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| Bulldawgs, Meduasa's, or Red October Tubes
Is there a time/place where one outshines the other. My tackle box is getting quite heavy.
I'm guessing that it is more a personal or region favorite and they are are in a similar class. I do like the twisted tubes. Weights less but has all the bulk.
I missed the Chicago Show. Will all three be in Milwaukee?
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| For some reason every time I put a Dussa on all Chaos breaks out in the boat and in the water. |
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Location: Detroit River | I have plenty of all three. I sold all of my smaller 7.5" ROT's because I like the 10" better & have had a couple of seasons that they were close to being my top bait for the season only 2nd to the Bondy. I've kind of strayed from the ROT's in favor of the Medussas, which have been one of my favorites since they came out but I was disappointed when the profile & plastic was changed with the new ownership. Most of my bulldawgs stay at home to make room for more Medussa's & Bondys. I still keep a few on hand but they see little to no action. |
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| Ive had more luck with Dussa's then Dawgs and tubes, but I havent givin tubes nearly as much time. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Just because they're all rubber doesn't mean they're at all alike. Instead, think of them as flat head screwdriver, phillips head screwdriver and hex head screwdriver - all screwdrivers but not interchangeable.
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Location: Pulaski, WI | So when would you choose one over the other? |
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| mosquitofogger - 1/27/2016 7:05 PM
unless u have the old medussas i would throw a bulldog the new medussas just dont catch fish like the old ones the tails dont move and if ur lucky 1 out of 5 dont roll over when u are jerkin em save ur money buy bulldogs
Have other guys had problems with the newer Medussa's too? I was about to order a new monster but it will drive me nuts if it rolls on the pull. |
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Location: Elk River, MN | The old dussas definitely pull much better, like fogger said, the new models tend to roll easier. |
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| I catch plenty on the new Dussas. My buddies do as well. Personally I don't have issues with them rolling over any more than the old dussas or bulldawgs. I've never had a rubber bait that didn't need to be "tuned" a little bit to make run straight. Just need to give it a little bend sometimes. Especiallly after a fish has chowed it! |
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| personally when u spend 30 to 50 bucks on a bait and 1 out of 5 work and the rest have to be tuned no thanx and it never fails u spend the time to tune it 20 casts later its the same way untuned |
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| Are the medussas now being made in the hard rubber ?
the first ones with the glued "stick on" eyes were pretty tough,
then they made some with painted bobble eyes that were quite soft.
but the last one i got, had bobble eyes but was pretty #*^@ tough, maybe even harder then the first ones. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | I throw Medussa's a lot. As far as quality is concerned, here's an example of a Medussa that has nearly 20 fish on it and I'm still throwing it. The quality has only improved in my humble opinion. The rubber is still plenty soft for the fish to dig their teeth into and for you to pull their teeth through to drive those hooks home on the hook set. As far as the eyes being painted on, I'll say this, I think I made two casts with the original Dussa before the eyes came off. They stay on when their painted, or at least until the paint gets chewed off. I like them better with the paint chewed off  I throw a lot of rubber. Dawgs, Dussa's, Super D's, Suzies, Curly Sues, tubes... You name it. They all have their time and place.
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Location: Detroit River | Zinox - 2/4/2016 3:27 PM Are the medussas now being made in the hard rubber ? the first ones with the glued "stick on" eyes were pretty tough, then they made some with painted bobble eyes that were quite soft. but the last one i got, had bobble eyes but was pretty #*^@ tough, maybe even harder then the first ones. When Chaos Tackle (maker of the Medussa) was sold the profile was changed slightly & is shorter from the belly to the top of the head. They also changed the plastic, which was a lot softer than the originals (the ones with the glued on eyes). The plastic has since been changed but there still may be some of those softer plastics in some stores inventory. The softer plastic basically made the bait a one or two fish bait & after that the harness was either falling out or was so bent up you couldn't come close to bending/tuning it to run straight again. The current plastic is better than the softer stuff they were made with by the new owner but still not as tough as the originals.
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Location: Detroit River | Sam Ubl - 2/4/2016 5:18 PM I throw Medussa's a lot. As far as quality is concerned, here's an example of a Medussa that has nearly 20 fish on it and I'm still throwing it. The quality has only improved in my humble opinion. The rubber is still plenty soft for the fish to dig their teeth into and for you to pull their teeth through to drive those hooks home on the hook set. As far as the eyes being painted on, I'll say this, I think I made two casts with the original Dussa before the eyes came off. They stay on when their painted, or at least until the paint gets chewed off. I like them better with the paint chewed off I throw a lot of rubber. Dawgs, Dussa's, Super D's, Suzies, Curly Sues, tubes... You name it. They all have their time and place. The one on the bottom looks like an original. I have originals that have over 10 fish on them & are still in use but I've haven't gotten past 3 fish with the new ones without some major repair. |
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| Thanks Zib, and yes i noticed the profile changed quite a bit when they were bought of an other company. |
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| if anybody wants to get rid of their original soft medusas made by jason summers let me know the ones he made the super super soft ones just plain catch fish pm me if u have any u want to get rid of or possibly know where some are hiding thanks fogger |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | You're right, Zib. |
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| What about the Muskie innovations dyin dawg?? Any luck on those? |
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Location: Detroit River | Alumacraft89 - 2/11/2016 6:04 PM What about the Muskie innovations dyin dawg?? Any luck on those? I don't own any of those myself & don't think I ever will unless someone gives me one. From what I've seen it seems you need to work the bait slower & I don't have the patience for that. On some of the Key's Outdoors shows they've caught some on it, though they are sponsored by Muskie Innovations.
