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| now that everyone has time on the real is it really worth the price tag??? |
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| what really sets it apart from other reels. like a lexa or curado komodo or the new leha hd or even a toro s??? since u can darn near get 2 for the price of 1 |
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| dsqui - 10/16/2015 5:00 AM
what really sets it apart from other reels. like a lexa or urado komodo or the new leha hd or even a toro s??? since u can darn near get 2 for the price of 1
Read the complete preview of the reel here:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/08.18.2015/8905/Photo.Abu....
and here:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10...
In the second post there is a list down a ways that details the 10 or so differences between the Toro-S (like a Lexa) and the Toro Beast.
For ~$100 more you get all 3 handles, numerous other features and bearings to make it worth the extra coin.
The Toro-S is still going to be a nicer reel than a Lexa, imo, and worthy as a simpler workhorse. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | I wish cabela's would start carrying the S already. |
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| dami0101 - 10/16/2015 2:17 PM
I wish cabela's would start carrying the S already.
Some very nice deals on them from eBay |
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| Beast is an a awesome reel and is a much smoother reel with 8 bearings, better drag system, titanium coated worm gear 3 handles etc over the Toro S . With that said the S is an improvement over the NACL, and LEXA in performance, shape, size and weight The Tranx is a fine reel but is just way to big and heavy for me to fish comfortably for hours on end. The Curado is a great small bait reel but lacks the power of the Toros, Lexas or Tranx. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I actually ended up gravitating to the S, it just 'feels' better to me. The Beast is exactly that and an engineering winner all the way, but doesn't seem to have the same center of gravity strapped to a Veritas in my left paw; it's hard to explain.
All my NACL's will be on the BST so I can get a couple more S models. |
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| At the moment I've been using the HS 60 the most. Great for burning blades over shallow weeds and picking up slack line fishing rubber on deeper breaks |
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| The S does that great too but you can tell the beast is smoother |
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| So far no. My beast 60 hs out of the box with 80# has poor casting range and more back lashes in 2 hours than I have had this year with my 3 NACL's |
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Location: MN | I finally got an opportunity to use the beast HS60 this weekend. For the poster above, you need to make some adjustments on either the magnetic brakes or the cast control (mine is set fairly low on both) because this thing casts like a dream.
I will say this though, if you are looking to throw mostly, or a lot of dbl tens with this reel, then skip the two center balanced handles and go right to the extended power handle in the longest slot. Because you will feel the resistance, and it is still work unless you really slow roll. But it should be, as you are moving the bait right along at 34 IPT. I will check out the 4.9 beast or the S for regular duty on tens, and I lean toward the S cause who needs another 27 IPT reel.
Where the HS60 shines is burning smaller blades, picking up slack pulling rubber, and jerk baits that benefit from faster line retrieve. I really like this reel overall. They narrowed the thumb bar which should help, and they made the line guide pawl much more easily accessible. And they rounded off the point on the bottom end of the frame so it doesn't dig into your palm like their previous low profile reels. All in all this is a good reel in my opinion. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Fishysam - 10/18/2015 8:15 AM
So far no. My beast 60 hs out of the box with 80# has poor casting range and more back lashes in 2 hours than I have had this year with my 3 NACL's
Adjust the reel. That reel casts better than any I have owned. |
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| Fishysam - 10/18/2015 6:15 AM
So far no. My beast 60 hs out of the box with 80# has poor casting range and more back lashes in 2 hours than I have had this year with my 3 NACL's
I found the Beast to be an incredibly fast reel that needed a lot of braking to slow it down. This is partly because I use it to throw poppers and have to use a combo of relatively light lures with heavy rods so I have to really whip them out there. The super fast acceleration can be tricky to manage.
But, point being that if you add the right amount of cast control then it casts beautifully and farther than previous reels. You may have to add some tension from the right side too. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Ronix - 10/16/2015 4:29 PM
dami0101 - 10/16/2015 2:17 PM
I wish cabela's would start carrying the S already.
Some very nice deals on them from eBay
Yeah but I can't use Cabela's points and gift cards on eBay. |
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| thanks propster and johnd that is exactly what i was lookin for
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| I have adjusted every brake in any balanced configuration inside and magnetic brake from max to off. I can cast 3/4 distance with no effort but if I try 85% power or more it can't handle it, it makes a noise like a high speed chatter. I have never heard a reel sound like that that was t exploded inside. On half effort at 3/4 NACL range it's super smooth.
On the plus side I have some criticisms that can't be operator error. It is a taller spool so the frame is higher off the rod, negative for me and how I hold it.
A plus for the feel is it being narrower it doesn't rock in your hands when you have a lot of resistance. And it is super smooth and powerful. |
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| Fishysam - 10/18/2015 2:57 PM
I have adjusted every brake in any balanced configuration inside and magnetic brake from max to off. I can cast 3/4 distance with no effort but if I try 85% power or more it can't handle it, it makes a noise like a high speed chatter. I have never heard a reel sound like that that was t exploded inside. On half effort at 3/4 NACL range it's super smooth.
