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Location: Minnesota. | I'm a fly-rodder in another life, yep, trout as well as all our warmwater fish.
I know we all know about wet hands. Maybe not so certain about the gloves...Please watch this -- to the end!! I think it's important. Thanks,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8VETvLLa0o&sns=em
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| I'm going with not an issue in any way with muskies. On heavily fished waters I have never seen any evidence that handling them with a glove makes any difference...besides my own hands getting torn up NOT using them. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Gloves absolutely DO REMOVE SLIME COAT. No argument really needed, it's an accepted truth. The decision is yours to make, but I will never touch a fish with a glove to help prevent mortality via infection. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Bob, better make sure you correct Saric on this next time you fish together as I have seen him wear one....it's an "accepted truth" and a guy online says so!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | well hello fly-rodder, i'm a musky guy ... |
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| Read a good article years back by a fisheries biologist. He stated that gloves may remove slime but that often the angler has to grip the fish so hard without a glove that much more damage is done. He was referencing trout. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Not all gloves are created equally.
Then again what do I know, I'm just a crappie guy. |
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Location: Ashland WI | dfkiii - 2/23/2016 7:05 AM
Not all gloves are created equally.
Then again what do I know, I'm just a crappie guy.
Crappie?? or crappy??
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| Gloves allow a firm grip which maintain control. A bleeding hand full of gill plate tends to allow a significant degree of slippage often resulting in a spine challenged fish banging on the floor. It's not about "perfect," it's about "better." |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | jonnysled - 2/23/2016 6:52 AM
well hello fly-rodder, i'm a musky guy ...
you will have to pass the " is it 53" or 63"?" test before we make that determination |
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Location: Minnesota. | jonnysled - 2/23/2016 6:52 AM
well hello fly-rodder, i'm a musky guy ...
Quit it you.....:-)) |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | At one point this might have had the potential for serious discussion...that's winternet
Edited by horsehunter 2/23/2016 8:40 AM
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Location: oswego, il | Vice clamps ok? |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Is it possible that the infection rate is a lot different for a fish released into the lake as opposed to two weeks in a small tank for filming. I have recaptured a number of fish I tagged back in the 90's wearing gloves and never saw any ill effects. Muskies do regenerate slime over time. Any fisheries worker I ever watched or assisted with netting was always wearing gloves. We have caught muskies in the late fall in the outlet from Lake Ontario to the Larry with the slime hanging off like gelatin leaving much slime in the net. An American biologist told me that he thought these were fish feeding in deep cold water on lake trout. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Good point Frank, so let's have that discussion.
Was it the glove or was it the release technique ? Watching the video, the fish is clearly demonstrating it is ready to go yet the "gloved one" is still holding on strong allowing it to keep kicking that tail while firmly in the gloved one's grasp.
How many of you hang on to that musky while it's kicking it's tail in your hand ? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i'd argue that time and pushing them around kills a whole lot more than a wet glove in the gil plate, belly and then tail. just supporting a fish with a loose but capable grip until she can support herself is what's needed. also, do them a favor and release them back close to the structure instead of wherever the boat wandered off to. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Possibly we should make sure our glove was wet before we handle fish. ( I think I always have but would be easy to forget with the excitement of a big fish then again I have been accused of never getting excited ) |
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| My question is... Are there long term effects? I'm going to guess that the fish will heal over the next 2 weeks and be back to normal. But what do I know? They get more beat up from spawning than this. Gashes all over, etc. Then come summer, they look like nothing happened. I'd think a gash on it's side is much worse than having a little slime removed. I'm leaning towards the fish healing on it's own after a couple more weeks. |
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Location: oswego, il | I too would love to see what the long term affect is on the fish. As stated the person was holding on to a fish that wanted loose, therefore had a much harder grip than needed. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | dfkiii - 2/23/2016 8:05 AM
Not all gloves are created equally.
Then again what do I know, I'm just a crappie guy.
I remember years ago some were suggesting welding gloves I tried them and they lasted 3 seconds |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | ToddM - 2/23/2016 9:17 AM
I too would love to see what the long term affect is on the fish. As stated the person was holding on to a fish that wanted loose, therefore had a much harder grip than needed.
Lucky for you the glove in the video isn't blue or there would be hell to pay ! |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | This is much like the original release mortality studies done long ago. Fish in captivity are far from good examples of what happens in the wild. Watch the video again and ignore the tail, look at the other fins and the nose. This fish was beating itself up in captivity and the stress only compounded the slime loss on the wrist of the tail. This is good for their agenda but in reality isn't very good science and really has no correlation to how we handle muskies. |
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| Additionally having gloves on lets you handle the fish with more confidence especially when unhooking a fish that is hooked in a manner that requires cutting hooks etc. Muskies don't get killed by people simply wearing gloves they killed by mis-handling and occasionally by getting the hook in the wrong place. Most mortality is totally avoidable with good handling techniques.
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| I use to be a horseshoer (farrier) and my hands were sliced and diced daily by nails not always going where planned. My hands were those like any brute sort of a guy who worked outdoors at a real job, gloves were for sissies, and my wife bristled at the touch. No real man I knew would wear gloves period. Now, I'm a refined sort of gentleman with the smooth sort of hands that a beautiful woman likes to hold. So let the mob know I'm wearing a glove, it's not a problem. And, when I release the head back into the water with my gloved left hand, my bare right hand holds the tail until she swims away. I just don't know a better way. |
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| Additionally having gloves on lets you handle the fish with more confidence especially when unhooking a fish that is hooked in a manner that requires cutting hooks etc. Muskies don't get killed by people simply wearing gloves they killed by mis-handling and occasionally by getting the hook in the wrong place. Most mortality is totally avoidable with good handling techniques.
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Location: oswego, il | dfkiii - 2/23/2016 9:20 AM
ToddM - 2/23/2016 9:17 AM
I too would love to see what the long term affect is on the fish. As stated the person was holding on to a fish that wanted loose, therefore had a much harder grip than needed.
Lucky for you the glove in the video isn't blue or there would be hell to pay !
Florescent blue actually. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Junkman - 2/23/2016 10:13 AM
I use to be a horseshoer (farrier) and my hands were sliced and diced daily by nails not always going where planned. My hands were those like any brute sort of a guy who worked outdoors at a real job, gloves were for sissies, and my wife bristled at the touch. No real man I knew would wear gloves period. Now, I'm a refined sort of gentleman with the smooth sort of hands that a beautiful woman likes to hold. So let the mob know I'm wearing a glove, it's not a problem. And, when I release the head back into the water with my gloved left hand, my bare right hand holds the tail until she swims away. I just don't know a better way.
i'd just like to acknowledge that this paragraph flowed like it came out of a John Steinbeck novel. |
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| Don't know about Steinbeck, but I think we can say with some certainty that never before have the words brute and bristle been used in the same sentence on this board. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Musky Brian - 2/23/2016 6:07 AM
Bob, better make sure you correct Saric on this next time you fish together as I have seen him wear one....it's an "accepted truth" and a guy online says so!
Well don't I feel foolish making my decisions based on scientific evidence rather than a gut feeling. You sure showed me who the ignoramus is. |
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| bturg - 2/22/2016 11:20 PM
I'm going with not an issue in any way with muskies. On heavily fished waters I have never seen any evidence that handling them with a glove makes any difference...besides my own hands getting torn up NOT using them.
C'mon Bob, really how often do gloves save a guy from bleeding (insert Sarcasm filter here) |
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