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| I agree fogger. I put a wanted post for those on the Buy/Sell forum but no biters. I like that old material way better and the tail action is ten times better than the new ones in my opinion. The new tails are way too thick. |
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| i totally agree about the tails the new ones are way to thick with hardly any movement if if u run across a stockpile somewhere danno let me know i will do the same if the guy who bought the company finds an old 1 and puts that side by side with the new ones he will see what we mean |
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| I like all three, and the changes to all baits are just responses to fishermen and quality improovment....some changes good, some not so good at times. I still have some old favorites like have been discussed in prior posts, but plan on making some new favorites as well. I have some bulldawgs that run great, some need tuning, especially after a fish! Medussa's have put us in the top end of a few tournaments.... |
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Location: Madison, WI | I own all 3 brands, but medussas (new or old style) put more (and bigger) fish in my boat than the other two. Quite possibly this is because I simply throw them more than the other 2. Each bait is different, and works for different reasons.
As far as quality issues, I smell B.S. I have seen a couple that had some pretty stiff tails but a light stretch on them and they're back in the game. I have never had one roll unless its straight retrieved very quickly. To be honest, do you think the fish care if they roll alittle anyway? Clearly there was a change when Rick bought the company, but he has gone out of his way to resolve any issues a customer may have with trouble baits. If you are still complaining about their "quality" after all this time, then you simply have not spoken to him to resolve your issue and/or are just stirring the pot. Even after 1 fish, most dawgs need to be tuned. Throw it all day, I guarantee the dawg will need alittle tuning to get it back straight again throughout the day. I have multiple new style baits that have upwards are 10 fish on each of them without needing to retire them. Each has its own place and time, but to simply say they are junk and all of them don't work is B.S. |
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| I like Medussas the best, except when Im trying to get down really fast in current (the drag from the tails slows the sink rate). The 3 tails also seem to foul with the hooks on the cast a little more often, but the action and profile I prefer the dussa. Not just the action on the tails but the way it veers a little bit on the pull and seems to hang an instant before the fall. I still use dawgs plenty too, especially shallow dawgs. |
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| I've fished dussas for along tI'm now and they are a top producer in my boat all the way from ice out to ice up. The only time I've seen a dussa roll is if your really burning it in on a straight retrieve, and if they do roll a bit try giving the bait a twist. Same concept as crank baits, I'm not going to name nay companies but I've had numerous times I had to tune cranks right out of the box to run properly. I'm going to say woth certainty that all rubber baits do this when straight retrieved. As far as the change in profile goes, my hooking percentage went up, it's easier for the fish to t bone and get hooks vs hitting it and getting nothing but rubber. As far as the new rubber goes it is 1000 times beTter than any rubber that was previously used. It's hard enough to last for 15 plus fish but yet soft enough to let the teeth pull through so you can get hooks in the fish, and as long as you take care of them (mending the rips and gouges) there's absolutely no reason it shouldn't last for at least 10 fish. I have a husky dussa that has 13 fish on it with no signs of giving up anytime soon! If your a lazy fisherman and don't repair your baits of course they aren't going to last. If your bumper on your truck was hanging by a thread and you don't fix it you tell me what's going to happen????? |
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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | The old vs. new medussa's are made completely different...hence the slightly different body shape and feel. One thing is for sure, I use both a ton of dussa's and dawgs and I can tell you that the "new" medussa's are made with super high quality rubber and components. I have plenty of medussas that I've caught 10-15 fish on and they are still in use. You can't please everybody and it seems no matter what when companies change something people complain. The new Husky Medussa is a BEAST and I love the feel of the rubber they are made out of. And on the rolling topic...I actually love when my rubber baits roll...those are the ones that get bit most in my boat. I'm not a huge fan of rubber baits running exactly straight...I like when they roll to one side...so I wouldn't let that become a factor when throwing them.
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| Only once have I had much of an issue with a Medussa. It was an older model, n didn't look like anything special but the first two fish I caught on it were 51 n 50 in 10 casts. Unfortunatly last year durring the PMTT on Vermilion, I lost a big fish on my favorite spot. The fish hit n snapped my hook harness n swam away with the hook. Ultamatly keeping me n my partner out of the championship!. I ended up adding some bucktail wire for a new harness.
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| i smell bs when u are friends with the guy who makes the new baits and u are coming to his defense. not to mention the fact that i put 2 or 3 posts on here looking for the old ones funny nobody wants to give them up . i think that speaks volumes in my opinion |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Could be that old rubber baits tend to have been used and chewed up already? I have an original one that's almost unfished. Interested? I'll start the bidding at $50. |
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| No one has the originals because prior to rick owning them they were made in China and the harness snapped. 95% of them are most likley broken and in the trash! |
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