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| I know its not musky related, but couldn't believe this.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/10/14/wis-judge-allows-chippewa-... |
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| Hey lots of poachers take their deer that way ..... way to go cheeze land judge !!
Edited by TonyT65 10/15/2015 11:00 AM
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| First, Crabb is a federal judge, not state. Second, the reason this was allowed after being turned down before was because the WI DNR when first setting regulations for wolf hunting, allowed night hunting for wolves. This was reversed eventually but the DNR under our clueless secretary, Stepp, set the precedent by allowing it. Judge Crabb in an earlier case a few years ago denied night hunting for the tribes, but the DNR's okaying it for wolf hunting opened the door and the judge changed her ruling accordingly.
Some time ago a retired DNR employee told me this would happen. He said the agency today is not being run by scientists and natural resource professionals but by politicians. And not very competent politicians at that. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'A federal judge has ruled Chippewa tribes can hunt deer at night beginning next month across most of northern Wisconsin'
'U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb issued an order Tuesday'
Same judge who ruled on many of the treaty rights ceded territory issues. Federal. |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | This will only strain relations up north! Not a good thing. |
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Location: Smith Creek | A little less sleep for the wardens. |
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| Flambeauski - 10/15/2015 11:39 AM
A little less sleep for the wardens.
I have not seen a warden in the "northwoods" in 20 years. |
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Location: Metro | Headlock - 10/15/2015 1:00 PM
Flambeauski - 10/15/2015 11:39 AM
A little less sleep for the wardens.
I have not seen a warden in the "northwoods" in 20 years.
So you're saying they are just none existent? lol. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | They are too few in numbers, under payed and overworked, and unloved. I should'a been a warden, at least then I would have a gun and look far more threatening. |
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Location: Metro | I understand what he was trying to say but if there are less Wardens it is going to be even LESS sleep for those few individuals. I'm being too analytical, got the musky jitters at work right now. |
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| sworrall - 10/15/2015 1:35 PM
They are too few in numbers, under payed and overworked, and unloved. I should'a been a warden, at least then I would have a gun and look far more threatening.
That is fact. |
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| Well, the warden here in Oneida county seems like a good guy and is hardworking. In the first 45 plus years I have had to have a fishing license, I was checked a grand total of one time on the water. So far this year I have been checked twice, once on the ice and the second time musky fishing, plus I ran into him at the boat landing on a third occasion.
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Location: Centeral Wisco | If they want night hunting then they should have to close a casino |
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Location: oswego, il | Pardon some of my ignorance here. Expanding to ceded territory there is private property correct? If so what permissions are granted? Will there be limits on the amount of deer taken? Did not see this in the article. |
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Location: central Wisconsin | I am wondering if it is shotgun only. I cannot believe rifles would be allowed. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | won't be as easy for them to go nocturnal during the gun season this way ... |
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Location: central Wisconsin | Good article on JS online |
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| ToddM - 10/15/2015 7:27 PM
Pardon some of my ignorance here. Expanding to ceded territory there is private property correct? If so what permissions are granted? Will there be limits on the amount of deer taken? Did not see this in the article.
They talked about this on NPR for a little while yesterday and made it sound like it will be a heavily-regulated thing. Hunters must first take a safety course AND pass a test on the rifle range, to name a couple specifics. |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | Not much time to take the safety course if this is opening up on November 1st. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | So they pull out their high powered spotlight and shine the deer, then blast away. I guess the judge has never heard of the concept of fair chase. Pretty disturbing, but like the treaties there's nothing you can do about it.
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| I see this matter somewhat differently than the previous post, as I believe there is something that can be done about it. I think about issues such as spearing and night-time hunting for deer every time that I drive by a casino. I just drive right by without stopping. I know many other outdoorsmen that do the same thing. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Which will be completely ineffective, unfortunately. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | last winter i drove around my neighborhood at night with a spotlight for about 5 hours helping to look for a neighbors dog that was lost. with a rifle in hand i could have fed the whole town for a month. the don't move off of beds with spotlights and don't even get startled. granted this herd is a bit on the tame side but i would imagine by this experience that night hunting will be pretty productive.
maybe we could get the same judge (in chicago, right?) to open feral cat and feral human hunting on the streets of Chicago at night? |
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Location: Smith Creek | The way it's written it doesn't look like road hunting is an option. Guess we'll see. |
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| Road hunting is definitely legal for this hunt. Read the FAQ, answers a lot of questions people have. I can't believe they can put out a corn pile, use thermal imaging and infared for locating them, then flip on a 1 million candle power spotlight, put their high caliber rifle on the edge of the window from the driver's seat of their truck, and shoot them. Yup, just like their ancestors did it. AND, the justification is for sustenance. Just shows you that non-native americans are superior hunters compared to native americans, as we get it done during daylight and we can't shoot from our vehicle...we actually have to walk out there. Disgusting.
http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/hunt/documents/tribalFAQ.pdf |
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| While I don't like the ruling and regret that the incompetence of the WI DNR management made it possible, I don't think non-native hunters can feel all that superior. It isn't native hunters that pay big bucks to outfitters in northern WI for bear hunts where the outfitter hauls gummy bears and other sweets/breads into the woods for months ahead of the hunt. Shooting a bear with his head inside a blue barrel filled with stale gummy bears doesn't seem a whole lot more sporting than shooting a deer with a spot light. |
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Location: oswego, il | Our gun laws.were written when we had muskets so the ancestry argument is mute.
As I read it, you have to have a mound to be shooting at. Which most likely means a fairly fixed location. Can they bait? My only concerns would be impact of numbers, unless there is some sort of quota. |
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| Mute/moot... their you go... or is it they're? |
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| ToddM - 10/16/2015 1:06 PM
My only concerns would be impact of numbers, unless there is some sort of quota.
Exactly. I really hate the thought of shining and gunning deer as much as the next guy, but if it doesn't change their harvest numbers, what's the difference?
All arguments of what is "sporting" and/or "ethical" are so relative and emotion-based that they don't hold any water.
If they can safely harvest deer at night and maintain the herd, then whatever, have at it. Personally, I don't feel it's safe, or easy to regulate, but I strongly believe personal preferences shouldn't play a role.
Also, totally agree that the DNR screwed up by allowing night-hunting for wolves. Came back to haunt them. |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | I think the biggest concern with this ruling is going to be all the extra wasted time spent by DNR wardens responding to the night shooting. Is it a legal or illegal shooter? I'll bet their phones will be busy.
I'm sure the poachers are licking their chops with this new opportunity. |
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