do both. I tie a Tauchen knot and then use a Hi-Seas Crimp Sleeve for the mainline and tag of the knot. I then add a shrink tube over the knot and crimp sleeve to help cut down on weed collection. Have yet to have a connection failure (or leader failure). |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Been crimping leaders like Brad has for about 10 years. Never had one crimp fail. I use a nail clipper to clip the tag end right next to the crimps. I use 80, 130, and 180 lb leaders. I can make about 10 in the time it used to take me to twist leaders from wire. |
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| How much pressure do u apply when crimping??? |
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Location: Ontario | I crimp mine as well, but still having hard time with sizing crimp to the line dia.
Any guidance on that?
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Location: St. Lawrence River | I tie knots.. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Buy the high seas crimpers and crimp them until the tips of the jaws are just shy of touching. Firm, but not overly tight. The high seas crimpers have the diameter engraved on the jaws. I bought a nicer crimper for doing more, but the high seas is a good start. |
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| Thanks again. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 180 lb use 1.6 mm double barrel
130 1.3 mm
100 1.3 as well.
personally I use 180 for everything... no need to go lighter imo. |
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Location: Already Gone | Also maybe read this...
http://www.saltwatersportsman.com/crimping-how-to-on-mono-and-cable...
It's all really good info, especially Brad's. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | I Crimp all my leaders, on tag end i will use a lighter and heat and form a small ball so it will not pull or slip. never had a leader fail on me using a crimp. |
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| Thanks guys!!! I am good to go now.
I have 130#, 1.3mm crimps and the proper crumpets now. I M gonna make up a dozen this weekend.
Got all supplies for $80.
I refuse to buy leaders - they are 10-15$ each in Canada.
I will continue to tie my 100# leaders and crimp the 130#. |
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| I made up some 130# crimped leaders.
After a ton Of testing they are all failing. Problem - no matter how hard I crimp I am getting slippage which leads to breakage at 40lbs. When I used two crimps the problem was resolved and I hurt my back trying to break it. I am using a hi seas crimper and the crimps I have are 1.3mm double barrel.
I would bet that some commercial and other homemade leaders would have a breaking point similar to my 40# breaking strength results. It is likely strong enough to not see any fishing failures but I want better obviously.
I followed the web page instructions that BN gave me precisely.
Frustrated but not quitting.
Any thoughts????????? Or help?????? |
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| are you guys using aluminium or brass double barrel sleeves ? |
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Location: Ontario | Perhaps someone could link to tested supplier with advice on sizing ?
That would be helpful.
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Location: Ontario | Landry - 4/29/2016 10:59 PM
I made up some 130# crimped leaders.
After a ton Of testing they are all failing. Problem - no matter how hard I crimp I am getting slippage which leads to breakage at 40lbs. When I used two crimps the problem was resolved and I hurt my back trying to break it. I am using a hi seas crimper and the crimps I have are 1.3mm double barrel.
I would bet that some commercial and other homemade leaders would have a breaking point similar to my 40# breaking strength results. It is likely strong enough to not see any fishing failures but I want better obviously.
I followed the web page instructions that BN gave me precisely.
Frustrated but not quitting.
Any thoughts????????? Or help??????
Are you crimping the right way?
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Location: Minneconia | Landry - 4/29/2016 9:59 PM
I made up some 130# crimped leaders.
After a ton Of testing they are all failing. Problem - no matter how hard I crimp I am getting slippage which leads to breakage at 40lbs. When I used two crimps the problem was resolved and I hurt my back trying to break it. I am using a hi seas crimper and the crimps I have are 1.3mm double barrel.
I would bet that some commercial and other homemade leaders would have a breaking point similar to my 40# breaking strength results. It is likely strong enough to not see any fishing failures but I want better obviously.
I followed the web page instructions that BN gave me precisely.
Frustrated but not quitting.
Any thoughts????????? Or help??????
Stick with the double crimp and mushroom the tag end before you crimp with a torch. My 80 lb braid breaks every time before the leader fails every time when I test. |
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| Definitely crimping the right way. Right amount of pressure????? Not sure.