On the plus side I have some criticisms that can't be operator error. It is a taller spool so the frame is higher off the rod, negative for me and how I hold it.
A plus for the feel is it being narrower it doesn't rock in your hands when you have a lot of resistance. And it is super smooth and powerful.
How much tension are you adding with the right side casting brake? It sounds like it is loose?
For me I used all the centrifugal brakes, all of the mag brakes and even a little tension on the right.
Remember, all of these things slow the reel down. Being so very well made with such tight tolerances and having such high quality bearings is what makes it so fast.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sounds like a bearing needs some oil. Take the spool out and oil every bearing you can reach lightly. I just measured the Beast 60, Toro S, Revo Toro, and NACL, and all are nearly identical at 2.5 inches from where the hand grips the rod to the top of the reel. Tomorrow I'll take an NACL and Beast and shoot a picture with a straight edge to be sure. |
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| They do feel a bit taller at first but is much more comfortable after getting used to it. I agree with John on the backlash issue. Even my NACLs I had to have the spool control knob pretty tight. Also getting the line on tight will help. I put on a crankbait and let out all the line while trolling across the lake then reel it back in. Makes the line much tighter and level on the spool. |
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| How tight I have the tension is silly, I oiled it up and I'm assuming that wore some grease out of the bearings being as it was 45* the first day I used it. Still wish I had just stayed with my NACL's
On all other Abu Garcia reals I swear your only supposed to tension it so there is no slop left and right. Then the brakes and magic setting does the rest of you will wear through the plate on the left side of the spool axel |
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| The beast does feel taller, which im a huge fan of. The NaCl and previous toro's were too wide/flat. Beast is the smoothest reel I think I've ever picked up. Can't wait to own one. Never could buy an NaCl because they didn't hold right. |
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| Fishysam - 10/19/2015 8:15 PM
How tight I have the tension is silly I liked it up and I'm assuming that wore some grease out of the bearings being as it was 45* the first day I used it. Still wish I had just stayed with my NACL's
On all other Abu Garcia reals I swear your only supposed to tension it so there is no slop left and right. Then the brakes and magic setting does the rest of you will wear through the plate on the left side of the spool axel
A last couple of things to consider:
1. Sometimes a very fast reel will reveal a mismatch of bait and rod. A rod that loads a little better will accelerate the lure more slowly and make it easier to manage. If your rod is a little too stiff/bait a little too light it can be hard to control the reel as you are prone to whip it hard.
2. Older braid can become very limp and be hard to handle as well. Fresh line that is a little stiffer is easier to cast.
3. And lastly, if your reel is still hard to control with all of the brakes engaged you can take the shields off of the spool bearings and pack them with grease. This will slow them down (a poor man's cast control, but very effective).
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Here's the beast next to a Revo Toro 50 on a flat surface in the same position.
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| Fishysam - 10/19/2015 8:15 PM
How tight I have the tension is silly I liked it up and I'm assuming that wore some grease out of the bearings being as it was 45* the first day I used it. Still wish I had just stayed with my NACL's
On all other Abu Garcia reals I swear your only supposed to tension it so there is no slop left and right. Then the brakes and magic setting does the rest of you will wear through the plate on the left side of the spool axel
Try this as well:
Open up your reel on the left side and remove the spool. Take a screwdriver and carefully open the top cover of the centrifugal brake. Remove any springs inside that slow activation and hasten reset of the brakes.
Replace the cover and LS plate and give that a try.
The Revo Toro Beast I just got had all of the springs removed and it was very easy to control w/o even any use of the mags. If yours still has all the springs that should be the cause of your trouble.
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| I purchased the beast 60 HS and matched it with my XH 9' 3" Predator which i use for all rubber jerkbaits and swimbaits. I'm a Shimano guy but was interested in this reel. I must admit it this is one of the smoothest reels I've ever used and i own every reel from Shimano excluding the Tranx due to it's size. Key things I've noticed about this reel.
1- super smooth
2- cast like a dream- big and small baits
3- Drag easily accessible
4- Fits hand comfortably (during retrieve) and balances nicely with rod
5- When casting the gear box actually worked through my skin. I've learned to back off my right hand during the cast due to this. I have smaller hands if it matters?
6- I will stick with with my Trinidad Gold 14 for burning smaller blades- In all fairness i haven't used the power handle yet with the beast 60 HS but with the regular handle i felt a lot of resistance with smaller bucktails. I will convert to the power handle and see how it compares to the Trinidad for burning smaller stuff.
7- I was very surprised when i opened the box it does not come with a wrench for changing the handles?
I've only got around 14 solid days in with this reel but i really like it for the purpose i purchased it for.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Big difference with the power handle. |
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Location: MN | What do you mean "the gear box worked through my skin"? |
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| Not sure what that means?
Weighed power handle is much better and what I use for blades over really shallow weeds. The non weighted jigging handle makes big blades a breeze but then you risk engagement. |
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