I am using copper double barrel crimps |
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| I do not want to come across like I am trying to rain on someone's parade. I looked into crimped leaders many years ago. I read all the references on the internet on how to crimp leaders. Several of these references are given above. I bought the best components (fluoro, sleeves and crimping pliers) that I could find. I played around with various techniques for crimping. I never developed any confidence whatsoever in my crimped leaders. My fishing buddies had the same results, and a few lost fish. I now only use knotted fluorocarbon leaders. The Dubro nail knotter tool works great for me.
Good fishing and tight lines!! |
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| if you tie a bad knot it will fail.. if you crimp wrong it will fail....a proper crimp will not fail..ever. |
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| I decided to go with Lee's knot in the end. My guess is I will not get 100% of my 130# break strength but I will likely get 100# on all of them. Knots are easy to inspect - although Lee T's knot is not easy to tie at first.
I am sure a properly crimped leader will have 100% strength - I am just not confident that "my" crimping will achieve that and don't want to be filled with doubt on the water that I am fishing with inconsistent quality leaders.
Thanks for everyone's help. I know I will use the crimper and crimps for adding stinger trebles to baits like bondies, shallow invaders and tubes so they will be used. |
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| Landry - 4/30/2016 5:47 PM I decided to go with Lee's knot in the end. My guess is I will not get 100% of my 130# break strength but I will likely get 100# on all of them. Knots are easy to inspect - although Lee T's knot is not easy to tie at first. I am sure a properly crimped leader will have 100% strength - I am just not confident that "my" crimping will achieve that and don't want to be filled with doubt on the water that I am fishing with inconsistent quality leaders. Thanks for everyone's help. I know I will use the crimper and crimps for adding stinger trebles to baits like bondies, shallow invaders and tubes so they will be used. To tie Tauchen's knot (a reverse nail knot) more easily, get one of the Magnum Tie-fast "knot tyers":http://www.theflyfishers.com/P/2618/Tie-FastKnotTyerMagnum This video is of the smaller version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611JWRtkjOc |
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Location: Contrarian Island | so if your 130 lb leaders test at 100 lb.. what breaks first...your 80 lb line or your 100 lb leader? 
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Location: oswego, il | Been crimping my own leaders for 17 years. Saltwater guys crimp leaders they catch fish far bigger and more taxing than any musky we would ever hope to catch. I have never had a crimp fail, ever. I have snagged baits and lost them trying to pull them out and the 80 and 100lb braid failed before any crimp did. If you do it right you are fine.
If you want to crimp, then crimp, if you want to tie a knot, do that. |
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| I agree. Crimp or knot will work for Muskie - provided they are both done correctly. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I've used my own 180 lb leaders for 8+ yrs and make them for a lot of guys... haven't heard of a single failure with 100s if not 1000s of fish... the weakest link, is the weakest link I have to chuckle when guys tell me they are worried their leaders are going to break but use 80 lb line. |
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| In my personal opinion I only make my flouro carbon leaders using the Seaguar loop Knot the harder a fish pulls the tighter the knot gets sometimes on the real heavy flouro 200 pound plus I will put one drop of super glue on the knot I also put a small piece of shrink tube to keep the tag end from getting weeds and on my 4' trolling leaders I leave the tag end 4-6 inches long on the swivel end the catch weeds or divert them before getting to the bait this works really well. I have had a few crimped leaders fail that were purchased from a supplier that I wont name but I would like to add that the best leaders I have ever purchased that have never failed me are Stealth Leaders and they use a combination of a knot and a crimp there crimp basically just hold the tag end and I believe it does not need to be crimped down hard enough to compromise the strength of the flouro. Here is a link to Seaguars website with instructions on how to tie the loop knot. http://www.seaguar.com/applications/knot-guide.html
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| I have found this tool :
http://www.leadertec.com/store/product.php?xProd=283
and the video " how to use it "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpeqsRsfQm4
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